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But it says "On the day of his preparation" what does this mean?

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Wow! Revelation could be seen literally and symbolically. Well to me, looking at world events, we have gone through the seven seals and up to part of the 6th trumpet sound except the part of the two witnesses which remains obscure to me. Are the two witnesses the Protestant and Orthodox churches? Well as for the 7th trumpet, no one knows when it will begin to sound.

Did I miss something here? When did we go through the 6th seal?

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Pls what do you all think about Matthew chapter 24 verse 29. Does the prophecy imply being literal or symbolic? I have my own symbolic interpretation but I don't know your own opinions. I will gladly quote the passage. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky and the powers of space will be shaken" Concerning the part which says the moon will not shine, on my own opinion it means Islam will cease as a common religion or will cease to dominate the earth since the moon is a symbol of Islam. Islam will not give its light. I don't know the part about the sun but it should also be symbolic. The stars, in prophecy represents an angel. So the stars of heaven that will fall are perhaps fallen angels or spirits of the sky or gods that will lose their position in heavens. This may mean that worship of idols will cease. The powers of space or the heavens are perhaps the planets or stars or hosts. They will be shaken. The ancient Romans worshipped gods which had the name of planets for example Mercury the messenger of the gods and Jupiter the king. So the powers of heaven being shaken may mean that the planets which represent Roman gods will be shaken from their course. It may mean that Roman worship of gods or idolatry as a whole will cease to exist. Whereby God will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed. Islam and other pagan forms of worship will stop during or after the tribulation of those days. Pls I need your opinions.

Read Revelation 6:12

 

Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 
Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 
Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 
Rev 6:15  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 
Rev 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 
Rev 6:17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? 
 
This is talking about the Day of the Lord at the end of the trumpet judgments that comes in 2015 or  2016.
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Matt 24:29 refers to Revelation 6 and the sixth seal.
Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 
Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 
Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 
Rev 6:15  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 
Rev 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 
Rev 6:17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? 
 
The description of the breaking of the sixth seal alludes to descriptions of the end of the world found in Isa_2:10-12, Isa_2:19, Isa_13:10, Isa_34:4, Isa_50:3; Jer_4:23-29; Joe_3:4 (Joe_2:31), Rev_4:15 (Rev_3:15); Nah_1:5-6; Hag_2:6 (compare Mat_24:29, Luk_23:30). 
The fury of the Lamb will be fearful because the Lamb is also a Lion (see Rev_5:5-6). According to Joh_5:22, Act_17:31, Rom_2:16 and 2Co_5:10 God has entrusted judgment to this Lion/Lamb. It will take place on the Great Day, also known as the Day of the Lord (Rev_1:10 above, 2Th_2:2, 2Pe_3:10, and more than a dozen places in the Tanakh), the Day of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah (1Co_1:8), the Day of our Lord Yeshua (2Co_1:14), the Day of the Messiah (Php_1:10), the Great Day of Adonai-Tzva'ot (Rev_16:14 below, Isa_2:12, Jer_46:10), the Day of Anger (Rom_2:5; Zep_1:18, Zep_2:2-3; Lam_2:22), and the Day of Judgment (Mat_10:15, 2Pe_2:9, 1Jn_4:17 and five other places in the New Testament). 
On the Great Day... who can stand? Those of the world who glory in their power will realize that it was all an illusion. Even weak people who manipulate and try to gain power in small ways will be revealed for what they are. Only those who restrict "praise, honor, glory and power" to God and the Lamb (Rev_5:13), will survive their fury.
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Revelation contains symbolism and could refer to both past and future. For example about the dragon and the woman. John the beloved made it clear that the dragon drew one third of stars with his tail and cast them to earth. Now consider the time of Satan's rebellion, when he came down from the high position one third of angels followed him. That was a past event and that was what John refered to here. Revelation, though is much of future events but it uses past events perhaps to make the future more clearer like the aspect of the woman fleeing to the wilderness, I believe it happened when Israel was on exile in foreign nations until 1948 perhaps when it was re-established as a nation. I don't believe in preterism but I believe that to make the future or present clearer, one must refer to the past.

 

Revelation 12
    1-5 Whether favoring literal or figurative interpretation of the book of Revelation, nearly all commentators agree that these verses depict the birth of Yeshua the Messiah and his ascension to heaven after being resurrected. This means that Revelation is not simply a presentation of future events in chronological order, since this passage flashes back to past history.
     The church, under the emblem of a woman, the mother of believers, was seen by the apostle in vision, in heaven. She was clothed with the sun, justified, sanctified, and shining by union with Christ, the Sun of Righteousness. The moon was under her feet; she was superior to the reflected and feebler light of the revelation made by Moses. Having on her head a crown of twelve stars; the doctrine of the gospel, preached by the twelve apostles, is a crown of glory to all true believers.
   It also refers to the second coming of Christ in 2017.
 
