rollinTHUNDER Posted March 1, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2014 Thunder Rev 13:14b - He (the False Prophet) ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. v3 says that the wound was fatal, but the fatal wound had been healed. Fact, not assumption. Can't happen at the mid-point, for that is when this person sets up the A/D. This beast of Rev 13 exercises his authority for only 42 months.The (he) is another beast coming up out of the earth. This could very possibly be Roman Catholicism. If the first beast is the revived Roman Empire and the second is Roman Catholicism, both would have a man as its leader, just as Daniel's beasts were Empires having men as their vocal leaders or given mouths. These leaders were succeeded by other men over hundreds of years, but the beast remained unchanged. If the beast were just a man, it would be easy to make war with him. But since the world is following this beast, it appears likely that it's a global government and no man or nation would be able to come against a united world power. Let's go to Rev 19:20 - But the beast was captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had delude those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The Lake of Fire is for fallen angels and the unjust. Yet you assume that this beast is not human. But Scripture says otherwise.I don't recall claiming that the beast is not human. Both beasts are humans. The first is a government that devours the whole world. The second is a religious organization and both will have a man leading them. Everyone who takes the mark or worships the beast will burn in the fire (Rev.14:9-12), just as the goats that will be separated from the sheep (Matt.25:31-46). It appears that everyone that takes the mark will become a member of the beast and worship the dragon, just as all believers are members of the body of Christ. Need to go back to Daniel 9:27 - He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.... He will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.This does speak of a single man, the man of lawlessness or son of perdition and probably the little horn as well - during the abomination of desolation. Antichrist is the spirit of all unbelievers, not a single man or the final dictator of the world. Yet in Rev 16:13 - We see the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet and evil spirits coming out of their mouths;;; Yet this is before the7th Bowl. The Big question is???? When did the dragon come on the scene during this 70th Week (could it be that this is the rider on the white horse or the 1st Seal, for this all begins in heaven). For when he is here on earth, he has complete charge, the beast and false prophet are subservient to him. Who rules during the first 3 1/2 years? Who rules during the second 3 1/2 years? In ChristMontana MarvThe dragon or Satan has been the prince of this dark world since the fall in the garden of Eden. His reign will end when Christ returns. I'm not sure if an empire will rule during the first 42 months or not, but the beast will definitely be on the scene in the final 42 months. Satan will unleash his anger knowing that he has but a short time left.Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted March 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2014 Thunder Glad to see that you also make assumptions. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted March 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2014 Marv, it was nice chattin' with you, brother.Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Thunder Glad to see that you also make assumptions. In Christ Montana Marv Where exactly did Thunder assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted March 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2014 Thunder Glad to see that you also make assumptions. In Christ Montana Marv Where exactly did Thunder assume. The (he) is another beast coming up out of the earth. This could very possibly be Roman Catholicism. If the first beast is the revived Roman Empire and the second is Roman Catholicism, both would have a man as its leader, just as Daniel's beasts were Empires having men as their vocal leaders or given mouths. These leaders were succeeded by other men over hundreds of years, but the beast remained unchanged. If the beast were just a man, it would be easy to make war with him. But since the world is following this beast, it appears likely that it's a global government and no man or nation would be able to come against a united world power. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The (he) is another beast coming up out of the earth. This could very possibly be Roman Catholicism. If the first beast is the revived Roman Empire and the second is Roman Catholicism, both would have a man as its leader, just as Daniel's beasts were Empires having men as their vocal leaders or given mouths. These leaders were succeeded by other men over hundreds of years, but the beast remained unchanged. If the beast were just a man, it would be easy to make war with him. But since the world is following this beast, it appears likely that it's a global government and no man or nation would be able to come against a united world power. In Christ Montana Marv Well, there are commentaries that might agree with Thunder. I guess it all comes down to your belief systems. One day we will know who the beasts are and what foundation they will arise from. Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. And I beheld another beast http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/revelation-13-11.html The same with the first, only in another form; the same for being and person, but under a different consideration; the same antichrist, but appearing in another light and view: the first beast is the pope of Rome, at the head of the ten kingdoms, of which the Roman empire consisted; this other beast is the same pope of Rome, with his clergy, cardinals, archbishops, bishops, priests before he is described as a temporal monarch, now as a spiritual lord; there he is represented in his secular character, as having the seat, power, and authority of the dragon, of Rome Pagan, engaging the attention and wonder of the whole world, and striking terror into them, and as making war with the saints, and ruling over all nations and tongues; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2014 DRS81 Commentaries are written by authors with assumptions. If all commentaries said or implied the same thing; then they may be considered fact. But most commentaries disagree, so which one does one trust or fall in line with a particular view, that is what it is, an assumption. Ten different commentaries all with different views; All are assumptions. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdomwitness Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 359 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/20/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1998 Author Share Posted March 3, 2014 Ok now what is the fact? Has the white horse been unsealed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible_Gazer Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 450 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2014 Ok now what is the fact? Has the white horse been unsealed?I think so.As of now,I think the horses represent the church conditions starting from the Apostles to thefalling away to the RCC being the pale.It was also information for the early church that there was going to be a falling away.Does history prove this ?Look around you how many different churches are there and where did they come from ?Have they upgraded of downgraded ?More thoughts on the white horse rider.He is carrying a bow.That bow there if you use the Greek word Toxon as being translated to bow, it is not a weapon but a piece of fabric.Revelation 3:55 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;Revelation 19:88 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen,clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.The white horse rider went to preach Jesus our Prince of Peace and conquered the hearts of the peopleand gave them white robe to the overcomers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2014 DRS81 Commentaries are written by authors with assumptions. If all commentaries said or implied the same thing; then they may be considered fact. But most commentaries disagree, so which one does one trust or fall in line with a particular view, that is what it is, an assumption. Ten different commentaries all with different views; All are assumptions. In ChristMontana MarvPresenting an unproven belief as fact = assumptionPresenting possible future fulfillments = conjecture, speculation, prediction or guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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