ncn Posted June 20, 2013 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 6 Topic Count: 406 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5,248 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 1,337 Days Won: 67 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2013 The Garden How many kinds of sweet flowers grow In an English country garden? We'll tell you now of some that we know Those we miss you'll surely pardon Daffodils, heart's ease and phlox Meadowsweet and lady smocks Gentian, lupin and tall hollyhocks Roses, foxgloves, snowdrops, forget-me-nots In an English country garden. Let me sing to ya.... you'll try to forget that song soon after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted June 25, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2013 The Bible is silent as to how the system of money came into place. Perhaps we shouldn't read into Scripture what is not there to begin with. I agree with OneLight. It is about trusting God and not our wealth. The system of money is, in a way, structured on the same concept as that of Babel... man's attempt to circumvent God and get there on his own means! All people merged into a system of unity with God in no way as its center! Really? How else would you structure the system that allows effective trade that still have God at the center? The Garden Please expand this idea brother? What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 25, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,220 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,480 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The Bible is silent as to how the system of money came into place. Perhaps we shouldn't read into Scripture what is not there to begin with. I agree with OneLight. It is about trusting God and not our wealth. The system of money is, in a way, structured on the same concept as that of Babel... man's attempt to circumvent God and get there on his own means! All people merged into a system of unity with God in no way as its center! Really? How else would you structure the system that allows effective trade that still have God at the center? The Garden Please expand this idea brother? What do you mean? After all God made He said it was good.... there was no improving upon this! All that we know and see now is shadows of that good... Mixed within all of this is spiritual forces of darkness comprising the shadows, but we are to be here Col 3:1-11 3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. 5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. 8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. NKJV as aliens in this place now... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udx Posted June 25, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 684 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 230 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/15/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2013 The Bible is silent as to how the system of money came into place. Perhaps we shouldn't read into Scripture what is not there to begin with. I agree with OneLight. It is about trusting God and not our wealth. The system of money is, in a way, structured on the same concept as that of Babel... man's attempt to circumvent God and get there on his own means! All people merged into a system of unity with God in no way as its center! Really? How else would you structure the system that allows effective trade that still have God at the center? The Garden Please expand this idea brother? What do you mean? After all God made He said it was good.... there was no improving upon this! All that we know and see now is shadows of that good... Mixed within all of this is spiritual forces of darkness comprising the shadows, but we are to be here Col 3:1-11 3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. 5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. 8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. NKJV and aliens in this place now... Love, Steven Your answer is way too vague. I don't think you even believe in what you said, otherwise you would live as they do in the forest and forgo all modern conveniences. It is hypocritical of you to deny the benefits of modern improvements if you are using it like you are now, otherwise you would just live with what you though God said was good and live in the forest. It is silly to deny human technologies that have improve the living standard of mankind, by saying 'there is no improving' on God's creation. Also, 'good' doesn't mean it can't be improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 25, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,220 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,480 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Your answer is way too vague. I don't think you even believe in what you said, otherwise you would live as they do in the forest and forgo all modern conveniences. It is hypocritical of you to deny the benefits of modern improvements if you are using it like you are now, otherwise you would just live with what you though God said was good and live in the forest. I think if you would have reflected a little more on this- my present reply might not have made you look so silly! The original state of sinless perfection was lost when sin entered the world by our choice... I am not so foolish as to think living in a forest that God has cursed is better than any other living place now! It is silly to deny human technologies that have improve the living standard of mankind, by saying 'there is no improving' on God's creation. Also, 'good' doesn't mean it can't be improved. You really have no idea of the cesspool of decay and filth we are in do you? It would help a lot if you would read what God says of these last days and what the hearts of men are like.... we are not in a utopia of betterment but tribulation and destruction lie at our door! