Burning_Ember Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,009 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 100 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2010 The problem being that if Republicans don't find some middle ground to actually get things done, then they won't accomplish anything, rather than just trying to prevent the Democrats from doing so. Good, then they will at least prevent further damage. Doing nothing when the country is wounded due to policies instituted purely for political reasons causes further damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah 6:8 Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 426 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,633 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 222 Days Won: 13 Joined: 03/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1978 Share Posted November 5, 2010 The problem being that if Republicans don't find some middle ground to actually get things done, then they won't accomplish anything, rather than just trying to prevent the Democrats from doing so. Good, then they will at least prevent further damage. Doing nothing when the country is wounded due to policies instituted purely for political reasons causes further damage. Well stopping further damage is something, and reversing damage is also something. Both of which are going to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah 6:8 Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 426 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,633 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 222 Days Won: 13 Joined: 03/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1978 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Besides since when did Democrats care about middle ground? The Forced things on us we did not want, causing damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning_Ember Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,009 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 100 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2010 The problem being that if Republicans don't find some middle ground to actually get things done, then they won't accomplish anything, rather than just trying to prevent the Democrats from doing so. Good, then they will at least prevent further damage. Doing nothing when the country is wounded due to policies instituted purely for political reasons causes further damage. Well stopping further damage is something, and reversing damage is also something. Both of which are going to be done. Democrats want to balance the budget, and part of that involves a slight increase in taxes for people making more than $250K a year, and possibly to inject money into the economy. They don't wish to cut medicare, the military, or unemployment benefits. Is that somehow incredibly damaging to the country? Republicans wish to cut taxes and cut spending on entitlement programs. Historically, spending doesn't end up getting cut in any meaningful way. They will not be able to accomplish any major policy points only having control of the house. Several Republicans have stated that they want Obama impeached. Beohner is now the new Speaker of the house, being known for having to apologize for handing out checks from The Tobacco Industry right before a vote on Tobacco subsidies. Democrats won't pass anything meaningful due to Republican control of the house. Wounds America has from previous policies will be left open to fester with minimal treatment, and that is all that will happen. The economy will slowly recover left to its own devices, not that it will get anything in the way of help. I'm normally very optimistic, but The American Legislative System has become built around stopping progress of any kind in any direction. Now instead having a chance to move in any direction, there will be absolute gridlock instead of anyone doing something remotely helpful for the country, because politics is more important than helping the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah 6:8 Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 426 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,633 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 222 Days Won: 13 Joined: 03/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1978 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Democrats want to balance the budget By spending more? How does this work mathematically? It does not! You can not get out of a hole by digging it deeper. and part of that involves a slight increase in taxes for people making more than $250K a year, and possibly to inject money into the economy. First of all more money is not the problem. I heard a guy who said he was bankrupt because he lost 2/3 of his income. He was making 300,000 a year. He was spending 350k a year. If you spend more then you make, making more money will not fix the problem. Since the income tax was instituted government spending has increased over 1000% More taxes does not help. Also punishing anyone that makes over 250k/ year for there success will hurt the economy. How does taking money from the employers help the economy? It does not. Most people that make around 250k/year are small business owners. Taxing them more will cause them to either cut wages, cut jobs, or increase prices on he product and services they provide Damaging there economy. The government does not need more money. It needs to stop spending what it does not have. You see thats part of our problem. The government taxes us, gives the money to entitlements, and to pay off the interest on the debt we owe, and when we need a new highway, thy borrow more money in the form of bonds to fix the highway. People do the same thing here. They borrow money to pay off debt. People cannot print money but, instead they use credit cards to sink them into a hole. So don't blame or steal from the hard working people that made a little bit of money! "We have so many people who can't see a fat man standing besides a thin one with out coming to the the conclusion the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the skinny one" Ronald Regan They don't wish to cut medicare, the military, or unemployment benefits. Is that somehow incredibly damaging to the country? They don't want to cut Medicare, They have not cut the military this time around but this is a historic change. They definitely do not want to cut unemployment since many of them just got fired. Republicans wish to cut taxes and cut spending on entitlement programs. Historically, spending doesn't end up getting cut in any meaningful way. They will not be able to accomplish any major policy points only having control of the house. Several Republicans have stated that they want Obama impeached. Beohner is now the new Speaker of the house, being known for having to apologize for handing out checks from The Tobacco Industry right before a vote on Tobacco subsidies. Democrats won't pass anything meaningful due to Republican control of the house. Yes historically spending does not end up getting cut, but one can hope. The democrats have not wanted to cut spending but increase it and then tax the rich to pay for it. Also both parties are guilty of taking money from special interest groups all the time. So enough with you calling the pot black, sir kettle. Wounds America has from previous policies will be left open to fester with