Is this the real reason behind Sandy Hook?

[Guest bryanw92]

Those who are on the streets do not know where to go and to seek for help to get on their feet.

You never had to walk in their shoes .

Yes I was just as they are ... homeless... I do know what it is like ...sharing a sandwich with, another homeless person that was also hungry.

At one time I lived in my car .

Some don't have that ...they have to live under bridges , in tents, etc.

especially those who lost their jobs and homes , due to the economy.

They are heartfilled human beings ..I must tell you.

BTW... those who snap and kill themselves or others , may have a home and family .

Please don't target just the homeless... that are mentally ill.

I'm not saying that a person can't be a heartfilled human being and also have a mental illness. You seem to think that I am declaring them to be non-human because they have a problem. That can't be further from the truth. I'm not targetting anyone. I'm just saying that homeless people who are mentally ill need to get help and even homeless advocates will tell you that mental illness is a big contributor to a person being long-term homeless. Every homeless man I worked with (and I only worked with men) admitted that he was on meds for bipolar, depression, ADD, ADHD, or OCD. This isn't saying that they are psychotic killers. I'm only saying that they did have mental illnesses and perhaps that affected their circumstances that made them homeless in the first place. Nothing more. Please don't read more into it than that and don't tell me that I can't have concern for the homeless because I've never been homeless.

[Peacemaker2012]

“The demons of violence and lawlessness are on the loose all across America – in Newton, Conn., …in Aurora, Colo., … in Oak Creek, Wis., … just as they were in Littleton, Colo., and at Virginia Tech in years gone by,” Rosenberg wrote. “But why? How is it possible that violent crime in the United States has surged by more than 400 percent since 1960?

“The answer is as painful as it is simple: The further we turn away from God in our nation – the further we drive Him out of our society, out of our schools and courts, and out of our media and out of our homes, or the more we give mere lip service to religion, the more men are ‘holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power’ (2 Timothy 3:5) – the worse things are getting.”

Mike Huckabee, a former Republican presidential candidate, governor of Arkansas, bestselling author and host of the Fox News Channel talk show “Huckabee,” said on Fox that Americans are asking why there is so much violence “in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools.”

“Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?” Huckabee asked. “We don’t have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem. And since we’ve ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn’t act so surprised … when all hell breaks loose.”

This was an excellent article, Thank You for sharing! I have so many questions and comments on this I don't know where to begin really but I will start here. As member's of the New Covenant under Christ, we are no longer under the curse of the law, that is what I have been taught and always believed, but when I read Chapter 28 of the Book of Dueteronomy, all the curses that God tells them He will pour out on them if they do not walk in the Way He Commands, are being poured out upon this land, our country and individuals, that is 'on' both... believer's and non-believer's alike. Even myself at one time, I believed in Christ, but like this article points out, I was giving Him lip service really, not living for Him, "honoring Him with my lips while my heart was far from Him".....and I suffered for that ( do not be deceived, God will not be mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he also will reap) and I was being overcome by depression and anxiety and many other 'plagues', but once I turned and started living for Him and reading His word and learning to be obedient, these things started to break off, God began healing me. So I think exploring that area would be really great, the curse of the law and why...... if we are not under it, are we seeing so many of its spoken illnesse/plagues coming upon us..... even within the Body.

By the Power of God's Grace we can learn to walk in odedience to The Word of God and that is what we are called to do ...right?.... as Paul says , "Be imitator's of God as Dear Children" and in Peter we hear "be Holy for I am Holy" . So, as I reason this out..... A Dear Child does what they are told out of love and respect/reverence (once they are becoming perfected anyway). I know we DO NOT do this to earn or keep Salvation etc.....but I am wondering here......if somehow this area of scripture is or is not... being taught correctly. I know "We are saved by Grace through Faith, not of ourselves, it is the gift of God not of Works... lest any man should boast".......this part is being taught, but the ending to that scripture is being left out in many cases......"For we are His Workmanship, Created in Christ Jesus, for Good Works, that We should Walk in Them"...... so, is it that the body is not submitting themselves to the inner working of the Holy Spirit and/or not understanding that the Power of God's Grace can and will work in us to turn us away for our 'wicked ways'... if.... we believe AND follow AND obey, are we being deceived or mislead as to the difference between conviction and condemnation? Meaning, when The Holy Spirit moves upon us to convict us of something that God is trying to get us to turn away from, are we chalking it up to condemnation from the enemy and ignoring it? If not, then ..... What is happening?