 Coming of Christ:  (1.) with reference to his first advent "in the fulness of the time" (1 John 5:20; 2 John 7), or (2.) with reference to his coming again the second time at the last day (Acts 1:11; 3:20, 21; 1 Thess. 4:15; 2 Tim. 4:1; Heb. 9:28). The expression is used metaphorically of the introduction of the gospel into any place (John 15:22; Eph. 2:17), the visible establishment of his kingdom in the world (Matt. 16:28), the conferring on his people of the peculiar tokens of his love (John 14: 18, 23, 28), and his executing judgment on the wicked (2 Thess. 2:8). 
     Virgo is the sixth constellation of the Zodiac. It has been associated with agriculture, the planting season and the harvest.  The curve of the handle of the Big Dipper, if extended from its tip, points to the first-magnitude star Arcturus. The same curve extended a similar distance beyond Arcturus points out Spica. 
   The sun passes through the constellation from the 14th of September to the 29th of October; and during this time.
    Seed of the Woman, the Desire of nations, Man of double nature in humiliation, exalted Shepherd and Harvester.
 Branch:  a symbol of kings descended from royal ancestors (Ezek. 17:3, 10; Dan. 11:7); of prosperity (Job 8:16); of the Messiah, a branch out of the root of the stem of Jesse (Isa. 11:1), the "beautiful branch" (4:2), a "righteous branch" (Jer. 23:5), "the Branch" (Zech. 3:8; 6:12). Disciples are branches of the true vine (John 15:5, 6). "The branch of the terrible ones" (Isa. 25:5) is rightly translated in the Revised Version "the song of the terrible ones," i.e., the song of victory shall be brought low by the destruction of Babylon and the return of the Jews from captivity. The "abominable branch" is a tree on which a malefactor has been hanged (Isa. 14:19). The "highest branch" in Ezek. 17:3 represents Jehoiakim the king. 
Isa 4:2.  In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
 
 
 
1. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun (Ps 104:2), and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Virgo. Leo has 9 stars.
    In total, the Book of Revelation pictures four different women: (1) Jezebel, the high priestess of paganism (chapter 2, verse 20); (2) the scarlet woman, the high priestess of apostasy (chapter 17); (3) the Lamb's wife, the representative of the true, blood-bought Church (chapter 19, verse 7); and (4) Israel, who gave Christ to the world  (v.5) and who will be persecuted severely during the tribulation (v. 13) in the text before us.
    The woman of Revelation 12:1 was pictured in the dream of Joseph centuries ago: And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars [representing Joseph's eleven brothers] made obeisance to me . And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying (Genesis 37:911).
    Clearly, the woman clothed with the sun and wearing a crown of twelve stars upon her head, just like in Joseph's dream, is Israel. The birth of this woman's (Israel's) son is predicted in Isaiah 66, verses 7 and 8: Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children . Isaiah's prediction finds its fulfillment in the next verse.
    The woman is not Mary, Yeshua’s mother, but Israel, in its normal sense, the Jewish people, because the imagery is from Isaiah 66:7-10 (compare also Isaiah 26:17, Micah 4:10). Because of v. 17 this cannot be the “extended Israel” concept which includes Gentile Christians (see 7:4N on “from every tribe of the sons of Israel”).
     Of all the tribes of the children of Israel. The plain sense of this phrase is “from among the entire Jewish people.” But many commentators say it refers to the Church. It must be suggested that this phrase refers possibly not only to the Jews but also to the entire Body of the Messiah. Moreover, at Gal 6:16 and Eph 2:11-13, “Israel” is used in a way that does include saved Gentiles, new creations formerly distant but now brought near and grafted in (Rom 11:17-24). However, the case that the 144,000 from every tribe of the people of Israel means “the Church” is harder to make here; because v. 9 below speaks of “a hugh crowd, too large for anyone to count, from every nation, tribe, people and language.” Apparently, this innumerable crowd of saved Gentiles is to be contrasted with the delimited number of saved Jews in the present verse.
     Although Israel is on earth, John sees her in heaven, symbolizing the fact that God protects and preserves the Jews: this is made more explicit at vv 6, 13-16. Moreover, Michael is Israel’s angelic protector (v. 7 &N). There is an obvious resemblance between the woman and “heavenly Jerusalem” (Gal 4:26; Heb 12:22-24).
    Moon:  heb. yareah, from its paleness (Ezra 6:15), and lebanah, the "white" (Cant. 6:10; Isa. 24:23), was appointed by the Creator to be with the sun "for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" (Gen. 1:14-16). A lunation was among the Jews the period of a month, and several of their festivals were held on the day of the new moon. It is frequently referred to along with the sun (Josh. 10:12; Ps. 72:5, 7, 17; 89:36, 37; Eccl. 12:2; Isa. 24:23, etc.), and also by itself (Ps. 8:3; 121:6). The great brilliance of the moon in Eastern countries led to its being early an object of idolatrous worship (Deut. 4:19; 17:3; Job 31:26), a form of idolatry against which the Jews were warned (Deut. 4:19; 17:3). They, however, fell into this idolatry, and offered incense (2 Kings 23:5; Jer. 8:2), and also cakes of honey, to the moon (Jer. 7:18; 44:17-19, 25).
   September Moon is also known as Harvest Moon, Barley Moon. The harvesters would gain extra time in the fields by the light of the harvest moon. This is a time of organizing and preparing for the coming months. The zodiac association is Virgo.
     Twelve stars. Some think this means the twelve signs of the zodiac. While writers draw on materials from their own culture, and Judaism became embroiled with astrology well before John lived, it is clear that his purposes have nothing to do with astrology. At 21:12-14 the number twelve refers to the tribes of Israel and the emissaries of Yeshua, and this understanding is adequate to the context here too.
     This, I believe is in reference to VIRGO, the constellation lying just above the ECLIPTIC, the path through which the Sun, Moon and other planets travel over TIME.  For instance the Sun, appearing to travel in its course through the year, crosses the equator two times.  Once around March 20/21 and then again around September 22/23, which are known as the equinoxes. These are the days in which the days and nights are equally long.  As the Sun appears to follow the Ecliptic path it passes the SOLSTICE around June 20/21 and December 20/21 which are the longest and shortest days with daylight.  This Ecliptic path is literally a CALENDAR in the sky.  If you know where the Sun is along this path at any given time, the date can be determined.  VIRGO, the woman in the sky lying in the prone position is parallel with the ecliptic, just above it.  The Sun and the Moon, along with the planets pass just below her left foot each year.  The woman ‘clothed with the Sun and the Moon under her feet’ is in reference to this Ecliptic path traversing the length of her body.  She is further identified by the ‘crown of twelve stars’ as the constellation known as the COMA BERENICES hovers above her head, which contains the star known as DIADEM (crown) and the CORONA BOREALIS (Crown) hovers above her feet. 
    In 3 Bc the sun was halfway up her body, the moon was at her feer, 3 planets above the sun made up the 12 stars. Leo only has 9 stars. The cycle of Christ began with Virgo and ends with Leo (kING OF Judah) in 2017.
     In September of 2017, there will be 4 planets. In September is the Day of the Trumpet (Return of Christ), Day of Atonement, and Feast of Tabernacles (Millennium).
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Revelation contains symbolism and could refer to both past and future. For example about the dragon and the woman. John the beloved made it clear that the dragon drew one third of stars with his tail and cast them to earth. Now consider the time of Satan's rebellion, when he came down from the high position one third of angels followed him. That was a past event and that was what John refered to here. Revelation, though is much of future events but it uses past events perhaps to make the future more clearer like the aspect of the woman fleeing to the wilderness, I believe it happened when Israel was on exile in foreign nations until 1948 perhaps when it was re-established as a nation. I don't believe in preterism but I believe that to make the future or present clearer, one must refer to the past.

 

Revelation 12
    1-5 Whether favoring literal or figurative interpretation of the book of Revelation, nearly all commentators agree that these verses depict the birth of Yeshua the Messiah and his ascension to heaven after being resurrected. This means that Revelation is not simply a presentation of future events in chronological order, since this passage flashes back to past history.
     The church, under the emblem of a woman, the mother of believers, was seen by the apostle in vision, in heaven. She was clothed with the sun, justified, sanctified, and shining by union with Christ, the Sun of Righteousness. The moon was under her feet; she was superior to the reflected and feebler light of the revelation made by Moses. Having on her head a crown of twelve stars; the doctrine of the gospel, preached by the twelve apostles, is a crown of glory to all true believers.
   It also refers to the second coming of Christ in 2017.
 
