nebula Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Try this which list other countries that are closer to the industralized level of the US. We dont fare too well. http://www.gunpolicy...1,128,192,10,31 Do any of these nations have our inner-city culture of gangs and drugs? I know a man who used to be a Baltimore city cop; you don't hear about how bad things are in the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2012 Wrong, you cherry pick, and completely ignore what was said about Japan's culture. Fail. so, does gun control work in Japan or not? a simple yes or no will suffice No it does not, as there are so many other factors involved that you ignore, which we have already stated. People are still killed with guns in Japan aren't they? Once again....What exactly is your "common sense" approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://www.gunpolicy...e_any_method/91 Japanese are more suicidal than Americans, care to explain why? It is part of their culture. They have a much higher sense of honor and duty than we have in this country. Sadly many of them take this too far and instead of being what they view as a burden or a hardship on others they choose another route. what does this have to do with the topic? why are you trying to change the subject? So, gun violence is a cultural problem because we don't have a sense of duty and honor any more? Thanks for making my point. Guns aren't the problem, our culture is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://www.gunpolicy...e_any_method/91 Japanese are more suicidal than Americans, care to explain why? It is part of their culture. They have a much higher sense of honor and duty than we have in this country. Sadly many of them take this too far and instead of being what they view as a burden or a hardship on others they choose another route. what does this have to do with the topic? why are you trying to change the subject? So, gun violence is a cultural problem because we don't have a sense of duty and honor any more? Thanks for making my point. Guns aren't the problem, our culture is. Perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Try this which list other countries that are closer to the industralized level of the US. We dont fare too well. http://www.gunpolicy...1,128,192,10,31 Do any of these nations have our inner-city culture of gangs and drugs? I know a man who used to be a Baltimore city cop; you don't hear about how bad things are in the news. do drug and gang deaths some how count less than other deaths? When comparing the deaths of criminals, to innocent loss of life due to gun violence, yes there is a distinction, and there should be. I personally don't believe all life should be valued equally. You have the lawful and the criminal and they should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2012 RunningGator- Once again....What exactly is your "common sense" approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2012 Well, would you look at that... http://www.cnbc.com/id/100325110 The ensuing debate has had a few noticeable side effects. Anecdotal evidence suggests that gun enthusiasts are moving quickly to purchase new weapons, spurred on by the prospect of tougher laws. Simultaneously, and for similar reasons, the shares of several gun manufacturers have plunged....... A spike in gun sales across the country started with President Barack Obama's reelection. Observers note that may be associated with the traditionally contentious relationship the Democratic Party has with the gun rights lobby. (Read more: Gun Sales Surge: An Obama Bounce?) Some Second Amendment advocates fear the Connecticut tragedy will provide more impetus to efforts to restrict gun ownership. What was that about democracy being two wolves, and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty being a well armed sheep contesting the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2012 RunningGator- Once again....What exactly is your "common sense" approach? as I stated in a different thread, I don't really have a good answer. I personally believe it falls between "don't touch my gun" side and the "all guns are evil" side. I do not think banning all guns are the answer nor do I think that more guns are the answer. As stated above, the problem is not the guns, it is the culture. How do we change the culture? Seems that Jesus is able to do that, perhaps the response to such things as this should include God as well as buying more guns...just a thought. So, the squishy undecided, middle it is. Carry on then. I'm done with this. I'll just stay armed, and a lot safer than the sheep who will be left defenseless from the liberal elites, and their armed guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted December 19, 2012 When comparing the deaths of criminals, to innocent loss of life due to gun violence, yes there is a distinction, and there should be. I personally don't believe all life should be valued equally. You have the lawful and the criminal and they should be treated as such. this tends to ignore the innocent bystanders that are often harmed in the gang and drug violence I guess they dont really matter either I did say there should be a distinction between criminals and law abiding citizens that are killed by gun violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I feel like I am in a centrifuge. We keep going around and around and not advancing anything. Living in security means not living in fear. Some people define security as locking their doors and windows, installing security systems, insurance, an effective and responsive law and order service, the right to keep and bear arms, freedom to worship or live how they choose, a military that deters foreign aggression, etc. Just because I want to have a handgun in my nightstand and a shotgun in my closet doesn't mean I am living in fear. Maybe it's how I define security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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