Another point that I wanted to touch on is this......The thing that frightens me at this point, about God being removed from all these area's of our lives (schools, homes etc) is that if we were to turn back and invite Him in again AND if The People as a group were to do that, what God would we invite back at this point. People within the Body do not even agree about many of Gods Characteristic's or Commandments, so......that would pose the question, which God would we invite in and follow? Jesus says, my sheep hear my voice, they will not follow a stranger, but at this point, there are many people following many different Jesus's.

So, I keep feeling this laid on my heart....... Everyone seems to view 'god' as the name of our God, but not everyone who says they believe in God, truely believes in all that our God's Holy Character represents. So, we are told in God's Word, that we are not go after 'other gods'.....but when we accept and follow anyone who claims to believe in God, how do we know that we are not creating for ourselves gods that are not gods or that we are not following those who are doing that? (and example of what I mean is this, at my daughter's school one of her teacher's is a 'Christian', but they also taught my daughter that Yoga is not harmful and encouraged the entire class to go home and meditate and clear their mind of all thought"...This is NOT from God...and further another Christian Teacher who believes in Jesus gave a assignment during the study of all religions, for each child to go home and create their own society, giving this society a god with a name of their own making, AND this is definetly wrong on so many levels, but when I spoke to her, she said, "oh,I am Christian to, it's not like that, you are taking it out of context, it's just an assignment) No, I do not believe that it is just and assignment and I can not believe that a fellow Christian does not see it as harmful.

So, when I prayed to God and started asking Him to come back to our schools, I was faced with this, if 'they' allowed prayer back in schools, what god would they be praying to? there are so many different religions at this point so.....if they say they pray to God dont' we also need to ask this...... are they praying to God or to 'a god that is NOT a god?...because it doesn't seem to me anymore, that just because they are saying god and/or jesus.....that they really mean God and Jesus ...of the Word of Truth. Does this make sense? It doesn't seem to mean that they pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So, for me it was important to realize that Our God does not have a name, 'god' is a title refering to diety, or refering to 'one who has been given authority over our minds/hearts/lives/nation etc. Yes, I do say I believe in AND follow God...and when I do, I know who I am refering to, but when I hear others say, I pay attention to what they are saying about Him. I am learning to see that His Character is His name, He is Truth, Holiness and all that all Good .....that is Truely Good is Him and comes from Him and it is important that the God we believe in lines up with this in every way, according to the Word.

It’s the root cause we need to get to, and that’s the brokenness of humanity. The only way evil can be restrained is by God and the teaching of religious and Judeo-Christian values.”

In an article posted at Movieguide.org, Movieguide Publisher Ted Baehr wrote that by removing God, the Bible, the Ten Commandments, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit from society, including the mass media and the schools, “We are raising generations of people with no faith in God or Jesus and, hence, no moral conscience and no self-control.”

If so many people have no faith, no moral conscience and no self-control, then it’s no wonder society is suffering from all these mass murders by “evil lone gunmen,” Baehr wrote.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Its the root causes we need to explore!

Is it in part perhaps, that People are not submitting themselves to working of the Holy Spirit and understanding that Grace is more than forgiveness, it is the Power working in us. When we say we can Not do it (keep the commandments), we are correct, but when we say, I can do ALL Things Through Christ who strengthens me, then we are understanding were our help comes from and that we can, through God's Grace and Christ our Lord, do what God Commands. I aslo agreee with this statement above...Only God can wake up our conscience and help us, we learn self control by learning obedience to God's Word. Perhaps Accountability should be talked about more as well. What parent out there has every succussfuly raised a child without teaching to that child, among other things, that they are accountable to us when they break the rules we have set for them. Is God not a even Greater and More Loving God when He teaches us accountability to Him. I started thinking about this in part after I watched an interview with Jeffrey Dahmer and they asked him if there was anything that his parents could of have done that he felt would have made a difference and he said basically, that he always believed in evolution and tthat since he came from sludge he would return to sludge, so he no call or pull to be better or different than what he because.....he had no conscience..... he said, once he heard about Jesus and heheard that he was going to be held accountable for all his actions, he said....accountability had never occured to him and if he had known it, it could have made a difference.

Baehr told WND he wasn’t surprised by the news reports that Lanza purportedly “worshipped the devil” and played violent video games.

telling people to stay away from violent video games is considered legalism by many....and this is just one example of what many member's of the body consider "legalism". In the earlier years of raising my kids, my conscience and common sense told me Not to let my kids play these, but then, everyone around me considered in legalistic and I was torn. I didn't even consider at the time that it may have been the Holy Spirit talking to me. So I have to wonder on some level if our definition of legalism off? I know we can go to far over into this field as well and kill the love in our hearts by becoming all about 'rules'.....but it seems to me there is or perhaps should be a balance to be found in this area....Commandments and Faith in Gods Love working it out in us. I mean, if we love what God loves and we know that what God loves is the only Truth for us, then wouldn't the turning away from unrighteous things be a natural thing. Like when our parents tell us drugs are bad and we listen because we trust them and love them and so, we can see with our own hearts that they are not lying, they are telling the truth and we naturally turn away from them, aren't we saved from disaster out of ......first love that leads to obedience/respect/wisdom...so on.

