Gandalf Posted May 28, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2013 This could be the last straw for America. The Bible says that all the nations who do not support Israel will be destroyed. Obama does not support Israel and tried to divide the land allready. We know America is in bad shape with abortion gay marriage and an administration that is constantly deceiving people. We are in the end times season and must support Israel. Please pray that our leaders who do not support Israel to change quickly or there will be devastating consequences. We all need to wake up now and always be ready for the Rapture. You are mistaking Old Israel, which rejected Christ the Messiah, for the New Israel of God, all those who are redeemed in Christ. The latter are destined for eternal life; all others will ultimately meet only destruction, be they Jews or Gentiles. There is no "new Israel." That is called "replacement theology" and is a theological heresy. Israel is Israel. The Church is the Church. The Bible never calls the Church, "Israel." Sorry, but you are simply wrong; theological name-calling does not change that! the new Testament writers are very clear that the Church is the new Israel, the new Jerusalem. There is no salvation outside of faith in Christ Jesus, for Jews or Gentiles; to say otherwise is the most obvious heresy. Where is the Biblical evidence of this? For clarification Worthy is a ministry that just happens to have a discussion forum (WCF). This ministry is privately owned and funded by a pastor (George) in Israel. God bless, GE The Biblical evidence that salvation is through Christ alone, for Jew or Gentile, is overwhelming! Or do you believe that individual Jews can be saved by another means? Sorry for clarification I do believe that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. However, where in the Bible is the evidence that the Church is the new Israel? The comment I bolded above? God bless, GE The whole of the New Testament presents the Church as the new Israel of God, God's peculiar people, destined for eternal salvation, whilst demonstrating God's heart and ways in the here and now. Christ saves "a people" to be His bride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted May 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2013 This could be the last straw for America. The Bible says that all the nations who do not support Israel will be destroyed. Obama does not support Israel and tried to divide the land allready. We know America is in bad shape with abortion gay marriage and an administration that is constantly deceiving people. We are in the end times season and must support Israel. Please pray that our leaders who do not support Israel to change quickly or there will be devastating consequences. We all need to wake up now and always be ready for the Rapture. You are mistaking Old Israel, which rejected Christ the Messiah, for the New Israel of God, all those who are redeemed in Christ. The latter are destined for eternal life; all others will ultimately meet only destruction, be they Jews or Gentiles. There is no "new Israel." That is called "replacement theology" and is a theological heresy. Israel is Israel. The Church is the Church. The Bible never calls the Church, "Israel." Sorry, but you are simply wrong; theological name-calling does not change that! the new Testament writers are very clear that the Church is the new Israel, the new Jerusalem. There is no salvation outside of faith in Christ Jesus, for Jews or Gentiles; to say otherwise is the most obvious heresy. Where is the Biblical evidence of this? For clarification Worthy is a ministry that just happens to have a discussion forum (WCF). This ministry is privately owned and funded by a pastor (George) in Israel. God bless, GE The Biblical evidence that salvation is through Christ alone, for Jew or Gentile, is overwhelming! Or do you believe that individual Jews can be saved by another means? Sorry for clarification I do believe that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. However, where in the Bible is the evidence that the Church is the new Israel? The comment I bolded above? God bless, GE The whole of the New Testament presents the Church as the new Israel of God, God's peculiar people, destined for eternal salvation, whilst demonstrating God's heart and ways in the here and now. Christ saves "a people" to be His bride. Interesting. Where is this found in Scripture then? What specific passages support this claim? God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted May 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2013 For reference see this thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf Posted May 28, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2013 This could be the last straw for America. The Bible says that all the nations who do not support Israel will be destroyed. Obama does not support Israel and tried to divide the land allready. We know America is in bad shape with abortion gay marriage and an administration that is constantly deceiving people. We are in the end times season and must support Israel. Please pray that our leaders who do not support Israel to change quickly or there will be devastating consequences. We all need to wake up now and always be ready for the Rapture. You are mistaking Old Israel, which rejected Christ the Messiah, for the New Israel of God, all those who are redeemed in Christ. The latter are destined for eternal life; all others will ultimately meet only destruction, be they Jews or Gentiles. There is no "new Israel." That is called "replacement theology" and is a theological heresy. Israel is Israel. The Church is the Church. The Bible never calls the Church, "Israel." Sorry, but you are simply wrong; theological name-calling does not change that! the new Testament writers are very clear that the Church is the new Israel, the new Jerusalem. There is no salvation outside of faith in Christ Jesus, for Jews or Gentiles; to say otherwise is the most obvious heresy. Where is the Biblical evidence of this? For clarification Worthy is a ministry that just happens to have a discussion forum (WCF). This ministry is privately owned and funded by a pastor (George) in Israel. God bless, GE The Biblical evidence that salvation is through Christ alone, for Jew or Gentile, is overwhelming! Or do you believe that individual Jews can be saved by another means? Sorry for clarification I do believe that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. However, where in the Bible is the evidence that the Church is the new Israel? The comment I bolded above? God bless, GE The whole of the New Testament presents the Church as the new Israel of God, God's peculiar people, destined for