The Gospel of Jesus Christ

[stevehut]

Depends on what you mean by incarnation..

Huh?

"carne" is latin for "flesh". In Spanish, it is the usual word for "meat", as in animal flesh for food.

Incarnation means that a person assumes a bodily form. Whereas Jesus was entirely a spirit being, he later became flesh in the womb of Mary.

Or do we still have to argue over what the definition of "is" is, Mr. Clinton?

[jmwhalen]

A Clear content: What does a person have to "do" to be saved?

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings JMWhalen,

Well we could say that to be saved we need to:

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

but then we would have to qualify that because even the "demons believe".

OR we could say that "baptism saves":

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

but then we would have to qualify that as well because the thief on the cross was not baptized and neither are babies or the aborted unborn.

So we must realize that a profession of faith in the salvific work of Christ is only the beginning of our salvation. If we are to continue, and in particular be prepared to do the job set before us, which as you rightly point out, is to be a witness unto all the world both in word and deed, we need a foundation of the 5 part Gospel message. If we don't have that, then we shall be blown about by every wind of doctrine that passes by. Remember the story of the farmer who planted seeds.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[AllforJesustheLord]

The Gospel is Jesus Christ, suffering, dying, and rising the third day. We can get many understandings out of that, but whoever believes in Him that He did those things, will not be ashamed, for they believe He is the Son of God.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings AllForJesusTheLord,

You may want to give special consideration to the following verses:

Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[jmwhalen]

Dad Ernie:

Thank you.

As you know, gospel means "good news". This may be surprising to some, but there is more than one "gospel" in the Holy Bible:

Gospel/ Citation/ Period/ Message)

Paul's gospel Rom. 16:25,

1 Cor. 15:1-8- Present Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day

Gospel of the Kingdom- Matt. 4:17,23, Matt. 24:14 Jesus' day, 7 year tribulation The kingdom is at hand

Eternal gospel Rev. 14:6-7 -7 year tribulation Fear God who is creator

Gospel of Rest- Heb. 4:2 "O.T." days, tribulation If one holds out, there is rest

Abraham's Gospel- Gal. 3:8 Abraham's day- In Him, all nations blessed

Gospel of God (Gospel of Prophecy)- Rom. 1:1-3 Cross periods- Jesus of the seed of David

Gospel of Pentecost Acts 2:38 Acts 1-8- Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins

The purpose of my post was to make clear the content of the only good news that will save anyone from the penalty, power, and presence of sin(justification, sanctification,glorification), and that is the gospel of Christ, and this is not equivalent to the "gospel of the kingdom" (of which water baptism played a significant role), for example-these are not equivalent or synonymous.

The term "THE GOSPEL" needs to be qualified within its dispensational setting.

Paul was commissioned to preach the gospel of the grace of God, the gospel of Christ, that was revealed to him from the risen, ascended, glorified, Lord Jesus Christ from heaven by revelation. This was his calling from the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul's gospel was not the gospel preached by the twelve apostles(including Judas). His gospel was uncovered, or revealed to his heart. The lid had been taken off this new gospel and he was enabled to see it, by the Lord Jesus Christ. The gospel Paul saw, announced salvation by the grace of God, not by Kingdom rules.

The Lord Jesus Christ during his earthly ministry, the apostles, and the disciples all preached "the gospel of the kingdom". As stated, but bears repeating,"Gospel" means "good news", but there is more than one "gospel" in scripture, and the confusion in Christianity results from the failure to understand the absolute necessity of "rightly dividing the word of truth"(2 Tim. 2:15), mainly failing to distinguish between the prophetic program as revealed in the Old Testament, and the Mystery Program that was revealed to Paul.

Nowhere in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John will you find 1 Cor. 15;1-4 being preached as the "good news", the basis for our salvation and justification. Nowhere.

Consider this. You cannot preach what you do not know. You cannot believe that which you do not know.

During the Lord Jesus Christ's earthly ministry, the apostles and disciples had no knowledge of his impending, death, burial, and resurrection:

"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" Mt. 16:21,22

"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him." Mark 8:31,32

(Comment: Obviously, Peter was attempting to prevent the Lord's death! If the death, burial, and resurrection was the grounds for Peter's salvation and justification(as Paul expounds on in his epistles), why was Peter trying to prevent the very thing that would be the basis for his justification? See also John 18:10. Did he ever preach 1 Cor. 15:1-4? If he had, his rebuke of the Lord would be a non-sensical reaction!)

"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31,32

"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34

"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day...." Luke 24:45,46

"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9

(Comment: Notice they did not know it or understand it prior to His death! They were not preaching 1 Cor. 15:1-4).