 Coming of Christ:  (1.) with reference to his first advent "in the fulness of the time" (1 John 5:20; 2 John 7), or (2.) with reference to his coming again the second time at the last day (Acts 1:11; 3:20, 21; 1 Thess. 4:15; 2 Tim. 4:1; Heb. 9:28). The expression is used metaphorically of the introduction of the gospel into any place (John 15:22; Eph. 2:17), the visible establishment of his kingdom in the world (Matt. 16:28), the conferring on his people of the peculiar tokens of his love (John 14: 18, 23, 28), and his executing judgment on the wicked (2 Thess. 2:8). 
     Virgo is the sixth constellation of the Zodiac. It has been associated with agriculture, the planting season and the harvest.  The curve of the handle of the Big Dipper, if extended from its tip, points to the first-magnitude star Arcturus. The same curve extended a similar distance beyond Arcturus points out Spica. 
   The sun passes through the constellation from the 14th of September to the 29th of October; and during this time.
    Seed of the Woman, the Desire of nations, Man of double nature in humiliation, exalted Shepherd and Harvester.
 Branch:  a symbol of kings descended from royal ancestors (Ezek. 17:3, 10; Dan. 11:7); of prosperity (Job 8:16); of the Messiah, a branch out of the root of the stem of Jesse (Isa. 11:1), the "beautiful branch" (4:2), a "righteous branch" (Jer. 23:5), "the Branch" (Zech. 3:8; 6:12). Disciples are branches of the true vine (John 15:5, 6). "The branch of the terrible ones" (Isa. 25:5) is rightly translated in the Revised Version "the song of the terrible ones," i.e., the song of victory shall be brought low by the destruction of Babylon and the return of the Jews from captivity. The "abominable branch" is a tree on which a malefactor has been hanged (Isa. 14:19). The "highest branch" in Ezek. 17:3 represents Jehoiakim the king. 
Isa 4:2.  In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
 
 
 
1. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun (Ps 104:2), and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Virgo. Leo has 9 stars.
    In total, the Book of Revelation pictures four different women: (1) Jezebel, the high priestess of paganism (chapter 2, verse 20); (2) the scarlet woman, the high priestess of apostasy (chapter 17); (3) the Lamb's wife, the representative of the true, blood-bought Church (chapter 19, verse 7); and (4) Israel, who gave Christ to the world  (v.5) and who will be persecuted severely during the tribulation (v. 13) in the text before us.
    The woman of Revelation 12:1 was pictured in the dream of Joseph centuries ago: And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars [representing Joseph's eleven brothers] made obeisance to me . And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying (Genesis 37:911).
    Clearly, the woman clothed with the sun and wearing a crown of twelve stars upon her head, just like in Joseph's dream, is Israel. The birth of this woman's (Israel's) son is predicted in Isaiah 66, verses 7 and 8: Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children . Isaiah's prediction finds its fulfillment in the next verse.
    The woman is not Mary, Yeshua’s mother, but Israel, in its normal sense, the Jewish people, because the imagery is from Isaiah 66:7-10 (compare also Isaiah 26:17, Micah 4:10). Because of v. 17 this cannot be the “extended Israel” concept which includes Gentile Christians (see 7:4N on “from every tribe of the sons of Israel”).
     Of all the tribes of the children of Israel. The plain sense of this phrase is “from among the entire Jewish people.” But many commentators say it refers to the Church. It must be suggested that this phrase refers possibly not only to the Jews but also to the entire Body of the Messiah. Moreover, at Gal 6:16 and Eph 2:11-13, “Israel” is used in a way that does include saved Gentiles, new creations formerly distant but now brought near and grafted in (Rom 11:17-24). However, the case that the 144,000 from every tribe of the people of Israel means “the Church” is harder to make here; because v. 9 below speaks of “a hugh crowd, too large for anyone to count, from every nation, tribe, people and language.” Apparently, this innumerable crowd of saved Gentiles is to be contrasted with the delimited number of saved Jews in the present verse.
     Although Israel is on earth, John sees her in heaven, symbolizing the fact that God protects and preserves the Jews: this is made more explicit at vv 6, 13-16. Moreover, Michael is Israel’s angelic protector (v. 7 &N). There is an obvious resemblance between the woman and “heavenly Jerusalem” (Gal 4:26; Heb 12:22-24).
    Moon:  heb. yareah, from its paleness (Ezra 6:15), and lebanah, the "white" (Cant. 6:10; Isa. 24:23), was appointed by the Creator to be with the sun "for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" (Gen. 1:14-16). A lunation was among the Jews the period of a month, and several of their festivals were held on the day of the new moon. It is frequently referred to along with the sun (Josh. 10:12; Ps. 72:5, 7, 17; 89:36, 37; Eccl. 12:2; Isa. 24:23, etc.), and also by itself (Ps. 8:3; 121:6). The great brilliance of the moon in Eastern countries led to its being early an object of idolatrous worship (Deut. 4:19; 17:3; Job 31:26), a form of idolatry against which the Jews were warned (Deut. 4:19; 17:3). They, however, fell into this idolatry, and offered incense (2 Kings 23:5; Jer. 8:2), and also cakes of honey, to the moon (Jer. 7:18; 44:17-19, 25).
   September Moon is also known as Harvest Moon, Barley Moon. The harvesters would gain extra time in the fields by the light of the harvest moon. This is a time of organizing and preparing for the coming months. The zodiac association is Virgo.
     Twelve stars. Some think this means the twelve signs of the zodiac. While writers draw on materials from their own culture, and Judaism became embroiled with astrology well before John lived, it is clear that his purposes have nothing to do with astrology. At 21:12-14 the number twelve refers to the tribes of Israel and the emissaries of Yeshua, and this understanding is adequate to the context here too.
     This, I believe is in reference to VIRGO, the constellation lying just above the ECLIPTIC, the path through which the Sun, Moon and other planets travel over TIME.  For instance the Sun, appearing to travel in its course through the year, crosses the equator two times.  Once around March 20/21 and then again around September 22/23, which are known as the equinoxes. These are the days in which the days and nights are equally long.  As the Sun appears to follow the Ecliptic path it passes the SOLSTICE around June 20/21 and December 20/21 which are the longest and shortest days with daylight.  This Ecliptic path is literally a CALENDAR in the sky.  If you know where the Sun is along this path at any given time, the date can be determined.  VIRGO, the woman in the sky lying in the prone position is parallel with the ecliptic, just above it.  The Sun and the Moon, along with the planets pass just below her left foot each year.  The woman ‘clothed with the Sun and the Moon under her feet’ is in reference to this Ecliptic path traversing the length of her body.  She is further identified by the ‘crown of twelve stars’ as the constellation known as the COMA BERENICES hovers above her head, which contains the star known as DIADEM (crown) and the CORONA BOREALIS (Crown) hovers above her feet. 
    In 3 Bc the sun was halfway up her body, the moon was at her feer, 3 planets above the sun made up the 12 stars. Leo only has 9 stars. The cycle of Christ began with Virgo and ends with Leo (kING OF Judah) in 2017.
     In September of 2017, there will be 4 planets. In September is the Day of the Trumpet (Return of Christ), Day of Atonement, and Feast of Tabernacles (Millennium).