“I do believe that right now what America desperately needs is what we used to call an old-fashioned revival,” Scarborough said. “There will have to be a reawakening to biblical norms and biblical values. When President Obama prayed last week on behalf of the victims in Newton, Conn., and invoked God’s name, he appealed to God, but this is the same person whose party tried to eliminate God from its political platform.

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How can we believe he prayed to our God, when he supports so many other beleifs that are not part of the Holy Character of our God? What 'name' did he invoke? Our God has no one specific name and now I can understand why He never gave Himself an exact name, but revealed Himself through each Truth of His Character as it is revealed in His Word and why "Walking with Lord" is a our calling, we learn Him and His Truth in His Character as we continually draw near.

Isnt' this what Jesus meant when He said,

John 14:12-14

The Answered Prayer

¹² “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. ¹³ And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. ¹⁴ If you ask^[a] anything in My name, I will do it.

Is He telling us here that we ask according to His Name, as in His Character..........God's Perfect Will, Truth. Anything that we ask according to God's Word..........

“We have now a God of convenience. When we want God to bless us or want to acknowledge God in some way to encourage people, we’ll invoke his name until the cows come home,” Scarborough said. “But God is not a puppet. He’s to be feared and adhered to and his laws, which are irrefutable, must be obeyed.”

Rather than looking just at external solutions like more gun control, Foster says, everyone needs to look deeply into the “wickedness in our own hearts”

I agree! I Pray for us all.......Father God, please help us to know you in Truth and please, with your right Hand Guide us by the Power of your Grace, work in us both to Will and Do, wake up your laws written in our minds and in our hearts and teach us follow YOU in all YOUR ways, in Truth and Love and Obedience. Help us to see ourselves as you see us and grant us repentance..... teach us to hate sin as you hate sin, help us to love your laws without legalism and without hypocracy. Apart from our Savior we can do nothing, without you we have No Hope, Please Father, return us to our hope, help us to adore You and recongnize Your Truths, please father, do not let us be decieved, give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we also forgive those who trespass against us, lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL, For YOURS and YOURS ALONE is the Kingdom, The Power and The Glory, You and You Alone are worthy to be Praised, In the Name of our Precious Savior who Is Your Word, We Pray.

I am Praying for all those involved in this terrible tragedy and for all of us who are so desperate within ourselves to find the root cause of the illeness that has fallen upon us and turn to The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ask for His help in finding our way Home.

Thank You for sharing!

Grace and Peace to You!

Edited December 27, 2012 by Peacemaker2012

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Those of you who want to discuss mental illness, please start another thread. Thank you.

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There are a number of individuals who frequent the Boards who critisize WND as slanted, biased, and misleading. So maybe you may not want to read this article as it may contradict your opinion.

Amid national soul searching in the wake of one of the worst mass shootings in American history, faith leaders say the removal of God from the nation’s schools and communities is at the root of this monstrous tragedy.

Marshall Foster, a Christian historian, founder of the World History Institute and author of the introduction to the newly-republished 1599 Geneva Bible, says he’s sick of the media’s attempt to make excuses for Adam Lanza’s mass murder of school children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

In the face of all the “politically correct mumbo jumbo,” Foster says the culprit is “not an imbalance of chemical enzymes in Lanza’s brain; the culprit is Lanza’s sin nature.”

For years, public schools have been teaching children that evil does not reside in their souls and is therefore, by default, circumstantial, Foster says, and according to this misguided worldview, there must have been something circumstantially that caused Lanza to shoot innocent children.

“So when we look at the tragedy that just took place and we start blaming … we immediately go to guns and other purported causes,” Foster told WND. “We go to some external cause: It’s his psychology, it’s his mother, it’s the divorce. It’s something outside, instead of looking at the real cause, which for thousands of years since the time of Christ, people have understood to be good and evil.”

Mankind, Foster says, always looks for excuses “outside himself,” but he never wants to face the “demons in his own soul.”

“If Lanza’s mass murder of innocents is given a pass, what about the thousands of Nazis who killed six million Jews? Did all of them have autism too? Or is the Holocaust not prima facie evidence of the very existence of evil?” Foster asked.

