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[Guest yod]

....and how much tax is enough?

In economics and liberty, I say greed is better than murder and theft. Someone cheating you badly is better than someone sticking a gun to your head.

Therefore, even at it's most extreme, Capitalism is still better than Socialism or Communism or (non-benevolent) Monarchy or Dictatorship because it gives every person an opportunity to succeed according to their labor and ingenuity. Greed won't be stopped by legislation or even a change of government towards socialism, communism, monarch, or dictatorship. Socialist dictators and fascist totalitarians always find a way to remain greedy at the expense of the people who all are taxed "fairly" (as defined by the government)

When Bill Gates got "greedy" he produced an economy in the Seattle area, and around the world. His invention and ability made him the richest person on earth and everyone who ever used Windows had a common platform for communication. Why shouldn't he be paid for dreaming big and following through? Our anti-trust laws were slow but eventually the way is made for other companies to get into the game. Thankfully, more people are using Mac anyway...

But every person employed by "greedy" business pays taxes. When the government says they are going to raise taxes on anyone, they are saying YOU. They are stealing the money necessary to accumulate wealth needed to form or run a business.

Government intrusion into my small business years ago made the decision to close the doors a little easier. It simply wasn't worth the hassle if I can't make...and keep...a profit.

[SavedByGrace1981]

My guess is that most here are quite young. By my standards, anyway. There was a time when people could not cuss on the air. When prayer and Bible reading were allowed in public schools. When banks were not allowed to be in business across State lines. When tariffs were levied on imports across our borders. When corporations were criminally prosecuted for treason and disloyalty to the nation in which they did business (let alone made their billions).

Yes there were social ills. Prejudice being the worst. Repression of women. And sadly the Church was too busy playing Church to take the leadership against these things. Which is why perversion headed up the women's movement and the likes of Jessie Jackson who Clarence Mason Weaver calls a plantation foreman headed up the civil rights movement.

"This review is from: It's OK to Leave the Plantation : The New Underground Railroad (Paperback)

This book is an inspiration to people of all races. I happen to be a melanin challenged male. I found great inspiration because this book can help anyone overcome dysfunctional thinking if they have the guts to believe the truth. It also shows that the real sellouts, and Uncle Toms are not Mr. Weaver, Dr. Keyes, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell and Star Parker. The real sellouts are Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee. They're the ones who want to "keep the slaves on the plantation". Why else would they be so vitriolic against the aforementioned people as well as Clarence Thomas and J. C. Watts? For the few scraps of meat the white massas of the Democratic party throw them Waters, Lee and the rest are willing to sell out their brehtren just so they can keep themselves in power.

This is a great book and it shows people of all cultures and walks of life that they can make the American Dream work for them. And, when you do make it, you'll know because the let's pretend spoiled brats of the lewd left will be screaming the loudest. Way to go Mason."

So, you youngsters who wouldn't know how to use a phonograph, don't have a memory of how the world was a different place... a responsible place... a working place... a place where bully individualism was not hindered with the scarcity of employment and the out of control cost of living and credit indebtedness... where people tried a bit harder to make a marriage work (and for the sake of the children was good enough reason)...

I saw it. I was there. It existed. And then came the transition of the next 40 years to today.

If you can get hold of an old out of print series the Reverend JR Church did based on Eustace Mullins Secrets of the Federal Reserve... you will be in for an eye opener. If you can forgive Church for predicting rainbow money by 1989 and the tendency for Mullins to blame the Jews for the ills of the world (sure Jews are involved in the greed and the globalist agenda... so is most every other race)... which can easily be used to obfuscate the good and factual points both put on the table... then you will have insight as to what is going on and why.

Yes, I'm old enough to remember prayer in school (I was in 1st grade in 1959)

It was a different world, then. I think what we've witnessed in the last few decades has some parallels to the Old Testament - especially in the book of Judges. When the people were poor and defeated, they drew close to God. But when they were prosperous, they felt they were self-sufficient and did not need God.

Like the Israelites of old, our affluence has made us self-sufficient and not reliant on God. We're about to find out, however, that worldly riches and affluence are fleeting.

God is not.

Blessings!