 

 

 

Revelation contains symbolism and could refer to both past and future. For example about the dragon and the woman. John the beloved made it clear that the dragon drew one third of stars with his tail and cast them to earth. Now consider the time of Satan's rebellion, when he came down from the high position one third of angels followed him. That was a past event and that was what John refered to here. Revelation, though is much of future events but it uses past events perhaps to make the future more clearer like the aspect of the woman fleeing to the wilderness, I believe it happened when Israel was on exile in foreign nations until 1948 perhaps when it was re-established as a nation. I don't believe in preterism but I believe that to make the future or present clearer, one must refer to the past.

 

3. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon (Satan), having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
    It recently occurred to me that the dragon appearing in heaven (verse 3) was actually referring to the constellation DRACO/Hydra.  In fact, the word for ‘dragon’ used in the Bible in the Greek language is DRAKON (G1404).  The Bible goes on in verse 4 to say that the dragon’s tail ‘drew the third part of the stars of heaven’.  Looking at a star chart of the northern sky, from the perspective of Polaris or the pole star over the North Pole, the sky is divided into 24 hours, portioning out the sky like a 24 hour clock.  Locating stars or other points in the sky can be done by knowing its hour of RIGHT ASCENSION (R.A.) and the DECLINATION (height above the equator).  The TAIL OF DRACO wraps around the heavens from about 11’ 30” (11 hours, 30 minutes) R.A. (the star that is at the tip of its tail) all the way to about 19’ 30”.  The total portion of the sky that the DRAKON crosses is 8 hours of Right Ascension (R.A.).  There are only 24 hours of R.A., 8 being a third of 24 which means, the dragon’s tail drew A THIRD OF THE STARS!!!!!  ONE-THIRD of the stars visible lie within the R.A. lines to which the TAIL OF THE DRAGON EXTENDS! 
    The dragon is interesting because it has several details as well.
     The dragon being described as red, which is not mentioned again - anywhere in scripture. Eltanin, the brightest star in the constellation, is an orange giant star, with a companion red dwarf star. 
    The head of Draco actually does has seven stars ("seven heads"), even though it is commonly displayed as only four stars on most charts (Gamma Draconis - companion red dwarf star, Nu Draconis - binary v1 & v2 Draconis, Beta Draconis - Binary with dwarf star companion). 
    The constellation used to be called the Great Dragon, as one of its stars, Thuban, used to be the pole star around 3000 B.C. 
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Matt 24

