Matthitjah Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2010 Quote onenewsnow,com; Sorry, Mr. President: Socialism's not in the Bible John Aman - Guest Columnist - 5/22/2010 5:00:00 AM Having placed 50 percent of America's economy under government control, the Obama administration is now angling for a tighter grip on the financial sector. The operative word is "fairness," which is shorthand for Obama's famous campaign promise to "spread the wealth around." When critics said that this remark to "Joe the Plumber" displayed Obama's socialist leanings, Obama justified it by citing Scripture: "My Bible tells me there is nothing wrong with helping other people," said then-Sen. Obama. "That we want to treat others like we want to be treated. That I am my brother's keeper, and I am my sister's keeper. I believe that." But Obama, who once dismissed the Bible's relevance to politics, saying, "People haven't been reading their Bibles lately," may need to go reread his Engels. Co-author with Karl Marx of The Communist Manifesto, Friedrich Engels knew better than Obama about collectivism's clash with Christianity, stating, "...if some few passages of the Bible may be favourable to Communism, the general spirit of its doctrines is, nevertheless, totally opposed to it ...." Despite Engels and Marx (who dismissed religion as the "opium of the people"), Obama and many others still manage to see socialism in the Bible. They point to the early church which, at first glance, seems like a model socialist community. The New Testament reports that these first believers "had all things in common" (Acts 4:32) and "all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need" (Acts 4:34-35). But unlike socialism, the sharing was voluntary, not coerced, and the money was given not to the state, but the church. As Southern Baptist leader Richard Land puts it on the new Coral Ridge Ministries documentary, Socialism: A Clear and Present Danger, "It's one thing for you to give out of compassion to someone who's less fortunate. It's an entirely different thing for the government to confiscate your property and give it to someone else." (Part 2 of the documentary airs Sunday, May 23, nationwide on The Coral Ridge Hour.) While the Bible asserts property rights and the rights of inheritance, socialism assaults them. Marx and Engels put the "abolition of property" first in a ten-step program for implementing communism. That's not exactly a Christian thing to do. The eighth commandment, "You shall not steal" (Exodus 20:15) applies every bit as much to the men and women who hold the reins of political power as it does to everyone else. So does the 10th commandment, "You shall not covet" (Exodus 20:17). Coveting, or envy, is a powerful driver of socialism, which is in a perpetual snit that some people have more than others. So when President Obama castigates "Fats Cats" on Wall Street, decries "economic inequality," and warns, as he did in his 2009 budget statement that a "disproportionate share of the nation's wealth has been accumulated by the very wealthy," he stokes a destructive impulse that is condemned by Scripture. Socialism also runs afoul of the first commandment, "You shall have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3). Socialist governments seek to play God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hr.jr. Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 615 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/21/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2010 Socialism is most definitely not in the Bible. "Thou Shalt not steal" in and of itsself drives a death nail in the institution of socialism. Iy is good to see the Ten commandments being applied correctly. Most Americans forget that this nation has tried socialism already and it miserably failed. Jamestown was founded to be a communal, socialist colony. Land was owned jointly and work was done jointly. When they started starving to death, Smith granted private ownership of lands where each family did its own work. The "Starving time" suddenly ended. Socialism has already been tried In American and it miserably failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2010 Another 'taxation is equal to stealing' thread? Yippie . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 Another 'taxation is equal to stealing' thread? Yippie . Sis, Most of us do not have a problem with taxation when it comes to the normal function of the Government. It's when it becomes confiscatory and then is used to redistribute wealth that it becomes stealing. Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2010 Another 'taxation is equal to stealing' thread? Yippie . Sis, Most of us do not have a problem with taxation when it comes to the normal function of the Government. It's when it becomes confiscatory and then is used to redistribute wealth that it becomes stealing. Peace, Dave Most taxation is confiscatory. The government is not stealing from you. It is you the people through your elected officials who set up this taxation system, the government is taking (not stealing) according to those policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 Another 'taxation is equal to stealing' thread? Yippie . Sis, Most of us do not have a problem with taxation when it comes to the normal function of the Government. It's when it becomes confiscatory and then is used to redistribute wealth that it becomes stealing. Peace, Dave Most taxation is confiscatory. The government is not stealing from you. It is you the people through your elected officials who set up this taxation system, the government is taking (not stealing) according to those policies. Actually, no, the current folks in charge of the Legislative and Adminsitrative roles in our Government are actually staekling from us and giving it to folks who haven't earned it. That's why I said, Redistributing Wealth. That's also what the commentary very clearly states. Christian Charity comes from the heart of the individual believer and through the Corporate Body, not the Redistributive efforts of the Government no matter how well meaning those policies are. When the Government takes wealth through confiscatoy taxation and poolicies that are similar and redistributes it to who it feels is the supposed down trodden. It commits theft and violates God's Commandments. Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Everybody knows that God is a capitalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 then again, had the Church been doing it's job, the government would have had no need to step in and rob the "rich" to give to the "poor". (beyond the quotation marks, let me expound to say that i do not believe it is the rich in this country who are giving to the poor. we have no robin hood here!) Who say's the Church hasn't been doing it's job. Did you not hear that one of the first charities into Haiti and previously Indonesia was Samaritans Purse? That's sounds mighty accusatory of the Church dear one and that's not our job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 Everybody knows that God is a capitalist. That's not what was advocated nor has it been said in this article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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