Questions for people who say Christians can't accept evolution

[MorningGlory]

Well, if you mean literally holding your breath....no, not a good plan!

That IS what I meant.

But perhaps Shiloh could try an experiment ... (j/k)

Tsk! Tsk! Being grumpy isn't going to promote common ground.

[Guest shiloh357]

I give darwinian evolution maybe 30 years before it is totally abandoned.

that is unless Jesus comes back first and all see his true glory, then they will be more worried about the fact they didn't repent when they had time.

Please don't hold your breath on Jesus return. People have been thinking it's going to be in their lifetime since ... well, since the disciples!

Plus, I'd like you (and I) to be around in 30 years, so we can see how many more (or less) people believe in evolution.

The mockers have always scoffed at the return of Jesus. According to Peter, even back then they misinterpreted the delay. Jesus' delay in returning is an act of mercy toward you. Jesus is allowing people like you time to repent. The gates will close eventually, but the delay in His return should not be misinterpreted as any slackness on His part to fulfill His promise.

Am I being labelled as a mocker?

Tsk, tsk, Shiloh, you should know (me) better than that!

No, but you make the same foolish argument they do.

[ConScience]

Tsk! Tsk! Being grumpy isn't going to promote common ground.

Not grumpy, just trying to prevent things from escalating to the point that the thread gets shut down (again) for being too contentious!

[MorningGlory]

Not grumpy, just trying to prevent things from escalating to the point that the thread gets shut down (again) for being too contentious!

Good thinking.....

[thechristian]

Just wanted to point out that science is a group of theories by man. These theories may be well though out and researched but in most cases they are simply fallible theories.

Here is food for thought, most theories that were "created" by man were already a part of biblical knowlege many centuries before mankind decided to prove them. Such as the fact that the world is round, with learned men who thought the world was flat, until the 15th Century, however they would have known such if they read Isaiah 40:22

Science was said to have made great strides to understanding our world when they discovered "gravity" (the invisible force that lets the world stay in its place in the universe) in 1650 however had they read Job 26:7 they would have known that already.

And in an effort to prove themselves right man has gone through extremes to prove Christianity wrong. Take for instance the "Piltdown Man" the scientific communities sole proof that we were at one time primates and that evolution was correct. Was actually a hoax by scientist that fooled even the scientific community for more than 40 years.

The bible is infallible Christians and what is true in the past is also true in the future. God created man in his image, and that is all folks!!!

[Mike Runk]

This argument always cracks me up because every one see this topic in Black and white, and there is a shred of grey area. Science and Christians don't have all the answers on the creation of man and how God created the universe and life. The bible says that he created the heavens and the earth it doesn't go explain how he did it. I'll give you an example.

Then God said, "Let lights appear in the sky to separate the day from the night. Let them mark off the seasons, days, and years. Let these lights in the sky Shine down on the earth." and that is what happen. God made two great lights the larger one to govern the day, and the smaller one to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set these lights in the sky to light the earth, to govern the day and night, and to separate the light from the darknass. And God saw that it was good. and evening passed and morning came, marking the fourth day.

Genesis 14-19

Now if you read that it doesn't explain how he did it only that he did it. Now are a few reason why the bible doesn't give us a detailed account of how God created everything. The first reason is because it would fill up volumes and volumes of books. It wasn't important for use to know how he did it but that he did it. Now don't get me wrong that doesn't mean science isn't important because it is. It was more important to make use understand that God created the universe. The second reason is because all that knowledge would beyond are understanding, even today if we had all that info we still wouldn't understand it. The third reason is that he knew what we would do with that information. I mean look at the world around use, were destroying this world little by little. We use science to build weapons to wage war. Now imagin if we had all the knowledge of the universe, can you imagin what we would do with that knowledge, we would use it for death and destruction.

Now does man come from an ape, probably not. However that doesn't mean that we didn't evolve from something. The bible says that God created man in his own image, it doesn't say how he did it. There could have been a process and from God's point of view, the process didn't matter because man was the finally conclussion of the very thing he was trying to create.

Genesis gives use the basics to understand that God created the world but it doesn't tell use everything and for the reasons I have all ready given. The fact is that science and christians need to work together to find the answers and stop fighting with one another on the subject of creation. I can honestly say that I don't know how God created the universe only that he did. I believe the answer can be found in science but any and all discoverys are a gift from God.

[MorningGlory]

Now does man come from an ape, probably not. However that doesn't mean that we didn't evolve from something. The bible says that God created man in his own image, it doesn't say how he did it. There could have been a process and from God's point of view, the process didn't matter because man was the finally conclussion of the very thing he was trying to create.

The Bible tells us, in Genesis, exactly how God created man. He reached down and molded man from the dust of the ground and breathed life into him; that man was created in His image. Nowhere does it say he allowed apes to evolve into humans.

[ConScience]

Now does man come from an ape, probably not. However that doesn't mean that we didn't evolve from something. The bible says that God created man in his own image, it doesn't say how he did it. There could have been a process and from God's point of view, the process didn't matter because man was the finally conclussion of the very thing he was trying to create.

The Bible tells us, in Genesis, exactly how God created man. He reached down and molded man from the dust of the ground and breathed life into him; that man was created in His image. Nowhere does it say he allowed apes to evolve into humans.

Good argument, GM.

Then problem is that if you take that approach ("the bible doesn't say it, so it can't be true"), then you inevitably have to reject Copernicus' theory.

Well, you don't HAVE to, but it would be logically consistent.

Edited October 26, 2009 by ConScience

[ConScience]

Just wanted to point out that science is a group of theories by man. These theories may be well though out and researched but in most cases they are simply fallible theories.

Here is food for thought, most theories that were "created" by man were already a part of biblical knowlege many centuries before mankind decided to prove them. Such as the fact that the world is round, with learned men who thought the world was flat, until the 15th Century, however they would have known such if they read Isaiah 40:22

Science was said to have made great strides to understanding our world when they discovered "gravity" (the invisible force that lets the world stay in its place in the universe) in 1650 however had they read Job 26:7 they would have known that already.

And in an effort to prove themselves right man has gone through extremes to prove Christianity wrong. Take for instance the "Piltdown Man" the scientific communities sole proof that we were at one time primates and that evolution was correct. Was actually a hoax by scientist that fooled even the scientific community for more than 40 years.

The bible is infallible Christians and what is true in the past is also true in the future. God created man in his image, and that is all folks!!!

Fallible theories: the sun is the center of the solar system was the object of this criticism, back in the day. The only reason to accept it is that it simplifies the mathematics (Occam's razor, and all that).

[spiritman]

EVOLUTION THE BIG FAT