 

Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 
Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 
     The four horsemen have been unleashed. Revelation 6. We have seal 1 (NWO), Seal 2 WW3 in the middle east, war in America, seal 3 Inflation and seal 4 death. At seal 4 we have death which includes famine and pestilence.  Cross reference (Mark 13: 8; Rev 6:1-8). 2014
Mat 24:8  All these are the beginning of sorrows. 
Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.  Persecution of the Saints (CR Mark 13: 9-13; Rev 6:9-11). 2014
Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 
Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 
Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 
Mat 24:13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 
Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 
Mat 24:15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 2014
Mat 24:16  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 
Mat 24:17  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 
Mat 24:18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 
Mat 24:19  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 
Mat 24:20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 
    Matthew 24:15-20 (cr Mark 13:14-22)  At the Abomination of Desolation begins the Great Tribulation which is three and a half years (1260 days) before the Day of the Trumpet prior to Armageddon during the Ten Days of Awe which is in September of 2017 if that is His return. Since the Ten Days of Awe is in September, then the Tribulation began during September 7 years earlier. Feast of Tabernacles September last week 2010
     Abomination of Desolation. (CR: Dan 11:31; 12:11; Jer 32:34; Dan 9:27; I Mac 1:54; 6:7).  This is before the Day of the Lord or the wrath of the Lamb found in Rev. 6:17 (CR. Isa 2:19,2:21). Most believe a statue will be placed in the temple area and the antichrist sits on it.
     In six different verses that period is referred to as either 3½ years, 42 months or 1260 days (Dan 9:27; Dan 7:25; Rev 12:14; Rev 11:2; Rev 13:5; Rev 11:3). (
    Rev 6:12-17 This occurs at a red-blood moon when the sun is darkened.
   Great Tribulation begins. This is also called the Day of the Lord, Time of Jacob's Trouble, Last Day (2-3 views).  Rev 6:17 lines up with Isa 2:12 which says Day of the Lord.
Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation (Acts 1;6; Rev 3:10; Jer 30:7), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 
    In six different verses this period is referred to as either 3½ years, 42 months or 1260 days (Dan 9:27; Dan 7:25; Rev 12:14; Rev 11:2; Rev 13:5; Rev 11:3). 
     The Great Tribulation covers over 400+++ scriptures.
    Folders covering such on CD: Tribulation; Propohecy; Prophecy Code (Prophecy Verses); The Coming Epiphany; Revelation; Daniel; Holidays: Day of the Trumpet, Days of Awe, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles. If you combine all these folders, it covers over 1000 pages.
      The colossal scenes of the Revelation, beginning with Chapter 5 and the opening of the seven-sealed book, through Chapter 10 (Seals through Trumpets), form a prelude to worldwide commotion prior to the Great Tribulation itself described in Rev Chap 11-18.  The Great Tribulation is identical with the last three and one-half years of Daniel's seventieth week of years (Dan 9:24-27; Rev 11;2-3). Unger's Bible Dictionary.
     To date timeline start if 2017 is the Day of the Trumpet, then it would be in April of 2014. 
     Note: (If (above)) If He returns after 2017 has to be supported by the number of 50 (Jubilee) and 70 (total completion). The next possibilty is in 2067. Too long of a discussion for this article.
      Psalm 2 gives a good outline of this time period.  Nations raging (v.2),  derision of Jehovah (v. 4). It eventuates in the establishment of the rejected King in Zion 2:6) and the subjugation of the earth to the King's millennial rule (vv. 7-9), with a present appeal to Gentile world powers to be warned by the certainty of the establishment of Christ's kingdom (vv. 10-12). According to Rev 13-19, there will be the cruel reign of the "beast coming up out of the sea" (The Antichrist) (13:1) who, breaking his covenant with the Jews (2 Thess 2:4), will demand divine worship.  This earth ruler, the Beast, is empowered by Satan, and the entire terrific episode of fighting God is made possible by the unprecedented activity of demons (Rev 9:1-11; 16:13-16).
     The character of the period is clearly revealed in Scipture. It is a time of "wrath" (Zeph 1:15-18; I Thess 1:10; 5:9; Rev 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:10, 19; 15:1, 7; 19:2); indignation" (Isa 26:20-21; 34:1-3); "trial" (Rev 3:10); "trouble" (Jer 30:7; Zeph 1:14-15; Dan 12:1); "destruction" (Joel 1:15; I Thess 5:3); "darkness" (Joel 2:2; Amos 5:18; Zeph 1:14-18); "desolation" (Dan 9:27; Zeph 1:14-15); "overturning" (Isa 24:1-4, 19-21); "punishment" (Isa 24:20-21).
     God will pour out judgment upon believing men and nations (Rev 3:10; Jer 25:32-33; Isa 24:1; II Thess 2:10). These judgments will fall both directly from God and indirectly through men and armies.
     The nations proceeding out of the Roman Empire will be federated into a world power again (Dan 2 and & Rev 17:12, 16-17). The head of the empire is known as the little horn (Dan 7:8), the Abomination of Desolation (Matt 24:15), the man of sin (II Thess 2:3), the Antichrist  (I Jn 2:18), and the beast (Rev 13:1-10). This political ruler will make a covenant with Israel (Dan 9:27). The King of the North, also known as Gog (Ezk 38), will oppose him (Dan 11:40) but will be destroyed by the Lord upon invading Palestine (Ezk 39). With that strong power removed, the Antichrist will be able to control world government. A great religious system, centering in the worship of this political figure, will be promoted by the false prophet (Rev 13:11-18) which will become worldwide. At the return of Christ this politico-religious system will be destroyed (Rev 19:20).
     Mat 24:22  (Mk 13:20) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened (Lev 23:24; Day of the Trumpet); Amos 8:9 (Day of the Lord (400 + verses); Rev 8:12 Fourth Trumpet--1/3 light darkened. 
   In essence, this refers to the time period between Abomination of Desolation and the Day of the Trumpet.
     The end of the days being shortened is caused by the return of Christ at Trumpets cutting off the Great Tribulation at the worst part of the Great Tribulation.
    If this went on and on without an intervention of Christ and thus a shortening of the days of this period of Antichrist, false christs and false prophets, "no flesh should be saved." And that shortening does not have to negate any of 1260 days of Daniel's 70th week as the Great Tribulation period. 
Mat 24:23  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 
Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before. 
Mat 24:26  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 
Mat 24:27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 
Mat 24:28  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 
     The tribulation will be terminated by the second advent of the Lord Jesus Christ to the earth (Matt 24:22, 29-30; Rev 19:11-16; Zech 14:1-7. 
Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  (Mark 13:24-27. 
    Darkened: Rev:6:12; Amos 8:9 (Day of the Lord); Isa 13:10; Joel 3:15--Armageddon; Rev 8:12 4th Trumpet 1/3 darkened.
 