A number of faith leaders in the past week have weighed in on the spiritual dimensions of what may have motivated Lanza, 20, to kill his mother, 20 children and six adults at the school before killing himself.

As police seek a motive, the London Daily Mail reported Dec. 19 that a former classmate claimed Lanza “worshipped the devil and had an online page dedicated to Satan.”

In a blog posts earlier this week, New York Times bestselling author Joel Rosenberg – author of “Implosion: Can America Recover from Its Economic and Spiritual Challenges in Time?” – wrote the slaying is the 18th mass murder this year.

“The demons of violence and lawlessness are on the loose all across America – in Newton, Conn., …in Aurora, Colo., … in Oak Creek, Wis., … just as they were in Littleton, Colo., and at Virginia Tech in years gone by,” Rosenberg wrote. “But why? How is it possible that violent crime in the United States has surged by more than 400 percent since 1960?

“The answer is as painful as it is simple: The further we turn away from God in our nation – the further we drive Him out of our society, out of our schools and courts, and out of our media and out of our homes, or the more we give mere lip service to religion, the more men are ‘holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power’ (2 Timothy 3:5) – the worse things are getting.”

Mike Huckabee, a former Republican presidential candidate, governor of Arkansas, bestselling author and host of the Fox News Channel talk show “Huckabee,” said on Fox that Americans are asking why there is so much violence “in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools.”

“Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?” Huckabee asked. “We don’t have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem. And since we’ve ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn’t act so surprised … when all hell breaks loose.”

Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, told WND that the shooting and similar ones in recent years are indicative of the nature of evil, and, “When evil is unrestrained, these are the kinds of unbelievable human tragedies that we see.”

“The Founders believed that religion and morality were necessary for a government of limited authority, which provides a lot of freedoms,” Staver says. “Without religion and morality as the base, they knew the government would devolve into chaos. We have to be a self-restrained people with morals. And the way people would be moral is through the teaching of Judeo-Christian values and beliefs and that there is a God to whom they are accountable.”

But schools no longer teach the Ten Commandments, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled school prayer was unconstitutional in 1962. As long as the nation continues to “marginalize God” in its public life, Staver says, the country can expect “more and more of these types of tragedies.”

“The solution is not to create more laws restricting guns,” Staver says. “If you restrict guns, people will use knives. If you restrict knives, people will use explosives. Those are only tools that people use, and those are not the problem. It’s the root cause we need to get to, and that’s the brokenness of humanity. The only way evil can be restrained is by God and the teaching of religious and Judeo-Christian values.”

In an article posted at Movieguide.org, Movieguide Publisher Ted Baehr wrote that by removing God, the Bible, the Ten Commandments, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit from society, including the mass media and the schools, “We are raising generations of people with no faith in God or Jesus and, hence, no moral conscience and no self-control.”

If so many people have no faith, no moral conscience and no self-control, then it’s no wonder society is suffering from all these mass murders by “evil lone gunmen,” Baehr wrote.

Baehr told WND he wasn’t surprised by the news reports that Lanza purportedly “worshipped the devil” and played violent video games.

“In my first book, ‘The Media-Wise Family,’ I have a whole chapter about opening yourself up to demonic possession,” Baehr said. “The forces of darkness would like nothing more than for someone to kill their mother and little children. It’s always been the goal of the adversary to kill, steal and destroy.”

Rick Scarborough, a pastor and the president and founder of Vision America, told WND that “our culture had better recognize quickly that God has a role to play in protecting us” and instead of “slapping God on every hand,” the nation needs to repent and turn back to God.

“I do believe that right now what America desperately needs is what we used to call an old-fashioned revival,” Scarborough said. “There will have to be a reawakening to biblical norms and biblical values. When President Obama prayed last week on behalf of the victims in Newton, Conn., and invoked God’s name, he appealed to God, but this is the same person whose party tried to eliminate God from its political platform.

“We have now a God of convenience. When we want God to bless us or want to acknowledge God in some way to encourage people, we’ll invoke his name until the cows come home,” Scarborough said. “But God is not a puppet. He’s to be feared and adhered to and his laws, which are irrefutable, must be obeyed.”

Rather than looking just at external solutions like more gun control, Foster says, everyone needs to look deeply into the “wickedness in our own hearts” at the root of not only this tragedy, but a series of intensifying and horrific incidents in recent decades.

“It’s not just (Lanza’s) heart; it’s not this one man – Adam – that we should be looking at,” Foster says. “It should be ourselves. What do we allow our children to sit in when we send them to a public school that doesn’t teach them moral principles? What kind of character do we have as a people, not just looking at Connecticut, when we allow a government to steal our wealth and money and allow babies by the millions to die in abortion, and when we allow the basic moral precepts of Christian civilization to be destroyed in a couple of generations?

