Socialism's not in the Bible

[~candice~]

I'm busy at work, but have no fear, I'll get back to this thread .

[Matthitjah]

I'm busy at work, but have no fear, I'll get back to this thread .

I'm sure that you will.

Make a clear case for Christ stating that the Government, or in His case Rome, should be in charge of our giving.

Ya know I Love ya in Christ dear sis.

Peace,

Dave

[missjenny]

So, you would be ok if all of our socialistic programs were ended then?? The fire department comes out to everyones home if you need them...as no one needs insurance if their house catches on fire because it is paid for by taxes and volunteers. The police will enforce the law and come out to your house and protect you without any insurance on your part as well. If a wild animal gets into your garage, you can call animal control without any charge. Now, how about the street and sidewalk in front of your house...does the typical citizen have to have insurance to make sure they are kept up, pot-holes filled and the street cleaned on a regular basis?

Now, don't get me started on the Military...talk about socialism. When you are in the military you and your family get healthcare, housing and many other things. My father has been retired since '73 and still gets the healthcare and other benefits.

What is a sin is watching people suffer and die because of no healthcare...when there are already so many other programs to take care of all of our other needs, so why not this very important 'life and death' one???

"He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love mercy and to walk humbly before your God?" Micah 6:8

Loving your neighbor as yourself is God's greatest commandment...and who is your neighbor? If you see someone in need and pass by, how is this pleasing to God?? "If you know to do good and do it not, to you it is sin."

Christ's love should compel us to action on behalf of those who need the basics of life....so, if you do not think a national healthcare system would be good, then contribute to the free-clinics around you. Support them and their efforts, so families have basic healthcare...and spread the word about them...and churches should be supporting them if they are not going to support a bigger initiative.

And it is funny to me, that many that are against abortion don't support what is needed for the life of the child and its family after they are born. Wouldn't pro-life mean all of a persons life, not just that they "get born"?? That a yr, 2 yrs, 3 yrs after they are born that they and their very important caretakers have the basics?? I just don't get it... It all sounds incongruent to me.

We are either for life or not.

[Guest shiloh357]

So, you would be ok if all of our socialistic programs were ended then?? The fire department comes out to everyones home if you need them...as no one needs insurance if their house catches on fire because it is paid for by taxes and volunteers. The police will enforce the law and come out to your house and protect you without any insurance on your part as well. If a wild animal gets into your garage, you can call animal control without any charge. Now, how about the street and sidewalk in front of your house...does the typical citizen have to have insurance to make sure they are kept up, pot-holes filled and the street cleaned on a regular basis?

Now, don't get me started on the Military...talk about socialism. When you are in the military you and your family get healthcare, housing and many other things. My father has been retired since '73 and still gets the healthcare and other benefits.

What is a sin is watching people suffer and die because of no healthcare...when there are already so many other programs to take care of all of our other needs, so why not this very important 'life and death' one???

"He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love mercy and to walk humbly before your God?" Micah 6:8

Loving your neighbor as yourself is God's greatest commandment...and who is your neighbor? If you see someone in need and pass by, how is this pleasing to God?? "If you know to do good and do it not, to you it is sin."

Christ's love should compel us to action on behalf of those who need the basics of life....so, if you do not think a national healthcare system would be good, then contribute to the free-clinics around you. Support them and their efforts, so families have basic healthcare...and spread the word about them...and churches should be supporting them if they are not going to support a bigger initiative.

And it is funny to me, that many that are against abortion don't support what is needed for the life of the child and its family after they are born. Wouldn't pro-life mean all of a persons life, not just that they "get born"?? That a yr, 2 yrs, 3 yrs after they are born that they and their very important caretakers have the basics?? I just don't get it... It all sounds incongruent to me.

We are either for life or not.

There is a stark difference between social programs and socialism.

[~candice~]

I'm busy at work, but have no fear, I'll get back to this thread .

I'm sure that you will.

Make a clear case for Christ stating that the Government, or in His case Rome, should be in charge of our giving.

Ya know I Love ya in Christ dear sis.

Peace,

Dave

Hi Dave

You are a much loved brother in Christ and I am thankful for your input into my life.

But that isn't going to be the argument I would make. The ideal, which is the command of the bible, is charity from the heart .

But don't forget that we live under a government system completely different from Rome at the time of Christ, or even from Israel as a theocracy. We also live in a time where so many are not in the church, and hearts have been darkened (and wallets snapped shut) through sin and greed.

My argument would not be that Christ's teaching was anything other than charity from a cheerful heart, but that this society has decayed to a point where this giving doesn't support GENUINE need, and that the government meets this need (in an incredibly inefficient and beaucratic way ) because man has abdicated his responsibility.

Perhaps though, it would be meritious to look at the tithing system of the Israelites while under the theocratic reign. Those tithes were not voluntary, and they did take a portion of it to look after "social needs" for want of a better word.

