My articles on same-sex marriage

[mizzdy]

Oh for heavens sakes! We are talking about His rules not a fascist ruler as well as living under Gods reign and not mans. And as I wrote man cannot be left to rule themselves, man cannot rule himself or others well at all at least not for any length of time and yes we see that in fascist, socialistic, even within a republic as America is and was supposed to be.

The point was that "if you guys follow the rules, everything's gonna be just peachy" doesn't really excuse harsh and arbitrary laws, nor do those harsh and arbitrary laws coming from God instead of man make them any easier more pleasant to live with.

Who said anything about it being 'peachy'? Why would His laws be arbitrary, perhaps to you, but not to me, there is a reason for all God does whether we understand it or not. YHWH being the Creator of all things, creator of life and all rules applying to it has the right to judge and carry out those judgments. Regardless of what we may think is harsh Yahweh does not do anything without first telling the people why He is doing it, we are not privy to what He told those who were on the receiving end of His punishments yet I imagine that they all knew who YHWH was and choose not to follow His ways. God doesnt want to box you into anything He gives us freedoms unimaginable in those laws if we choose to follow them.

shalom,

Mizz

[TerryWS]

Yes and no, Israel was to set itself apart from the others and live under the rules God gave, and if people were following those rules there wouldnt be any problems.

What is more likely: that the creator of the whole universe sets apart a small population of the middle east, or that a small population of the middle east sets itself apart declaring that God chose them?

Apart from this question, that for me has an obvious answer, there would not be any problem if you follow any rule, independently how cruel it can be. If you lived in some countries, there would be no problem if you are a woman who always shuts up or restrain from driving a car. Or if you restrain from praying your God, which is different from theirs. If you lived in Germany during the war, there would not be any problem if you do not criticize genocyde of inferior races, etc. etc.

Ciao

- viole

Wow, I am surprised and pleased this thread has lasted as long as it has. I appreciate the balance of viewpoints in this forum. I would like to provide a brief update since I advertised the blogposts in my facebook account. It cost me friendships and my sole sister-in-law won't talk to me anymore.

As a result of the tumult over my blogposts within my facebook circle, I decided to leave my facebook account. Interestingly, virtually none of my facebook "friends" has sought out communication with me through other means, even those who largely agreed with my viewpoints. I think this is a testament to the superficiliaty of facebook.

The issue of gay rights is so powerful and polarizing I can hardly believe it. I live in a neighborhood with a great many gays and lesbians. I have no animosity with any of them as individuals. My wife works with many as well in her arts organization. We generally like them as well as anyone else. If they want to do certain things with their bodies, I can't prevent them. But of course the movement has broad goals and in my view is terribly sinister. I am convinced the architects and proponents of this movemenet aim to completely remake our culture in their image. Every school will be forced to teach about the merits of the gay lifestyle. Every children's as well as adult TV programming will feature gay and lesbian characters. Every church will be barred from speaking against it as hate speech. Every employer will be forced to hire and retain gays and lesbians to fulfill equal employment opportunity law. Although some would call it alarmist, it really is already happening in pockets around the country and will eventually become the status quo through the US, at least. You ok with that?

This is also evidence of the rapid evolution of sexual morals in western society, that is likely to continue moving farther and farther away from the religious norms of any abrahamic religion. It is entirely possible that things we universally call perverse today will become normative down the road. Philosophically, if you disconnect from a religious framework to bound behavior, any sexual practice you can possibly imagine, however vile or disturbing, can be justified and legitimized. Pedophilia? Well, if the kid wants to do it, you should not get in their way. Let them explore their sexual identity and preferences. Bestiality? If the horse if approachable, go for it. Necrophilia? Hey, it's a corpse, inanimate matter. There is no limit to where we are headed if individual preference is the standard for right conduct.

I now realize America is not special. Many or most civilizations eventually fall apart morally at some point. It is very painful to watch happening around me, though.

[TerryWS]

The author of Romans in chapter 1 also predicts the fall of cultures that distance themselves from God. Notice the embrace of homosexuality is one step in the downward progression of society, and it falls apart further yet as "progress" marches on.

"18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too."

[Valoran]

I am convinced the architects and proponents of this movemenet aim to completely remake our culture in their image. Every school will be forced to teach about the merits of the gay lifestyle.

As opposed to the merits of the heterosexual lifestyle? I'm really not sure that's what they teach kids in school.

Every children's as well as adult TV programming will feature gay and lesbian characters.

Adult TV programming, perhaps. Children's shows? Heterosexual couplings aren't even a main point in TV programs for kids yet - if ever.

Every church will be barred from speaking against it as hate speech.

As long as they're only barred from doing so publicly, I welcome that law fully. If the same law oppresses the right of the church to express its doctrine behind its own doors, however, I suppose I'll have to vote for amending that law.

Every employer will be forced to hire and retain gays and lesbians to fulfill equal employment opportunity law.

You mean the same way they have to hire blacks and women, and - God forbid - black women? Such a law is definitely way past due.

Philosophically, if you disconnect from a religious framework to bound behavior, any sexual practice you can possibly imagine, however vile or disturbing, can be justified and legitimized. Pedophilia? Well, if the kid wants to do it, you should not get in their way. Let them explore their sexual identity and preferences.

Or maybe because it's not allowed because children are generally not mature enough to understand the consequences of sex, hence it's illegal even with "willing" children.

Bestiality? If the horse if approachable, go for it.

I suppose that makes sense. I can't say I'm particularly knowledgeable on animal behavioral patterns, though, so I'll refrain from judgment.

Necrophilia? Hey, it's a corpse, inanimate matter.

