Fez Posted March 10, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Good grief! If you want tangible evidence of God just pick up a bible! This is circular reasoning. You need tangible evidence before you can believe the Bible. God requires faith. There is no way to have tangible evidence of Him. If God had a tangible evidence, then you would not be free to choose Him or reject Him. I believe this now and I believed that when I was a Christian. What would not be circular reasoning? I dunno. You got me! ummm....square reasoning? Lot of people I know use obtuse reasoning? Seriously though, of course you are right. Viole? Tangible evidence besides the bible? Follow these steps. 1 Get up 2 Walk outside 3 Look up at the sky You are moving, breathing, seeing, and taking in His creation. There's four tangible reasons alone.... Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldEnglishSheepdog Posted March 10, 2011 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 844 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 118 Days Won: 11 Joined: 12/23/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2011 I dunno. You got me! ummm....square reasoning? Lot of people I know use obtuse reasoning? Seriously though, of course you are right. Viole? Tangible evidence besides the bible? Follow these steps. 1 Get up 2 Walk outside 3 Look up at the sky You are moving, breathing, seeing, and taking in His creation. There's four tangible reasons alone.... Blessings Todd Friel in a debate mentioned the understanding that life demonstrated a Creator was the big ol' cosmic "Duh!" I thought that description was pretty apt. The point I was going to make is that the Bible is not circular reasoning. God told us things in advance so that we could see the fulfillment of prophesy, Jesus' life, death and resurrection are historical reality, and the wisdom of the Bible permits the experienced reality of God by the reading. Not only that but it permits a worldview that makes sense of logic and scientific investigation. Without the Bible, there is only circular reasoning, but using the Bible everything works together as a cogent whole. By contrast, everything else is circular reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUVNCHRIST Posted March 10, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 393 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 24 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/22/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/05/1959 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Good grief! If you want tangible evidence of God just pick up a bible! This is circular reasoning. You need tangible evidence before you can believe the Bible. God requires faith. There is no way to have tangible evidence of Him. If God had a tangible evidence, then you would not be free to choose Him or reject Him. I believe this now and I believed that when I was a Christian. circular reasoning... Tangible evidence of God.... YOU ARE ALIVE!!!! We are free to choose Him with or with out tangible evidence. "I believe this now and I believed that when I was a Christian." past tense was aren't you still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted March 10, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I dunno. You got me! ummm....square reasoning? Lot of people I know use obtuse reasoning? Seriously though, of course you are right. Viole? Tangible evidence besides the bible? Follow these steps. 1 Get up 2 Walk outside 3 Look up at the sky You are moving, breathing, seeing, and taking in His creation. There's four tangible reasons alone.... Blessings Todd Friel in a debate mentioned the understanding that life demonstrated a Creator was the big ol' cosmic "Duh!" I thought that description was pretty apt. The point I was going to make is that the Bible is not circular reasoning. God told us things in advance so that we could see the fulfillment of prophesy, Jesus' life, death and resurrection are historical reality, and the wisdom of the Bible permits the experienced reality of God by the reading. Not only that but it permits a worldview that makes sense of logic and scientific investigation. Without the Bible, there is only circular reasoning, but using the Bible everything works together as a cogent whole. By contrast, everything else is circular reasoning. As much as I hesitate to question your statement (I am certain that "others" will anyway), explain this to me I stand on the bridge down the road from my house. Underneath me, in the water is a large crocodile (they are evident everywhere). I decide to jump, knowing full well that I will in all probabilty be attacked and eaten. There is nothing circular about this reasoning that I can see (or is this just a decision taken without reason?). Can any decison we take be taken without reasoning first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldEnglishSheepdog Posted March 10, 2011 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 844 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 118 Days Won: 11 Joined: 12/23/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2011 I dunno. You got me! ummm....square reasoning? Lot of people I know use obtuse reasoning? Seriously though, of course you are right. Viole? Tangible evidence besides the bible? Follow these steps. 