-Ed

[JohnD]

Summary of the series done by J.R. Church, the globalists of today had their beginnings in the days of Napoleon and the battle of Waterloo. The British market was duped by Rothschild who saw Napoleon was losing but he dumped stock like Napoleon was winning. The market was a flurry of investors selling and Rothschild secretly bought up the fast devalued stock at pennies on the dollar. This eventually branched out into the Bilderbergers. JP Morgan, Chase (banking), Brown Brothers Harriman (railroad), Bechtel etc. but culminated in the Central Bank of London.

Church states that Cornwallace surrendered to Washington only under the agreement that the United States would continually renew the charter of the New York Central Bank (which was only an affiliate of the London Central Bank). That the war of 1812 was over the President at that time not wanting to renew the charter. This reared its ugly head for the next two centuries with the various depressions and recessions all levied by the Central Bank of London.

It is suggested that both Lincoln and Kennedy were assassinated for having rejected the Central Bank to fund American ventures in the Civil War and the Cold War in the beginnings of Detente. It is a fact Lincoln issued the "green backs" rather than renew the Central Bank charter. It is also a fact that Kennedy had printed millions of tow dollar bills with the inscription "United States Note" (look above President's head on both):

As opposed to "Federal Reserve Note"

Yeah, yeah, conspiracy theory...

The Fed was created in 1913. It is not a branch of the government but is controlled exclusively by the Central Bank of London and an exclusive banking families of Europe and the US.

It was instrumental in the declared ratification of the 16th amendment (taxation by Congress) in 1913. Soon afterward came the outlawing of gold in America (while trainloads of it were being sent in sealed cars through Nazi Germany to fund the Bolshevik revolution...

US dollars were printed as promissory notes for payment on demand in gold.

Since the Great Depression, America's course was to inflate the cost of living so that the Gold Standard could no longer be possible. It is debatable as to when this actually took place, but it is a matter of record that President Nixon took America officially off of the Gold Standard and onto the Petrodollar Standard. Oil was cheap. Oil pumping nations were relatively poor. But they soon realized they had the industrialized world by the small hairs. This brought about the oil embargo of the 1970's.

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[wyguy]

Up until this point, this has been a nonpersonal nice debate. I don't know why you would want to take it there

I didn't think any of those questions were particularly personal.

The last question is insulting and I will not honor it with an answer

A simple yes or no would have been fine. The reason I asked was because your posts are full of the same ideas that I read from socialists.

[JohnD]

Oh yeah! I'll GLADLY take this test!

To those that want to make the big corporations pay the most taxes...

Those corporations are the ones that create jobs. The less taxes they pay the more they can afford to expand their businesses. With expansion comes the need for more manpower, hence, more jobs. When government hammers these corporations with higher and higher taxes, they simply lay people off, pass the cost on to the consumer, or take their business elsewhere (i.e., overseas or south of the border).

When government tries to "punish" the rich, they are actually slamming the poor.

They are creating a record number of jobs every year in China, Mexico, Taiwan etc. Their tax cuts have not benefited American workers. All they have done is load more debt on us.

We need to have them pay their fair share of taxes in the U.S.

We also should make them pay a tariff for any goods they produce overseas at such a level that making their goods here is more profitable. In conjunction with this we should not pay high prices for low quality goods produced overseas. If we stop buying it, they will stop charging so much for it.

We have brought all this on ourselves by giving the Corps everything they want (including paying little or no taxes) while not taking care of our own people.

The reasons they are in those other countries is because of the high taxes and the burden of union entitlements here.

May I ask you a few questions?

How much is their "fair share" of taxes in your opinion?

Flat tax 10% to 15% across the board no write offs. Flat tax is the same to the trillionaire as it is the $5 a year poor.

Are you one of those that think being rich is evil?

Only when it deprives others of their ability to earn a living or when gained by fraud. And you will find that most wealthy people fall under one or both of these.

Do you agree with the Obama administration when they seek to punish success?

The only thing I give O man credit for is putting the brakes on the free fall... which may only be temporary... all else he failed at IMHO.

Are you a socialist?

I am so GLAD you asked.

Two things the McCarthy era produced: witch hunts and polarization. The social make up includes more than two opposing ideals.

In fact it is a social pendulum with the happy medium being Free Enterprise (which is a delicate balance of of the extremes).

