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  1. I have authority, yes. Just like Peter and the apostles. I have the authority God gives to men who shepherd his flock. I speak as the Spirit gives utterance and watch as that which I have spoken by the Spirit is upheld. Always for the edification of others. Let me be clear. I believe that the RCC is part of God's church. A very misguided and broken part. Do you want authority in this world? All that is required is to live as Jesus did. A ruler is a measuring device used to measure things. God's rulers are those that are closest to the measure of Christ. Their rulership is given that they may serve those whom they rule over. Not to be confused with those who assume power and lord over others by force. The lord uses them as well but not for edification. Whenever a topic like purgatory is brought up I ask myself what is changed by the belief in the doctrine? What is at stake? History has taught us the truth about why doctrine is important. The rulers of Israel had made the word of God powerless to change them through vanity of mens traditions and interpretations in Jesus day. That was part of the requirement for his first advent. Those who have come after have equally traditionalized and marginalized the effect of the new testamemt witness as well. The RCC has created purgatory and in effect created hope for those who are laden with sin that they may believe they will go through a purifying process later, after death, and enter heaven. Protestants have latched onto the words the day shall declare it and also give hope to those still caught up in obedience to sin that their evil works will be burned up yet they themselves saved. I believe these positions to be in error, yet, I also believe the truth cannot be received because it treads on the faith and hope for heaven of those who espouse such doctrines. James said that if I hear the word of God yet do not obey it then I will end up in self deception. Paul said if I think that I am something when I am nothing then I deceive myself. A soothsayer or diviner is one who claims to speak the truth for the purpose of comforting the hearers. The word of God is very painful to hear for those who love sin for it testifies against them and reveals their eventual end. Atleast it was for me. The key to understanding the contents of the epistle seems to be in understanding who it was written to and why. These early Christians were very carnal in nature and needed basic instructions about being in the faith. Being in the faith is about what we do as we come to rely upon the self existent one as our salvation and not men or the works of our hands. Many times throughout the book Paul makes reference to judgments against those who preform evil acts. Jesus spoke of how we are judged for every idle word we speak. Our faith rests upon the truth that Jesus reigns and is bringing every enemy and authority down. What we build upon that foundation doctrinally and promote as good to do are our works as Christs subjects. These works are tried by fire. Jesus said that if we preform the works he said we should do that the storms would come and winds would blow but our house would stand. These are the fiery trials of our faith. Everything is made manifest and brought to light by the Lord. In these last days, God is settimg the stage for the greatest event that will ever come to pass. He is going to shake the heaven amd the earth to remove all that which can be shaken. Then we will know who is following in the way and who is creating soothsayer doctrines based in lies to ease the minds of those who love and make a lie. Their great delusion will be their destruction. But we shall see that all those whom are approved in all churches everywhere will be gathered up unto the Lord for they are his treasure. May we all study to learn how to behave ourselves righteously through the Holy Spirit that we may have praise of Him when he visits us. May we love others with a fervent godly love that demonstrates our love for God who condesended to men of low estate and left us an example. Peace
  2. Q: How can Jesus send the Holy Spirit to guide and the church end up in error? A: Hard hearts Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation The same Holy Spirit of God spoke to Israel and they fell into gross error. Do you have the Holy Spirit in you? If so, can you be in error or are you infallable? Using your line if reasoning anyone who has the Holy Spirit ought be infallable, no?
  3. You are right. That is why I like you. We both see purifying fire. We disagree as to when, what and where it is. Yes, the authority of interpretation is important. Yours: Roman Catholic Church Mine: Perceived personal walk with God through the Holy Spirit. Both sources of authority are fallible due to the receivers not the source of information. I really enjoy learning about other views now that I don't feel like my foundation is threatened everytime I hear some other perception. But since you source your authority in the Roman Catholic Church, I expect you to be unwavering. You are an agent of that church and therefore seek to mediate their doctrines unto others. You are not free to alter interpretations made by the church. That said, I could walk you through the first 6 chapters of 1 corinthians and show you exactly why I reject any view that holds to chapter 3 pertaining to after death judgment but it can't serve to do anything to change your view. Your view of scripture is colored by the RCC. My walk with God is like my childrens walk with me. I tell them things that are true yet due to their misunderstanding they don't exactly get what I am telling them right. They have to keep having their understanding refined. Are you absolutely certain that the RCC view cannot be wrong?
  4. Yeah, I don't see any of that in 1 cor 3 or any other portion of that book. That is especially why I have so much trouble with peopkes doctrine. I listen to what scripture they claim supports it and realize it has nothing to do with that. There is a lot to learn from 1 cor, especially how people by wisdom do not know God. Israel lost their relationship with God by believing in their own logic of the scriptures. Now both catholics and protestants alike are doing the same. Early in my faith I was misled by a personal desire to know. Not anymore. I am happy being a fool. Ministering Christ unto others has led me to understand more about purification through progressive sanctification than 10,000 hours of bible study ever could have done. My purification continues daily. I cannot do the things I once did for I have been washed. I desire a deeper relationship with God every day. Thank you again for clarifying catholic doctrine. I cannot receive it as truth but better understand why you do.