1 Get up 2 Walk outside 3 Look up at the sky You are moving, breathing, seeing, and taking in His creation. There's four tangible reasons alone.... Blessings Todd Friel in a debate mentioned the understanding that life demonstrated a Creator was the big ol' cosmic "Duh!" I thought that description was pretty apt. The point I was going to make is that the Bible is not circular reasoning. God told us things in advance so that we could see the fulfillment of prophesy, Jesus' life, death and resurrection are historical reality, and the wisdom of the Bible permits the experienced reality of God by the reading. Not only that but it permits a worldview that makes sense of logic and scientific investigation. Without the Bible, there is only circular reasoning, but using the Bible everything works together as a cogent whole. By contrast, everything else is circular reasoning. As much as I hesitate to question your statement (I am certain that "others" will anyway), explain this to me I stand on the bridge down the road from my house. Underneath me, in the water is a large crocodile (they are evident everywhere). I decide to jump, knowing full well that I will in all probabilty be attacked and eaten. There is nothing circular about this reasoning that I can see (or is this just a decision taken without reason?). Can any decison we take be taken without reasoning first? Sorry, I don't really follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted March 11, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,322 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,529 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Good grief! If you want tangible evidence of God just pick up a bible! This is circular reasoning. You need tangible evidence before you can believe the Bible. God requires faith. There is no way to have tangible evidence of Him. If God had a tangible evidence, then you would not be free to choose Him or reject Him. I believe this now and I believed that when I was a Christian. What would not be circular reasoning? It is interesting that we find PI in the circle (a fat boys interest anyway just kidding) it is the relationship of the diameter of the circle to its circumfrance... So far PI has not repeated or come out... circular reasoning must have more to it than meets the eye! Thus the wheel within the wheel in Ezekiel demonstrating God's relationship with us in the eternities each circle an eternity and eternities outside of that making the unbounded eternities of plausibilities as Christ said My Father can do anything! So grab your socks family you ain't seen nothing yet- compared to what is coming!!! Love Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionysiou Posted March 11, 2011 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 68 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/08/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11, 2011 Good grief! If you want tangible evidence of God just pick up a bible! This is circular reasoning. You need tangible evidence before you can believe the Bible. God requires faith. There is no way to have tangible evidence of Him. If God had a tangible evidence, then you would not be free to choose Him or reject Him. I believe this now and I believed that when I was a Christian. circular reasoning... Tangible evidence of God.... YOU ARE ALIVE!!!! We are free to choose Him with or with out tangible evidence. "I believe this now and I believed that when I was a Christian." past tense was aren't you still? Going by that logic i could believe in the pink unicorn who lives in my backyard. Anyone can choose to believe anything they want, no matter how absurd. Being alive is not evidence of God, not when there are thousands of alternate explanations. If God was tangible their wouldn't be a need for faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted March 11, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,322 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,529 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Good grief! If you want tangible evidence of God just pick up a bible! This is circular reasoning. You need tangible evidence before you can believe the Bible. God requires faith. There is no way to have tangible evidence of Him. If God had a tangible evidence, then you would not be free to choose Him or reject Him. I believe this now and I believed that when I was a Christian. circular reasoning... Tangible evidence of God.... YOU ARE ALIVE!!!! We are free to choose Him with or with out tangible evidence. "I believe this now and I believed that when I was a Christian." past tense was aren't you still? tan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkins Posted March 11, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/25/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11, 2011 well as for me i believed there was a creator but i had no idea that i could ever know him on a " face to face" manner. i always had a very analytical and show me first then I'll believe mindset. God knew that and what it would take to get my attention and one day completely unexpected i had a "road to Damascus experience" where the lord revealed himself to me and i am so grateful for him doing that. Congrats then. But still I feel that people here in these forums have a strong "no others can be better than me" notion, so mind your words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted March 11, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,322 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,529 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted March 11, 2011 well as for me i believed there was a creator but i had no idea that i could ever know him on a " face to face" manner. i always had a very analytical and show me first then I'll believe mindset. God knew that and what it would take to get my attention and one day completely unexpected i had a "road to Damascus experience" where the lord revealed himself to me and i am so grateful for him doing that. Congrats then. But still I feel that people here in these forums have a strong "no others can be better than me" notion, so mind your words. You mean there's sinners here whoa!!! Love Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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