The two extremes (communism and capitalism) we were told under the McCarthy era are the only two social philosophies... both of them are extreme both cater to a small privileged class both are fascist.

I am a Fair Market Free Enterpriser.

[wyguy]

I am a Fair Market Free Enterpriser

So, should I start calling you "Товарищ?"

[Guest]

I am a Fair Market Free Enterpriser

So, should I start calling you "Товарищ?"

Nice one, comrade! That reminds me of my Cold War Era days in the military.

[wyguy]

I am a Fair Market Free Enterpriser

So, should I start calling you "Товарищ?"

Nice one, comrade! That reminds me of my Cold War Era days in the military.

Thank-you for your service to our country.

[JohnD]

continuing with my summary of the Federal Reserve...

Church pretty much wrapped his series in the mid 1980's with his personal speculations. So I'll add my observations.

Nixon was pushed out of office because he knew about a break in after the fact. This was the newly established Liberal American media flexing its muscles. Nixon was not any more or less dirty than most politicians. I know this startles most folks because the media did such an effective smear campaign on him. Go to his library in Yorba Linda, California and at least listen to another side of the man.

Ford pretty much was done this favor (filling in for Spiro Agnew and then Nixon) for his part in the Warren Commission. The oil crisis was in full bloom during his administration. I think everybody's collective breath was held hoping he wouldn't screw something up.

Carter came in rather naive as to the overtures of the money types in DC politics. I believe he was a sincere man who was a big fish in a small pond but unlike the Clintons was unable to transition to the big time because IMHO he was not as into dirty politics. The high interest rates (upwards of 20% in home loans and auto loans) was strictly the banking system telling him who was running the show. The Iranian hostage crisis was a big elephant in his living room, so out of desperation to preserve his legacy he did two historic things that were pretty dumb when you think of it. 1. He twisted the arm of Israel to give back the Sinai Peninsula to the Egyptians (who lost it in a war they started). 2. He saw that the Panama Canal zone had not been returned to the Panamanians. So he signed the bill to return it to them in the 1990's. Lessons learned... 1. you don't give away world gates like the Suez and Panama Canals... 2. land for peace began a slaughter campaign in the Middle East encouraging the Palestinians in the 30 year old jihad.

Then along came Reagan.

This is where most capitalists bow and kiss the ground.

Sadly, many Christians do too.

Reagan had some good ideas and some really bad ones. He was right about how to combat Communism. But he did it with capitalist warfare. America had an about face when his voodoo economics took hold. GHW Bush called it that until he was offered the VP. He was right. It is a system of economics based on credit lines and indebtedness which eventually became a stock market commodity and in its third decade revival (the 2000's) became the stock market itself. This house of cards would have collapsed much sooner had the money types not been so sly about reinventing indebtedness time after time. I used to chauffeur for these types in Southern California. Right up until the end (December 2008).

GHW Bush and the Clintons stayed pretty much out of the globalists way as did W who actually stayed out of Cheney's way as he did the Fed's and globalist's bidding from his office.

While these administrations stood vigil, America's backbone was systematically removed. It's workforce and ability to manufacture and produce and to provide services and food stuffs was outsourced to slave labor wage nations to import back here at top dollar out of sheer greed and treasonous legislation. And now that the middle class has been gotten out of the greedy people's way, it suddenly occurs to them that there is no one left but them to pay the taxes...

NOW it's about Government spending too much...

When it was making them deals and bailing them out well cost was no object...

Another very simple tax suggestion on the "rich" is simply 50% taxes on those making over 50 k a year who are not making jobs and paying benefits to employees, and prison time for those who try to pass their tax costs onto the consumer.

Want tax cuts? Give something back to the country... create jobs. Pay your employees a decent wage, chip in on pension plans affordable insurance... oh and police the medical profession for heaven sakes. The foxes have been guarding the hen houses long enough in that profession.

It's real simple if you can't be bought off by votes, compromises, or money and simply stick to the plan because it's the only solution. And it just happens to be right.

[JohnD]

I am a Fair Market Free Enterpriser

So, should I start calling you "Товарищ?"

Yeah real nice one...

Cutthroat Capitalism or Communism?

Is that the extent of your reason?

Fair market free enterprise... scares you?