followerofjesus Posted July 2, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,013 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2004 Lawyers like Alan Dershowitz earn their lavish incomes by making certain that moral arguments are kept out of the picture. As Dershowitz instructs young lawyers, "So you want to do good. Don't we all. But when you became a lawyer, you have to define good differently than you did before." Obviously. http://ksky.com/weblogs/mohler/adate70100040.aspx#1271497 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJer Posted July 2, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/07/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2004 W/O God, how do we define "good"? There is no basis for a standard of what IS good, therefore what will be considered good w/o God will be subject to the whims of the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Called Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Right on BigJer! Our basis for good is from God. We woudn't know what good is except for God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orr v'emet Posted July 2, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,672 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2004 God is our basis for goodness. It doesn't exist without him. I do feel that people can live by a "moral standard" if you will that could be considered good. I guess then you have to look back to what that "moral standard" was founded upon which probably was rooted in the bible, soooo....I guess forget all that . No, goodness doesn't exist apart from God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Called Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Rambling a little, huh KMB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orr v'emet Posted July 2, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,672 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2004 Rambling a little, huh KMB? :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 by worldly standards a person can be good without God. i know some really good people who are athiests. but the problem is, human standards are subjective. what one person sees as good, the next person may see as horrid. and in any case, no matter how "good" we are, without God our goodness is as filthy as oilrags anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dan4Jesus Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I agree when I say that God is the basis for all good. Without God, or a Higher Power, who's to say that anything we do is necessarily "good" or "evil". Why can't we just go out and murder someone like the animals of the wild? We can't just base it on what "feels" right or wrong. There has to be an ultimate moral lawgiver (God) otherwise we have no basis for what is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell07 Posted July 7, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,296 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/07/1989 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Well said!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobTriez Posted July 7, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,478 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1972 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I think this sums it up..... Romans 8:5-8 5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. Pretty clear...... In HIM, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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