  5. Just to summarize, Purgatory is taught as a place for purification for those whose souls need purified for becoming fit to enter heaven and into the presence of God.
  6. It is in the OP. Later approved by you in the thread. What more is there to explain?
  7. Thank you for the topic for consideration. I had never really considered it at depth before. The burden of proof lies with the one making tge claim. The Roman Catholic Church has failed to make a convincing argument as to the validity of the doctrine, therefore it is unnecessary to allow said doctrine to influence my faith. Instead the doctrine serves to remove my faith further from that church. I find them to be in error and in need of repentance for bringing a seemingly false doctrine to tge body of Christ who never taught such things.
  8. It has always been about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit for all who will as I understand it. The problem seems that most won't, even today they harden their hearts and refuse the Holy Spirit. Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Do not be deceived. They had not because they asked not. They were in love with their own opinions (their sin) just as people of today. Everyone did what was right in their own eyes (according to their opinion, the eyes of the understanding opened in the garden of Eden) and as a result God gets angry. Just as our "bible scholars" of today make the word of God to none affect through traditions and private interpretaion. Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils; And time is coming when all who are alive will know him (have the breath of life which is the spirit of God in them) from the least to the greatest. God has sought to persuade man for a long while but as it is written: Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive (plead) with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we know that God is spirit and that God has made his angels ministering spirits yet one, Beelzebub, the Devil, that Old Serpent has sought to take the place of God and rule the creation whose time is quickly coming to a close. David wrote of them saying by the Holy Spirit that there is none that seek after God. Paul also spoke of a need for a preacher so that people would even know to call upon God. Pentecost was an event orchestrated by God for the purpose bringing witness to himself and his spirit which had always been available. Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. Don't let the god of this world deceive you for he wants to ve your God as it is written: Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. How was Cain to rule over sin? Rom 8:1 ¶There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit What spirit? The spirit of God that has always been freely available to them that ask. But what was Cains answer? Gen 4:8¶And Cain talked ( we all speak by a spirit) with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. 1Co 2:16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ And again: Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. But why talk about our mind when talking about the spirit of God? Eph 4:23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind Because they are intrinsically linked. From the beginning of creation the war has always been for the hearts and mind of men through the spirit because dominion was given unto men over creation. God has always had his people with whom he has had indwelling communion with through the spirit. This is what it means to know and be known of God. To have his spirit in you. 1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Peace
  9. I am not suprised you would ask. When most people think of hatred they think of anger driven hostility toward another. Misuse and abuse also classify as hatred. Simply choosing a king to rule over us is hatred toward God. I was born and bred to hate women by a long line of misogynists, some of which were even men, but most were women.
  10. To be part of the ones who recognize the signs of his coming, one needs only be a lover of and doer of the truth. If you are as he is in this world then there is nothing to worry about. God shows his servants what he is going to do before he does it.
  11. I grew up a misogynist. It has been hard to change. I first had to learn what love and hate are. The most hateful thing I ever did to a woman was worship her and give her God's place in my heart. I am steadily learning how to love. The bible declares that people get things so mixed up they call evil good and good evil. Even to the point of crucifying the Son of God. Why would we not understand that we are capable of misunderstanding the proper role of gender in mankind? Even with the bible at our fingertips touching on the subject repeatedly many say did "God really say that?".
  12. Thank you to all of you who participate. You help me to understand so much about various beliefs.
  13. Very complex topic I am afraid I cannot answer except to say that from what I have read on the catholic view of baptismal regeneration I do not agree. It appears a perfect way to raise up an army of people who believe they have something they do not, a new birth. That makes them like Saul before he became Paul.
  14. From what I gather it appears that the doctrines origination is from human reasoning that "makes sense" to those who determined it to be the case. I am cautious because I believe that people often only seemingly disagree because the terminology used to describe things are different. I also understand that spiritual things must be spiritually discerned and I may not be developed enough to receive some things. I asked about where the doctrine came from because I want to be able to understand. To me, it appears that it developed backwards like those who believe in evolution. They begin where we are and try to describe where we came from and develop a system that describes billions of years of development. The doctrine of Adams having sanctifying grace seems to have developed out of a need to explain why being born again simply means being baptized by water into Christ. The pitfalls are many and the dangers far and wide. The nation of Israel was completely ignorant of God by the time of Jesus. Through 'church' tradition they had made the word of God to none effect. To me, the outside observer who has experienced a new birth consisting of abilities to do and see things I once could not, it appears to be the same mistake Israel made. A mistake which ends with men like Saul who seek to imprison, torcher and even kill true believers as the jesuits have been accused of doing throughout history. Saul did it with a clear conscience as it is written. I seek to know the truth and thank you in earnest for helping me to understand where these beliefs originate. I openly admit to the weakness of my own position for everything I believe is rooted in believing that God is able and does raise up men independent of the catholic faith through the word of God to preform his work and bring the lost, sick and the dying unto eternnal life in Christ our Lord. Peace unto you amd many thanksgivings unto God for you!
  15. But where does the doctrine come from that Adam was created with sanctifying grace?