If a corpse is nothing more than inanimate matter, then what's the point of burial rituals, or even treating a corpse with respect? Cultures attach values and feelings to the bodies of deceased loved ones, not to mention that many of us presumably abhor the thought of our own bodies being used in such a way after our death.

There is no limit to where we are headed if individual preference is the standard for right conduct.

Yes, there is. Just because X is allowed doesn't mean that everything else must be allowed as well. That's a ridiculous and weak argument.

[Guest]

But of course the movement has broad goals and in my view is terribly sinister. I am convinced the architects and proponents of this movement aim to completely remake our culture in their image. Every school will be forced to teach about the merits of the gay lifestyle. Every childrens as well as adult TV programming will feature gay and lesbian characters. Every church will be barred from speaking against it as hate speech. Every employer will be forced to hire and retain gays and lesbians to fulfill equal employment opportunity law. Although some would call it alarmist, it really is already happening in pockets around the country and will eventually become the status quo through the US, at least. You ok with that?

This is also evidence of the rapid evolution of sexual morals in western society, that is likely to continue moving farther and farther away from the religious norms of any abrahamic religion. It is entirely possible that things we universally call perverse today will become normative down the road. Philosophically, if you disconnect from a religious framework to bound behavior, any sexual practice you can possibly imagine, however vile or disturbing, can be justified and legitimized. Pedophilia? Well, if the kid wants to do it, you should not get in their way. Let them explore their sexual identity and preferences. Bestiality? If the horse if approachable, go for it. Necrophilia? Hey, it's a corpse, inanimate matter. There is no limit to where we are headed if individual preference is the standard for right conduct.

I now realize America is not special. Many or most civilizations eventually fall apart morally at some point. It is very painful to watch happening around me, though.

Figured I'd respond to a few things.

First, what you are seeing is the decay in culture that happens when any nation turns from God's way of doing things. You are correct in saying America is not special -- we're just another gentile nation. God has judged other nations, and His patience with ours will one day run out as well. Study history and you will find there is truly nothing new under the sun just as scripture says . . . all the perversions you list have happened before, and will no doubt happen again. History does indeed repeat itself.

The so-called gay lifestyle folks have an agenda. They want their behavior normalized -- by ramming it down everyone's throat, if necessary. The garbage on TV is one reason I don't watch network TV any longer, except for a very short list of shows. Am I okay with that? No. Can I do anything about that as an individual? Not much as the world would see it, but I can share the Gospel.

The only thing that is going to stop the moral decay -- is salt and light. I doubt much of anything short of a national revival will turn things around for this country at this point. Political activity in our type of government is important -- if we don't use our voice we will lose it! But I think too many have forgotten that we need to preach the Gospel too.

Preach the Gospel . . . God's Word is the only thing that will change hearts . . . change a heart, and the person changes. Only Jesus can change a persons' desires and set them free from sins power. Paul's preaching in Ephesus caused so many to get saved that it eventually caused a riot! (Story starts in Acts 19, the riot starts at verse 21.) Why? The local tradesmen were mad because no one was buying their metal idols any more because they had found the living and true God. They didn't need the idols any more. That's how you really change the culture: One person at a time.

[TerryWS]

[TerryWS]

Excellent article

[jasoncran]

i dont miss loving men nor the lust to act on that, thank you jesus.

[brightmorningstar]

Excellent article.

I think the biggest difficulty we have as Bible believing Christians that is emerging, is non-Bible believing 'Christians' siding with non-believers against Bible believing Christians on this issue.

[Arthur Durnan]

Homosexuality is precisely what it is: an abhorrent abnormality, yea better, an abominable sin in the sight of a thrice-holy God. UltraLibDem News-Media-Elites love to refer to it as "same-sex" hoping to remove or tone down the long-time sting of the very word, "homosexual." Why keep changing its very moniker to fall in line with & please its liberal sympathizers? Many researchers contend that a person's environment, a frasctured or dysfunctional family and a lack of early gender identity in the self, plus peer-group pressure (also at times outright kidnapping) all play large roles in determining homosexual persuasion or behavior. Whatever I confidently rest my case on the settled Word of God re homosexuality which is the precise opposite of what Jesus Christ ordered for the human race in Matthew 19 - man & woman; male & female; father & mother re Holy Judeo-Christian Matrimony. It doesn't require psychic powers to understand that Jesus Christ spoke quite clearly on His intention for the humankind. Of course, if homosexuality is acceptable to fallen society, so logically is polygamy, incest, necrophilia, pedophilia, kiddie-porn peddling and other perversions into the darkest night. Why would fallen humankind (including the UltraLibDem News-Media-Elite) constantly promote but one heinous perversion and not the others? Ah, yes, maybe indeed, in the light of freedom of expression just not yet?

Homosexuality is natural neither for animals in general, as contrary to nature & instinct, nor for human beings in particular, as contrary to nature & reason. Take a moment or two to read any of Drs. Elizabeth Moberly, Joseph Nicolosi, Clyde Narramore, Henry Sager, Josep Berger, William Wilson, Robert Spitzer, John Raberskel, Charles Socarides, et al, the latter of which wrote, "The greatest con-job of the psychiatric century was the removal of homosexuality from the disease category. It's a psychological disorder." Truly, homosexuality is statistically abnormal, physically unnatural,morally reprehensible and biblically an abomination. Humankind shouldgive much earnest consideration to the joy of edging back, way back, to moral sanity. The one geunuine article for such steady retracing of steps in that regard would be the creation of a new life as enunciated by the Lord Jesus Christ in St. John 3:1-7 and by the Apostle Paul over in 2 Corinthians 5:17 who both make the point quite apodictically. Why be Politically Korrect (with the moral I.Q. of a ceiling fan) when you can be absolutely right (in view of your Creator-God)?