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Kingdom witness I agree with you..

 

  1. Nahum 2:3
    The shields of his mighty men are made red, The valiant men are in scarlet. The chariots come with flaming torches In the day of his preparation, And the spears are brandished.
  2. Nahum 2:4
    The chariots rage in the streets, They jostle one another in the broad roads; They seem like torches, They run like lightning.
    Nahum 2:3-5 (in Context) Nahum 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

 

So the Bible is a mix of symbolism, literal, parable, allergoriy, Psalms or Songs and Proverbially teachings

which Christians try to read while we learn as they are looking at the text.

Is this verse symbolic, literal or some other category?

 

Often read subtitles on the top, read the entire chapter, divide the proper sections, and use at least 2 Bibles for translation

purposes. Last I would use several commentaries and especially if I am unsure like Matthew Henry for example.

No commentator is perfect but 1 like Matthew Henry does help us to move in the right direction.

 

Lastly I want to say "chariots as lightning" I believe as you do KW that it's todays automobiles.

Our cars are run by horsepower just as chariots were pulled by horses. Our cars would be lightning compared to chariots. And if I may say this little joke..Elijah had high technology he was in a flying car :laughing:

The Medes and Babylonians made their shields red by painting them or overlaying them with copper (Ezek 23:14); their tunics were scarlet; their chariots flashed with steel (with flaming torches) because they attached scythes at right angles to the axles; they also used fir trees (cypress spears).

    In the day of preparation means the day prior  to war.

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Zech 14:6,7,8 - On that day there will no light, no cold or frost.  It will be a unique day without daytime or nighttime - a day known to the Lord.  When evening comes there will be light.  On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

Greetings GW,

I decided not to quote your post because it is too long to put here again, so I will make a few observations of what I gleaned from that very LONG post. Lol

1. I too see the 6th seal as Matthew 24:29

2. I do not believe the last trump is the same trumpet in revelations. I believe the last trump is associated with God's festival of trumpets called Roshhashannha. Spelling?