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desi2007 Posted June 27, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,220 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 219 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/05/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/18/1966 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Sometimes the love of money they pierce themselves with so many griefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt123 Posted June 27, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 4 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2013 Hello all, I have had the subject of Biblical based finance on my heart to share with the forums. I am going to sum up from Dave Ramsey's "Financial Peace University" which my wife and I have taken. Dave Ramsey is a biblical finance person who's also has born fruit in people coming to Christ through his ministry. Some people disagree with some of his views on money, and part of that is due to the way I have presented his material in the past. I will try to be more accurate on what he teaches.I am going to start with basics that are non-controversial, and on the ones that may be controversial, I will state as such. Also I might add, that my wife and I would have not made it financially or in our marriage if not for the teaching we revived when we did his full "Financial Peace University" Course as lead by the Lord. We were on very shaky ground, adding debt way faster then we could ever hope of paying it off, and barely making it by. We had been taught the worlds wisdom on money and finance, and we were following it to destruction. Long story short, my God spoke to my wife and I separately to do this course. We did it, and as we applied what we learned we have gotten out of our serious financial trouble. We had around 40k in debt, and were stuck with two "Payday Loan" places at an annual interest rate of over 360%APR. We were being called by collectors on a daily basis, and could hardly pay rent and put food on the table. We kept getting credit cards just to get things like gas and food. We were in trouble. We took this course, and as we slowly applied what we learned, we started climbing out of the hole. The key phrase here is when we applied what we learned. Many times we stopped doing what we learned and it caused us not make headway or sink a bit more. The more we have applied the more sound footing we have gained. Now have about half of that debt paid off. When I get a job we will have enough income to pay off the rest within this year, and at that time we will be 100% Debt free, and hopefully be able to start gearing up into full time ministry, hopefully as missionaries which is what this debt has kept us from doing. Okay Part one. Many people belive that money is evil, and by extension, that if you have money you are also evil. Or on the flip side, I have seen some people, in some Churches teach and believe that you are not blessed if you did not have money! I would hazard to state that non of the above is true! But doesn't the Bible say that money is the root of all evil? No. It does not, lets see what it says... 1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Timothy 6:10 New King James Version (NKJV) 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Timothy 6:10 New International Version (NIV) 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. 1 Timothy 6:10 Amplified Bible (AMP) 10 For the love of money is a root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have been led astray and have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves through with many [a]acute [mental] pangs. 1 Timothy 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows. You see its the Love of money, and that is the root of All kinds of evil! You see money is amoral. It has no morals. It is simply an object. Just like a brick is an object. You can take the brick and build something with it. You can take a brick and throw it through a window. The brick does not care, its not alive. It has no morals. You see what a person does with a brick is what is important not the brick itself. So no, having money or not having money does not mean you are a good or bad person. Dave Ramsey does say this, he noticed that having money only allows you to be more of who you already are. If you a mean evil person, you can do even more mean evil things with money. If your a good giving person, you will simply do more good and giving. Also, often times God does not bless us with money is because he knows we will hurt yourself with it. If you have 100 dollars and you do not use that wisely, and you hurt yourself, God will not give you 1000 dollars to cause even more hurt. He only gives you what your able to handle. Case in point, many lotto millionaires, lost it all and wind up far worse off then they were before the money. Are there pitfalls and dangers for a wealthy person, in the spiritual sense, Yes, but more on that later! The ability to uses money for the betterment of your family is not evil. However, along with the attainment of the wealth comes a responsibility to help those who are in need. To use it selfishly is wrong. To help others to learn of our Lord in lets say the Bible Society, to reach those who have never read the Word of God or to help in a Mission to feed the hungry in near or far places or to help your family should they need it if you are able. I do not say to LEND. That is not good - it leads to frustration and grief. If God blesses you financially then be a blessing to others. Was interested in this post because of the word 'LEND' and the fact that you say it is not good. I was considering lending my son money to help with buying his first home - the reason being that I didn't want him throwing away money on interest payments - but also teaching him responsibility about money management - i.e. that he needs to set aside part of his salary and be responsible rather than having money 'drop out of the sky'. I'm not disagreeing with you at all but I just wondered if you think there is anything wrong with my approach in treating it as a loan rather than a gift - he will eventually inherit whatever I leave and I have no plans on spending any payments that he makes - rather I would invest them for him so that he eventually benefits from them - as I said not disagreeing - just wanted your opinion.Psalm 15, He that putteth not out his money to usury.If you give him a loan, hope fully hell pay it back.To many siblings end up going to court over money issues, their supposed to be Christian folks.My advice, if he cant pay it back, take the loss, lending money isn't a good a idea.Or just give it to him as a gift, wont have to worry if he cant pay you back.Credit cards, finacing fall into usury, that's were big problems start, saving cash is the best way, stay away from usury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Posted June 30, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2013 "Moreover, when God gives someone wealth and possessions, and the ability to enjoy them, to accept their lot and be happy in their toil—this is a gift of God" Ecc. 5:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 2, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.79 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2013 My precious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted July 2, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,220 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,480 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted July 2, 2013 The Picture plus two words=1002 words ... all satan has to do is change your definition of what the love of it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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