Orr v'emet Posted October 21, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,672 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2004 Only to those that have been enlightened. This is not all the world either. Romans 1:19-20;25a For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. (25) Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. This verse says nothing to the effect of the truth being exclusive to some and not others. With all due respect I don't want to enter this conversation with you. I stand by what I have said so far. To think that God requires nothing of us because He chose us is crazy. It's contrary to the Word of God and frankly seems a bit prideful. Psalm 51:17 says: The sacrifice you want is a broken spirit. A broken and repentant heart, O God, you will not despise. How do you argue with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted October 21, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 Steve, how big does a sin have to be to repent from? I think God would rather we be broken over the tiniest sins, therefore not live a life of sin! That is also a facet of what I am considering Amazed. I'm wondering why "some" walk through more rebellion and filth than others? I being one of the fore mentioned ones. And maybe it is true, maybe some children can have a full understanding of sin at a very young age and be "broken" over it early? Thereby sparing the travels I took? I don't know? I do wonder though. Why some go through such awful rebellion before submission? And others don't? I watch though, I watch my own children, other children, and wonder. Cause you can tell which ones are going to be more prone to temptation, or at least I can, immediately. Just thinkin out loud here. In His Love, Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted October 21, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2004 1- Repentance is about turning from SIN and turning to GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazedbyhislove Posted October 22, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 99 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 22, 2004 I believe what you are talking about is discernment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazedbyhislove Posted October 22, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 99 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 22, 2004 don't know why some rebel more than others except maybe they were never broken...not genuinely saved or else they were saved and lacked the family support and encouragement from other believers due to moves, etc, & drifted from the LORD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orr v'emet Posted October 22, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,672 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 22, 2004 Steve, how big does a sin have to be to repent from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted October 22, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted October 22, 2004 You don't think repentance is necessary for salvation? If we didn't see how filthy we are in our sin then how would we know we needed God's grace? Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted October 22, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted October 22, 2004 1-Repent=turn from sin to God 2- Steve, how big does a sin have to be to repent from? 1- Yup 2- We must repent of every sin, of course. Isn't that what I have been saying all along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazedbyhislove Posted October 22, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 99 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 22, 2004 : 2- We must repent of every sin, of course. Isn't that what I have been saying all along? :huh So we are all agreed if a five year old child feels remorseful about all the sins they have committed, however small, knows they have sinnned against GOD, and wants to TRUST JESUS, to wash their sins away, and take them to heaven, that they should be encouraged to do this? A child is so trusting and giving in heart, if an adult rescued them from a burning building, and saved their life, and continued to show that child love, that child probably would want to do ANYTHING for the person who saved their life. That is kind of what true salvation is to a young child....they know who saved them and what they were saved from, the LOVE OF GOD, so they want to love him back and do what he says.....they don't want to purposefully disobey Him because of what HE DID FOR THEM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnP Posted October 22, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 308 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/28/1950 Share Posted October 22, 2004 LivinForHisGlory. I don't know if you are talking to me in this post, posted: Oct 21 2004, 05:46 PM, but seeing as a quote from me is used I will take it to be so. You say; With all due respect I don't want to enter this conversation with you. You say; How do you argue with that? What's it to be then? johnp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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