3. I'm not sure what you were saying here- do you think the rapture and second coming are on the same day? That's what it sounded like to me. If I am wrong, please explain.

By the way, thanks for adding me as a friend. I could always use one more. :)

Spock is Jewish. His hand gesture means: to life (lachaim).

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Shalom, Izzel.

 

 

The stars falling from the sky, to me are symbolic of angels or saints. Now someone made mention about the Wormwood prophecy, well it doesn't necessarily imply a meteor but is symbolic. Now the great star fallen from heaven should be Satan. The bible says that it was burning as a lamp and no doubt that Satan has the title as "Angel of light" and falling upon one third of rivers and fountain of waters means falling on the Gentile nations as the sea represent foreign nations. And making the waters wormwood or bitter means corrupting the Gentile nations with idolatry, adultery and other forms of sins. Now if you may notice, Satan had succeeded in corrupting foreign nations except Israel in the times of Abraham and the patriarchs and Moses. Now any men who drank of the waters died in the sense of a spiritual or moral death. It means that any one who allowed the corrupted ones to influence them ends up being corrupted. Now if you also notice, Israel only followed after idolatry as a result of influence from other nations. Thanks for keeping this thread alive. With love kingdomwitness

Wormwood is wormwood not satan 

 

 

You're absolutely right! "Wormwood" is just as the name suggests in the history books (1605-15) - the PLANT and the DRINK it inspired! "Wormwood" is the alternate name for "absinthe," a "strong, green liqueur made with wormwood and other herbs, having a bitter licorice flavor: now banned in most Western countries." (Is it still? I wouldn't know.) And, the term "wormwood" itself is defined as "any composite plant of the genus Artemisia, especially the bitter, aromatic plant, A. absinthium, of Eurasia, used as a vermifuge and a tonic, and as an ingredient in absinthe." The Greek term here is "apsinthos," which is from where the word "absinthe" comes!

 

It's interesting how this "star" is described in Revelation:

 

Revelation 8:10-11
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
KJV
 
The phrase "burning as it were a lamp" is translated from the Greek phrase "kaiomenos hoos lampas" meaning "burning like a-torch." It was a "large star" that had a FLAME, probably sputtering like a torch! In other words, it had a chemical tail that burned! This is a meteorite with a chemical discharge that contaminates all the rivers, streams, and springs - all the fresh water sources! This is talking about just one of the many meteorites that the earth will experience at this time.

 

 

 

 

I was fascinated in the early 90s to learn about Mugwort, the plant/herb.

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Mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris) is also known as Common Wormwood or Felon Herb and has a reputation both

as a powerful healing agent and as a garden pest. In North America, it is frequently viewed as an invasive

weed because it propagates quickly both through seeding and through spread of its rhizome. It is found

throughout Europe, the British Isles, North America, and Asia.

 

(from https://suite101.com/a/mugwort-a83636)

 

In the Ukraine, it is known as Chernobyl. Chernobyl, literally translates to "black grass". Oddly, no part of Chernobyl is black.

 

As you probably know:

 

"The Chernobyl disaster is widely considered to have been the worst nuclear power plant accident in history, and is one of only two classified as a level 7 event (the maximum classification) on the International Nuclear Event Scale (the other being the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster in 2011).[1] The battle to contain the contamination and avert a greater catastrophe ultimately involved over 500,000 workers and cost an estimated 18 billion rubles.[2] The official Soviet casualty count of 31 deaths has been disputed, and long-term effects such as cancers and deformities are still being accounted for. " - Wikipedia

 

At the time, I could not help but ponder the implications of a "Star" named Wormwood poisoning waters, when a nuclear disaster of the same name could be melting down, poisoning the ground waters making them undrinkable: 

 

[Rev 8:10-11

10 And the third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters; 11 and the name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood; and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter. 
NASB]
 
Back then in the early 90s, it had also caught my attention that there was a person who had risen quickly from obscurity to a place of world power, through intrigue (just like anti-
christ), and the fact that a Soviet leader had made time magazine's "Man of the Year", it  had to be a sign of the end times.
 
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and it is so hard to resist that he already came with a mark on his forehead.

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Then there was the wishful math of 1000 years equals a day and a day = 1000 years.

Adam to Jesus, 4000 (4 days), Jesus to His return 2000 (2 days) and after 6 days, rest for 1 day

the Sabbath (the Millenium). It was a tempting thought.

 
 

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