eternal salvation, whilst demonstrating God's heart and ways in the here and now. Christ saves "a people" to be His bride. Interesting. Where is this found in Scripture then? What specific passages support this claim? God bless, GE It is the whole tenor of the New Testament, not based on some pet "proof texts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted May 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2013 The whole of the New Testament presents the Church as the new Israel of God, God's peculiar people, destined for eternal salvation, whilst demonstrating God's heart and ways in the here and now. Christ saves "a people" to be His bride. Interesting. Where is this found in Scripture then? What specific passages support this claim? God bless, GE It is the whole tenor of the New Testament, not based on some pet "proof texts". Sorry but simply stating something generally as seen in the New Testament without providing any backing is not really adding to the discussion. It is not proof texting when one actually delves into the text in context to understand the roles of God, Jesus Christ, the Church, and Israel. Further, I would invite you to read our Statement of Faith... God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 This could be the last straw for America. The Bible says that all the nations who do not support Israel will be destroyed. Obama does not support Israel and tried to divide the land allready. We know America is in bad shape with abortion gay marriage and an administration that is constantly deceiving people. We are in the end times season and must support Israel. Please pray that our leaders who do not support Israel to change quickly or there will be devastating consequences. We all need to wake up now and always be ready for the Rapture. You are mistaking Old Israel, which rejected Christ the Messiah, for the New Israel of God, all those who are redeemed in Christ. The latter are destined for eternal life; all others will ultimately meet only destruction, be they Jews or Gentiles. There is no "new Israel." That is called "replacement theology" and is a theological heresy. Israel is Israel. The Church is the Church. The Bible never calls the Church, "Israel." Sorry, but you are simply wrong; theological name-calling does not change that! the new Testament writers are very clear that the Church is the new Israel, the new Jerusalem. There is no salvation outside of faith in Christ Jesus, for Jews or Gentiles; to say otherwise is the most obvious heresy. There is not ONE place in the 71 places where Israel is mentinoed in the New Testament that the church is called "Israel." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 This could be the last straw for America. The Bible says that all the nations who do not support Israel will be destroyed. Obama does not support Israel and tried to divide the land allready. We know America is in bad shape with abortion gay marriage and an administration that is constantly deceiving people. We are in the end times season and must support Israel. Please pray that our leaders who do not support Israel to change quickly or there will be devastating consequences. We all need to wake up now and always be ready for the Rapture. You are mistaking Old Israel, which rejected Christ the Messiah, for the New Israel of God, all those who are redeemed in Christ. The latter are destined for eternal life; all others will ultimately meet only destruction, be they Jews or Gentiles. There is no "new Israel." That is called "replacement theology" and is a theological heresy. Israel is Israel. The Church is the Church. The Bible never calls the Church, "Israel." Sorry, but you are simply wrong; theological name-calling does not change that! the new Testament writers are very clear that the Church is the new Israel, the new Jerusalem. There is no salvation outside of faith in Christ Jesus, for Jews or Gentiles; to say otherwise is the most obvious heresy. Where is the Biblical evidence of this? For clarification Worthy is a ministry that just happens to have a discussion forum (WCF). This ministry is privately owned and funded by a pastor (George) in Israel. God bless, GE The Biblical evidence that salvation is through Christ alone, for Jew or Gentile, is overwhelming! Or do you believe that individual Jews can be saved by another means? Sorry for clarification I do believe that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. However, where in the Bible is the evidence that the Church is the new Israel? The comment I bolded above? God bless, GE The whole of the New Testament presents the Church as the new Israel of God, God's peculiar people, destined for eternal salvation, whilst demonstrating God's heart and ways in the here and now. Christ saves "a people" to be His bride. Interesting. Where is this found in Scripture then? What specific passages support this claim? God bless, GE It is the whole tenor of the New Testament, not based on some pet "proof texts". What proof texts might you be referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted May 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Gandalf, you made the statement, now please back it up with scripture, otherwise they are just empty words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf Posted May 29, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 29, 2013 Over the years I have found it important to take the whole tenor of the New Testament into consideration rather than relying on pet "proof-texts". The latter seem to lead only to error on the one hand and petty bickering on the other. If you want Scriptural "proof", then I can only respond "read the New Testament". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted May 29, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 29, 2013 Over the years I have found it important to take the whole tenor of the New Testament into consideration rather than relying on pet "proof-texts". The latter seem to lead only to error on the one hand and petty bickering on the other. If you want Scriptural "proof", then I can only respond "read the New Testament". Perhaps it would be best not to engage in discussions you don't plan on providing evidence (Biblical or otherwise) to back such claims as made previously. You said the Church replaced Israel. We asked for evidence and you simply say "Read the New Testament." I personally have read the New Testament and see nothing of what you're trying to say regarding the Church replacing Israel. Sorry. I'm sure others would tend to agree it doesn't really support your position or provide an environment for good discussions. God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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