Guest DRS81 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 For example, say Bob lives a holy life for 10 good years in Christ. Then he suddenly falls into a willful sin. It's a small sin but regardless it was willful. One day he goes to the grocery store. The store gets robbed, and the gunman shoots Bob in the head before Bob can repent. Bob the believer is still on his way to heaven. How do you know that? Where in the bible does it state that we are free to commit sin? Where does it say that sinners go to heaven? There is nowhere in the Bible that says we are free to commit sin. You are asking that because that is what you believe OSAS is saying, and that's simply not true. However, the believer has already been forgiven (past/present/future sins) at the cross when he accepted Jesus into his heart. Eph 1:13-14 and Romans 8:1 is a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6, 2014 Romans 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified Romans 8:38-39 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[a]have eternal life. If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life but lose it tomorrow then it was never eternal.Then the Bible would be in error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The loss of your salvation is permanent but the security of your salvation is permanent? The loss of rewards at the Bema seat might happen, but security in your salvation on this old earth is permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There is nowhere in the Bible that says we are free to commit sin. You are asking that because that is what you believe OSAS is saying, and that's simply not true. However, the believer has already been forgiven (past/present/future sins) at the cross when he accepted Jesus into his heart. Eph 1:13-14 and Romans 8:1 is a good start. Romans 8 1Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Romans 8:30 Romans 10:9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6, 2014 Romans 8:30 Romans 10:9 Hey I am working on this.My computer is really,really slow so it is taking me a minute to get it all together Romans 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified Romans 8:38-39 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[a]have eternal life. If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life but lose it tomorrow then it was never eternal.Then the Bible would be in error. So what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There is nowhere in the Bible that says we are free to commit sin. You are asking that because that is what you believe OSAS is saying, and that's simply not true. However, the believer has already been forgiven (past/present/future sins) at the cross when he accepted Jesus into his heart. Eph 1:13-14 and Romans 8:1 is a good start. Romans 8 1Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God Wha? No Romans 8:1 is Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Ephesians 1 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. So you believe this passage gives you authority to commit willful sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Ephesians 1 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. So you believe this passage gives you authority to commit willful sin? No, again you're asking that because that's what you believe. You're adding more to the doctrine OSAS that isn't there. It's simply stating the security of our salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There is nowhere in the Bible that says we are free to commit sin. You are asking that because that is what you believe OSAS is saying, and that's simply not true. However, the believer has already been forgiven (past/present/future sins) at the cross when he accepted Jesus into his heart. Eph 1:13-14 and Romans 8:1 is a good start. Romans 8 1Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God Wha? No Romans 8:1 is Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. My bad. The 1 kinda stuck in my head. Ok, let's look at this. Romans 8 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Willful sin is walking according to the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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