Ddavid from NC Posted February 26, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 196 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,343 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Share Posted February 26, 2009 There is a whole spectrum of belief and doctrine out there and there are definitely some wrongly held beliefs by well meaning people. Is there a difference between error and heresy? If so, how do you separate it? Is it the intent to intentionally distort as compared to ignorance? Help me out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 There is a whole spectrum of belief and doctrine out there and there are definitely some wrongly held beliefs by well meaning people. Is there a difference between error and heresy? If so, how do you separate it? Is it the intent to intentionally distort as compared to ignorance? Help me out... Heresy surrounds the essentials of the faith. It pertains to a perversion of the essential defining elements/doctrines that separate the Christian from a nonChristian. In addition, they tend to focus on perverting what the Bible teaches about God and His character. Pelagianism, Gnosticism, Tritheism, Adoptionism, Arianism are examples of heresies. We are all in "error" about something, as none of us corner the market on the Scripture. Errors that do not constitute heresy relate to issues like speaking in tongues, worshipping on Saturday or Sunday, timing of the rapture... these are things that are not essential to the faith and thus do not constitute heresy. Often heresy is used as a pejorative leveled against someone in nonessential matters and is used as "put down" and not as a legitimate response. However, there is a point where it is appropriate to use the term when someone is advancing a belief that is a direct assault on God's character or promotes a different means of salvation apart from the Biblical prescription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted February 27, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Good answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddavid from NC Posted February 27, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 196 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,343 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 There is a whole spectrum of belief and doctrine out there and there are definitely some wrongly held beliefs by well meaning people. Is there a difference between error and heresy? If so, how do you separate it? Is it the intent to intentionally distort as compared to ignorance? Help me out... Heresy surrounds the essentials of the faith. It pertains to a perversion of the essential defining elements/doctrines that separate the Christian from a nonChristian. In addition, they tend to focus on perverting what the Bible teaches about God and His character. Pelagianism, Gnosticism, Tritheism, Adoptionism, Arianism are examples of heresies. We are all in "error" about something, as none of us corner the market on the Scripture. Errors that do not constitute heresy relate to issues like speaking in tongues, worshipping on Saturday or Sunday, timing of the rapture... these are things that are not essential to the faith and thus do not constitute heresy. Often heresy is used as a pejorative leveled against someone in nonessential matters and is used as "put down" and not as a legitimate response. However, there is a point where it is appropriate to use the term when someone is advancing a belief that is a direct assault on God's character or promotes a different means of salvation apart from the Biblical prescription. Let me step into a minefield on this one. Would a sacramental understanding of the Lord's Supper count as heresy if they are wrong or the requirement of water baptism for salvation if they are wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowfromgod Posted February 27, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 376 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/03/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/30/1962 Share Posted February 27, 2009 paul i believe heard a man teaching the gospil wrong ( he wsnt doing it on purpose ) and i believe it says that paul taught him the truth so he could teach more perfectly i think intent has a lot to do with it for like now im sure i belive things that are not true but dont realize it ,,, but after im taught more perfectly i abandon the wrong way to embrace the right way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted February 27, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2009 There is a whole spectrum of belief and doctrine out there and there are definitely some wrongly held beliefs by well meaning people. Is there a difference between error and heresy? If so, how do you separate it? Is it the intent to intentionally distort as compared to ignorance? Help me out... Heresy surrounds the essentials of the faith. It pertains to a perversion of the essential defining elements/doctrines that separate the Christian from a nonChristian. In addition, they tend to focus on perverting what the Bible teaches about God and His character. Pelagianism, Gnosticism, Tritheism, Adoptionism, Arianism are examples of heresies. We are all in "error" about something, as none of us corner the market on the Scripture. Errors that do not constitute heresy relate to issues like speaking in tongues, worshipping on Saturday or Sunday, timing of the rapture... these are things that are not essential to the faith and thus do not constitute heresy. Often heresy is used as a pejorative leveled against someone in nonessential matters and is used as "put down" and not as a legitimate response. However, there is a point where it is appropriate to use the term when someone is advancing a belief that is a direct assault on God's character or promotes a different means of salvation apart from the Biblical prescription. Great answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted February 27, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2009 There is a whole spectrum of belief and doctrine out there and there are definitely some wrongly held beliefs by well meaning people. Is there a difference between error and heresy? If so, how do you separate it? Is it the intent to intentionally distort as compared to ignorance? Help me out... Heresy surrounds the essentials of the faith. It pertains to a perversion of the essential defining elements/doctrines that separate the Christian from a nonChristian. In addition, they tend to focus on perverting what the Bible teaches about God and His character. Pelagianism, Gnosticism, Tritheism, Adoptionism, Arianism are examples of heresies. We are all in "error" about something, as none of us corner the market on the Scripture. Errors that do not constitute heresy relate to issues like speaking in tongues, worshipping on Saturday or Sunday, timing of the rapture... these are things that are not essential to the faith and thus do not constitute heresy. Often heresy is used as a pejorative leveled against someone in nonessential matters and is used as "put down" and not as a legitimate response. However, there is a point where it is appropriate to use the term when someone is advancing a belief that is a direct assault on God's character or promotes a different means of salvation apart from the Biblical prescription. Let me step into a minefield on this one. Would a sacramental understanding of the Lord's Supper count as heresy if they are wrong or the requirement of water baptism for salvation if they are wrong? If someone adds or takes away from the gospel message itself, that would be heresy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrhealth Posted February 27, 2009 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 183 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/28/1962 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Actually you may find in realty that heresy is just when you speak out against an institution, many people have being called heretics for speaking the truth, or disageeing with the establishment, when it comes to man he just doesnt like to be told hes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted February 27, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Deviation from the first 7 truly Ecumenical councils of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted February 28, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted February 28, 2009 There is a whole spectrum of belief and doctrine out there and there are definitely some wrongly held beliefs by well meaning people. Is there a difference between error and heresy? If so, how do you separate it? Is it the intent to intentionally distort as compared to ignorance? Help me out... Heresy surrounds the essentials of the faith. It pertains to a perversion of the essential defining elements/doctrines that separate the Christian from a nonChristian. In addition, they tend to focus on perverting what the Bible teaches about God and His character. Pelagianism, Gnosticism, Tritheism, Adoptionism, Arianism are examples of heresies. We are all in "error" about something, as none of us corner the market on the Scripture. Errors that do not constitute heresy relate to issues like speaking in tongues, worshipping on Saturday or Sunday, timing of the rapture... these are things that are not essential to the faith and thus do not constitute heresy. Often heresy is used as a pejorative leveled against someone in nonessential matters and is used as "put down" and not as a legitimate response. However, there is a point where it is appropriate to use the term when someone is advancing a belief that is a direct assault on God's character or promotes a different means of salvation apart from the Biblical prescription. Let me step into a minefield on this one. Would a sacramental understanding of the Lord's Supper count as heresy if they are wrong or the requirement of water baptism for salvation if they are wrong? But a sacramental understanding of the Lord's supper was the belief for all Christians prior to the 1700's, even the original reformers including Luther held a sacramental understanding of the Lord's supper. So in that area you would have to say that all Christians were basically in heresy until the 1700's, which does not make much sense, particularly if you believe that God actually establishes a Church on the earth. You could make a much better case the other way on that issue since a non-sacramental belief about the Lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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