“What kind of moral character do we have, and is it not ultimately our sin?” Foster asks. “We’ve got to own up to it – especially the Baby Boomers. Of all generations, there has never been a more blessed, physically blessed generation, than the Baby Boomers of World War II, and that’s my generation, and we are the most accountable. I believe we’re going to have to face God Almighty for what we have allowed to happen to our country.”

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It’s not just (Lanza’s) heart; it’s not this one man – Adam – that we should be looking at,” Foster says. “It should be ourselves

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What in the world are we being accuse of for the actions of Adam Lanza ?

This is far fetched.

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the Baby Boomers of World War II, and that’s my generation, and we are the most accountable. I believe we’re going to have to face God Almighty for what we have allowed to happen to our country.”

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You should look at the music and movie industry, television , and politicians who run this country that put the filth out there and ommit God.

I am a baby boomer and will not take the blame for the run of this country.

I am clean before God.

[Guest man]

the Baby Boomers of World War II, and that’s my generation, and we are the most accountable. I believe we’re going to have to face God Almighty for what we have allowed to happen to our country.”

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You should look at the music and movie industry, television , and politicians who run this country that put the filth out there and ommit God.

I am a baby boomer and will not take the blame for the run of this country.

I am clean before God.

I'm with you on this one.

I refuse to believe I'm accountable for what that guy did to those kids and teachers.

[Guest]

I don't think that the author is placing blame on you or me personally. There were at least 60 million baby boomers and I would hazard a quess that at least half of them participated in the "times" of sex, drugs, rock and roll, don't discipline your kids, no accountability, apostate Christianity.......need I go on? His point is that our generation is the generation that allowed a very small minority of athiests and GLBTs to over rule the majority.

[Guest man]

I don't think that the author is placing blame on you or me personally. There were at least 60 million baby boomers and I would hazard a quess that at least half of them participated in the "times" of sex, drugs, rock and roll, don't discipline your kids, no accountability, apostate Christianity.......need I go on? His point is that our generation is the generation that allowed a very small minority of athiests and GLBTs to over rule the majority.

I believe the Constitution did that.

[joi]

To answer your title question, yes, sin is the issue.

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I don't think that the author is placing blame on you or me personally. There were at least 60 million baby boomers and I would hazard a quess that at least half of them participated in the "times" of sex, drugs, rock and roll, don't discipline your kids, no accountability, apostate Christianity.......need I go on? His point is that our generation is the generation that allowed a very small minority of athiests and GLBTs to over rule the majority.

And lets not forget divorces in most families, that started back in the late 70's . My ex and I were separated in 1979 and 80..divorced.

Seemed so many couples were getting divorces and still is an on going thing....some families become disfuntional as a result to a divorce.

Then to mention.. some women have to go out and work, spending less time with children.

Children are watching and hearing so much garbage..today...everywhere. Television , movie and music industry ...they see and hear all ungodly things.

Then, People participating in ungodly things.

I am not accountable of what another person does , or the way our country is today.

I need not have to feel guilty for someone elses corruption and errors.,...or carry their sins .

[Guest]

I don't think that the author is placing blame on you or me personally. There were at least 60 million baby boomers and I would hazard a quess that at least half of them participated in the "times" of sex, drugs, rock and roll, don't discipline your kids, no accountability, apostate Christianity.......need I go on? His point is that our generation is the generation that allowed a very small minority of athiests and GLBTs to over rule the majority.

I believe the Constitution did that.

Baloney

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I don't think that the author is placing blame on you or me personally. There were at least 60 million baby boomers and I would hazard a quess that at least half of them participated in the "times" of sex, drugs, rock and roll, don't discipline your kids, no accountability, apostate Christianity.......need I go on? His point is that our generation is the generation that allowed a very small minority of athiests and GLBTs to over rule the majority.

And lets not forget divorces in most families, that started back in the late 70's . My ex and I were separated in 1979 and 80..divorced.

Seemed so many couples were getting divorces and still is an on going thing....some families become disfuntional as a result to a divorce.

Then to mention.. some women have to go out and work, spending less time with children.

Children are watching and hearing so much garbage..today...everywhere. Television , movie and music industry ...they see and hear all ungodly things.

Then, People participating in ungodly things.

I am not accountable of what another person does , or the way our country is today.

I need not have to feel guilty for someone elses corruption and errors.,...or carry their sins .

Nobody is asking anyone to feel guilty for someone else's deeds. Me thinks thy protest too much.

Edited December 29, 2012 by GoldenEagle
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