guysmith Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/28/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) Edited June 4, 2013 by guysmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2013 Guy The 2,300 days of Dan 8:11 were fulfilled in the time of Antiochus Epiphanes the Syrian king (Dan 11), one of the four horns of Dan 8:8. One needs to read the interpretation of the dream Daniel had, which is in Dan 8:15-27. The two horned ram are the kings of Media and Persia, the goat and his successors are the king of Greece and his 4 generals who replaced him. The A/C is revealed when he has a fatal wound which becomes healed, per Rev 13:3,4. He only exercises his authority for 42 months (Rev 13:5). He is the one who signs a 7 year covenant with many (Dan 9:27), and in the middle of the week he sets up the A/D. So his authority is only in the first 1/2 of the 70th week. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnomonist Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 272 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/29/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2013 Guy The 2,300 days of Dan 8:11 were fulfilled in the time of Antiochus Epiphanes the Syrian king (Dan 11), one of the four horns of Dan 8:8. One needs to read the interpretation of the dream Daniel had, which is in Dan 8:15-27. The two horned ram are the kings of Media and Persia, the goat and his successors are the king of Greece and his 4 generals who replaced him. The A/C is revealed when he has a fatal wound which becomes healed, per Rev 13:3,4. He only exercises his authority for 42 months (Rev 13:5). He is the one who signs a 7 year covenant with many (Dan 9:27), and in the middle of the week he sets up the A/D. So his authority is only in the first 1/2 of the 70th week. In Christ Montana Marv ______________________________________________________________ The thing to keep in mind, though, is that prophecy has more than one fulfilment oftentimes. While what you say is true, that does not prevent it's future significance as well. Taking prophecy historically is the stance that Preterists folk take (e.g. the 70AD date), and thus is impossible to convince them that there is yet future things to take place. But as long as the end is not yet, and there are no new heavens and earth yet, then bible prophecy is relevant today, and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guysmith Posted June 6, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/28/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) Guy The 2,300 days of Dan 8:11 were fulfilled in the time of Antiochus Epiphanes the Syrian king (Dan 11), one of the four horns of Dan 8:8. One needs to read the interpretation of the dream Daniel had, which is in Dan 8:15-27. The two horned ram are the kings of Media and Persia, the goat and his successors are the king of Greece and his 4 generals who replaced him. In Christ Montana Marv Hello Montana, Sorry, I disagree. In Yehoshua, Guy Smith Edited June 6, 2013 by guysmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guysmith Posted June 6, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/28/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 The thing to keep in mind, though, is that prophecy has more than one fulfilment oftentimes. While what you say is true, that does not prevent it's future significance as well. Taking prophecy historically is the stance that Preterists folk take (e.g. the 70AD date), and thus is impossible to convince them that there is yet future things to take place. But as long as the end is not yet, and there are no new heavens and earth yet, then bible prophecy is relevant today, and now. Hello Gnomonist, Any thoughts on why God would provide end time believers with intricate time line information? In Yehoshua, Guy Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnomonist Posted June 8, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 272 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/29/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2013 The thing to keep in mind, though, is that prophecy has more than one fulfilment oftentimes. While what you say is true, that does not prevent it's future significance as well. Taking prophecy historically is the stance that Preterists folk take (e.g. the 70AD date), and thus is impossible to convince them that there is yet future things to take place. But as long as the end is not yet, and there are no new heavens and earth yet, then bible prophecy is relevant today, and now. Hello Gnomonist, Any thoughts on why God would provide end time believers with intricate time line information? In Yehoshua, Guy Smith I'm not sure yet, but I suppose for the same reason he sets times and seasons (which were changed). You hear so many people claim that God is in eternity, and that time does not matter to him, and yet the facts of scripture does not support this, at least in this world and period of history. He does things by his "set times" such as dying on Passover, Buried for Unleavened Bread, raising at the dawn (sundown) of Firstfruits (Sabbath evening), and his same Spirit coming at Pentecost. And I know the times of the end will be by those same set times, in the autumn. I suppose at face value its sort of like an appointment, to see if we keep them or not. But I don't believe that God is just waiting to be upset if we break a feast day or sabbath by a minute or are in some way ignorant or clumsy in doing so. Of course he wants to meet us by these times. But I think it goes deeper than just the obedience thing (which don't get me wrong is very important). There's something about time in this realm that God decides to work through, a portal of sorts. And it seems to be the dimension connecting to eternity. But that's just my impressions. But for the pragmatic answer to your question, "Any thoughts on why God would provide end time believers with intricate time line information?" The answer of course is to be ready, so that as Paul stated it would not come as a thief to us and to be prepared for the coming Kingdom. But pragmatism and what it accomplishes is not the inner reason for God's apparent obsession with time and the seasons. It's just the means to resonate with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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