minimal treatment, and that is all that will happen. The economy will slowly recover left to its own devices, not that it will get anything in the way of help. Your right, it will recover left to its own devices because the government has never been able to "Fix" the economy. The great depression was not fixed by the government it was fixed by the war effort! The government has been more of a hindrance to the economy, bailing out big banks that failed, and then having them just pay there CEOs come on, the stimulus package has been a horrible failure and not done anything. So maybe its better if we did not get any "Help" from the government. Also the "Obama Care" plan hurt us financially, did not really address many of the real issues,and was one step closer to full government control. This was also shoved down our throat with us getting a say in it and with out many even getting a chance to read the bill to find out what it really said. The AMERICAN people, not the Canadian, decided this was to much. Even the independents thought this was over the top and damaging, and that is why we "threw the bums out" I'm normally very optimistic, but The American Legislative System has become built around stopping progress of any kind in any direction. Now instead having a chance to move in any direction, there will be absolute gridlock instead of anyone doing something remotely helpful for the country, because politics is more important than helping the country. Define progress. Your a leftest, we know so your idea of "progress" is socialism or communism with the government ruling our lives and taking our money and spending it how it sees fit. Because we are to stupid to know how to run our lives by our selves. This is the mindset of many of the Democrats in Washington. However I like what C.S. Lewis says progress is... We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place where you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man. C.S.Lewis I know your just upset the balance of power shifted to those that oppose your beliefs. But that is just fine for you. You do not live in, nor are you a citizen nor have you ever been a citizen of this country. You do not have to deal with it like we do. So since your so concerned about MY country, then why don't you move to America, become a citizen and do something about it.!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2010 The problem being that if Republicans don't find some middle ground to actually get things done, then they won't accomplish anything, rather than just trying to prevent the Democrats from doing so. Good, then they will at least prevent further damage. Doing nothing when the country is wounded due to policies instituted purely for political reasons causes further damage. Well stopping further damage is something, and reversing damage is also something. Both of which are going to be done. Democrats want to balance the budget, and part of that involves a slight increase in taxes for people making more than $250K a year, and possibly to inject money into the economy. They don't wish to cut medicare, the military, or unemployment benefits. Is that somehow incredibly damaging to the country? Republicans wish to cut taxes and cut spending on entitlement programs. Historically, spending doesn't end up getting cut in any meaningful way. They will not be able to accomplish any major policy points only having control of the house. Several Republicans have stated that they want Obama impeached. Beohner is now the new Speaker of the house, being known for having to apologize for handing out checks from The Tobacco Industry right before a vote on Tobacco subsidies. Democrats won't pass anything meaningful due to Republican control of the house. Wounds America has from previous policies will be left open to fester with minimal treatment, and that is all that will happen. The economy will slowly recover left to its own devices, not that it will get anything in the way of help. I'm normally very optimistic, but The American Legislative System has become built around stopping progress of any kind in any direction. Now instead having a chance to move in any direction, there will be absolute gridlock instead of anyone doing something remotely helpful for the country, because politics is more important than helping the country. Yes, I believe that San Fran Gran Nan believed some of the exact same things and enacted Progressive policies to that end and now she's F-I-R-E-D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Doing nothing when the country is wounded due to policies instituted purely for political reasons causes further damage. Choice A - dig the hole further. Choice B - prevent the hole from being dug further Why would you choose Choice A? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2010 Doing nothing when the country is wounded due to policies instituted purely for political reasons causes further damage. Choice A - dig the hole further. Choice B - prevent the hole from being dug further Why would you choose Choice A? Sometimes when your so deep in the hole you can't see the top nor remember how you got there you just might think your only way out is to keep digging to the other side of the world. The only problem is that China's over there and they are communist's. I wonder if folks who agree with this stuff run their private lives like that? do they write checks when there's no money in their account? Do they drive their children into debt to pay for their lifestyle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2010 Doing nothing when the country is wounded due to policies instituted purely for political reasons causes further damage. Choice A - dig the hole further. Choice B - prevent the hole from being dug further Why would you choose Choice A? Sometimes when your so deep in the hole you can't see the top nor remember how you got there you just might think your only way out is to keep digging to the other side of the world. The only problem is that China's over there and they are communist's. Arthur Durnan Replies - The Obama Agenda is long dead now, only in need of burial. 2012 will (thankfully) see major GOP contenders (1) Mike Huckabee; (2) Mitt Romney; (3) Sarah Palin rise to the wonderful occasion in the interests, quite correctly, of social & political progress. May God speed the moment! I wonder if folks who agree with this stuff run their private lives like that? do they write checks when there's no money in their account? Do they drive their children into debt to pay for their lifestyle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted November 5, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2010 Arthur, There's a reason folks salt the earth when they kill something evil. Don't think for one minute any of this stuff is dead. Take a look around and see if you can't see what's happening in the U.N. this very weekend with America and Human Rights. These same people are now going the International route to accomplish their purposes and Obama hasn't been the least bit contrite. He's not through with this agenda. He will simply regulate it through the ABC soup of regulatory commissions in Washington, D.C. The New Congress needs to be ever vigilant and pour salt all over this agenda until it's dreaded roots are exposed and destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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