Let me see if I can't find Omegaman's bible study on the topic of tithes to make my point.

That's all the fodder I have time for before class .

Blessings Dave,

Andy

[Guest shiloh357]

Another 'taxation is equal to stealing' thread? Yippie .

Sis,

Most of us do not have a problem with taxation when it comes to the normal function of the Government. It's when it becomes confiscatory and then is used to redistribute wealth that it becomes stealing.

Peace,

Dave

Most taxation is confiscatory. The government is not stealing from you. It is you the people through your elected officials who set up this taxation system, the government is taking (not stealing) according to those policies.

Not is not confiscatory.

When it becomes confiscatory is when the government says, "you are making too much money. We should decide how much you make." When the government steps in and decides how much money you should make and decides for you how much of what you earn is allowable for you to enjoy, THEN it becomes confiscatory.

Socialism is the kiss of death to rights of individuals to have a dream, realize that dream and fully enjoy the fruit of it.

Why work harder if all you get is more responsibility at the same rate of pay? Why seek advancement in your job if there is nothing to be gained, no reward for doing your best? Socialism kills incentive and progress.

[Matthitjah]

So, you would be ok if all of our socialistic programs were ended then?? The fire department comes out to everyones home if you need them...as no one needs insurance if their house catches on fire because it is paid for by taxes and volunteers. The police will enforce the law and come out to your house and protect you without any insurance on your part as well. If a wild animal gets into your garage, you can call animal control without any charge. Now, how about the street and sidewalk in front of your house...does the typical citizen have to have insurance to make sure they are kept up, pot-holes filled and the street cleaned on a regular basis?

Now, don't get me started on the Military...talk about socialism. When you are in the military you and your family get healthcare, housing and many other things. My father has been retired since '73 and still gets the healthcare and other benefits.

What is a sin is watching people suffer and die because of no healthcare...when there are already so many other programs to take care of all of our other needs, so why not this very important 'life and death' one???

"He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love mercy and to walk humbly before your God?" Micah 6:8

Loving your neighbor as yourself is God's greatest commandment...and who is your neighbor? If you see someone in need and pass by, how is this pleasing to God?? "If you know to do good and do it not, to you it is sin."

Christ's love should compel us to action on behalf of those who need the basics of life....so, if you do not think a national healthcare system would be good, then contribute to the free-clinics around you. Support them and their efforts, so families have basic healthcare...and spread the word about them...and churches should be supporting them if they are not going to support a bigger initiative.

And it is funny to me, that many that are against abortion don't support what is needed for the life of the child and its family after they are born. Wouldn't pro-life mean all of a persons life, not just that they "get born"?? That a yr, 2 yrs, 3 yrs after they are born that they and their very important caretakers have the basics?? I just don't get it... It all sounds incongruent to me.

We are either for life or not.

Bless you sister,

Removing the Fire Department and essential services is not what has been advocated nor implied in the article.

It's actually none of your business how anyone decides to give or not to give in regards towards their giving to God.

It's also up the individual how he decides or decides not to be charitable. That's the point of the commentary. It's between the individual believer and God, much like our relationship with Him. It's manifest through the Corporate body as well.

Either way, the Government has no business delegating what to do with my charitable giving and the redistribution of wealth in a free society and republic. It's the heart fo the issue raging in our Nation right now. Will we remain a Free Republic or will we be a Statist republic?

At the heart of the issue is a bad interpretation of Christianity. It's not surprising because it is the Liberation Theology that our President sat under for 20 plus years.

You should go back and research a man named George Whitefield. You will find that this Nation has stood at the face of this Precipice before. Men who Loved the Lord and His Gospel faced heavy persecution then too.

Peace,

Dave

[Guest shiloh357]

Perhaps though, it would be meritious to look at the tithing system of the Israelites while under the theocratic reign. Those tithes were not voluntary, and they did take a portion of it to look after "social needs" for want of a better word.

Israel did not operate under a socialistic government. In ancient Israel, you enjoyed the fruit of your own labor on your own personally and privatelly owned property. The tithing system was not socialism, although it did provide for the widows, and the poor who had no one to care for them. Otherwise, you took care of your own.

[~candice~]

I should point out quickly that I am not in favour of redistribution of the wealth to anyone other than those in genuine need... which means I am likely to agree with you in your opposition of most socialised policies... however I will adamantly, loudly, vehemently, with bells and whistles, oppose the removal of socialised government services which use tax revenue to meet the needs of the GENUINELY needy, who are not being looked after through charitable giving.

[Matthitjah]

Grce to you dear sister,

My argument would not be that Christ's teaching was anything other than charity from a cheerful heart, but that this society has decayed to a point where this giving cannot and doesn't support GENUINE need, and that the government meets this need (in an incredibly inefficient and beaucratic way ) because man has abdicated his responsibility.

Two wrongs do not a right make. (I just Love Yoda)

The honest to Gods Truth about the Tithe in the New Testament is this;

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