Even after the Lord's death, burial, and resurrection, they intially did not believe it:

"And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." Mt. 28:17

"And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen." Mark 16:11

"And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not." Luke 24:9-11

" And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?" Luke 24:41

It is a prevalent but erroneous view that there is only one gospel in scripture. The fact that the message of the cross is not part of the "gospel of the kingdom" does not mean that the Lord jesus Christ's death was not the critical event. And no one has ever been, nor ever will be, saved apart from the death, burial and resurrection. But it is an entirely different matter to say that it was the contents of one and the same gospel of all time. Christ's death was the central event, , but that fact was not always part of the content or message(a discussion of progressive revelation would be beyond the scope of this message). Indeed, during the Lord Jesus Christ's earthly ministry, the "gospel of the kingdom", the good news" of the approaching Davidic, Messianic kingdom("...as the days of heaven upon the earth...." Deut. 11:24), which was the subect of Old Testament prophecy concerning the restoration of earth with Jesus Christ ruling in righteousness, was preached:

"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people." Mt. 4:23

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Mt. 10:5-8

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." Mark 1:15

And yet, as shown previously, the disciples and apostles understood absolutely nothing of the cross and resurrection. Any honest read of scripture must come to this conclusion. So, how can anyone say that they "...preached Christ crucified...." 1 Cor. 1:23), or 1 Cor. 15:1-4, as Paul did? Impossible. Only later, through Paul's apostle ship, was the cross revealed as the central theme of the gospel(again, the discussion for the reasons for this are beyond the scope of this article).

In Christ,

John Whalen

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings JMWhalen,

Nowhere in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John will you find 1 Cor. 15;1-4 being preached as the "good news", the basis for our salvation and justification. Nowhere.

And then you go on to quote the very same verses that you say don't exist.

It wasn't until Pentecost that ALL these things were fully revealed to the Lord's disciples, but indeed the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was made plain to them THROUGHOUT the Gospels.

The gospel of the Kingdom is simply that where God/Jesus is, that is "His presence", THERE is the Kingdom of God.

Paul's Gospel was none other than that of the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is God's power unto salvation and it is what he taught His disciples.

I don't know where you get this stuff, but it sounds like it came from some warped and deluded mind.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest tiggr]

2 Thess 1:8

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:KJV

1 Peter 4:17

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

KJV

1 Cor 15:1-4

5:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:KJV

What is your take on these scriptures and how do we obey the gospel?

[AllforJesustheLord]

When we believe in Him, we have fruit, otherwise we are not fully believing in Him, it is not by our works, but by the washing, and renewing of the Holy Spirit. Yes, we do works in the natural, but in reality we do nothing to save ourselves Christ did everything so that we could dwell in Him.

[jmwhalen]

Ernie says:

"And then you go on to quote the very same verses that you say don't exist.

It wasn't until Pentecost that ALL these things were fully revealed to the Lord's disciples, but indeed the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was made plain to them THROUGHOUT the Gospels.

The gospel of the Kingdom is simply that where God/Jesus is, that is "His presence", THERE is the Kingdom of God.

Paul's Gospel was none other than that of the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is God's power unto salvation and it is what he taught His disciples.

I don't know where you get this stuff, but it sounds like it came from some warped and deluded mind."

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I have been reading your condescending posts to myself and other believers for the last 2 months, Sir(and I use that term loosely). It is time you someone "called you on it". You do not have a corner on the truth, and your statements such as "get this stuff", and "came from a warped and deluded mind" proceed from the mouth of a fool(Proverbs 10:18).

With equal charity and propriety, I say to you "Go soak your head in a bucket"- you are a person Paul refers to as "puffed up"(1 Cor. 4-5). There is nothing in the Holy Bible that tells a believer to treat such opinions such as yours with anything but contempt. Men, or should I say, children, like you who talk so arrogantly are to be rebuked sharply. Your "mighty" words do not intimidate me, although you may feel like you are impressing others with your boastful verbage. Understand that your opposition and criticism to what I have written means nothing to me; I am here to deal with the facts(Your statement "It wasn't until Pentecost that ALL these things were fully revealed to the Lord's disciples, but indeed the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was made plain to them THROUGHOUT the Gospels" either means you cannot read, or do not understand 1 Cor. 15:1-4). Your name calling and slanderous statements I can put up with. I am not interested or concerned with what you think of my role as an ambassador Christ, my life, my "warped and deluded mind", or my convictions. I am interested in presenting the facts that deal with the mystery that Paul wants "all men to see"(Eph. 3:9-"stuff"), and if no one agrees with these facts, including you, they may reject them at their own loss-it is nothing to me one way or another. After all, to their "own master" they "stand or fall"(Romans 14:4), and I have never professed to be your master or anyone else's.

I do profess, however, to be in subjection to the Holy Bible, rightly divided, as the absolute and final authority in all matters of faith and practice. The egotistical attitude of people such as yourself who "disagrees" with me may vary from ridicule to bitterness, which you continually demonstrate, but my attitude toward such people will be consistent: I will tolerate you, and I can recognize you as a brother in Christ(if you are), and I can tolerate your ridicule and bitterness. However, I will certainly not hesitate to correct you every time you attempt to intimidate me in hopes I will "back off" from preaching Paul's gospel, which Paul referred to as "my gospel"(Romans 2:16,16:25; 1 Tim. 2:8), and "...the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began"(romans 16:25). I will tolerate, but not compromise. I will not persecute such people, but neither will I respect them. At no time will I respect any so-called "biblical scholarship" such as yours which refuses to recognize the "...dispensation of the grace of God....", and "... the mystery of Christ.... Which in other ages was not known unto the sons of men"(Eph. 3:2,4,5). I will continue "call your hand" when you display your biblical ignorance such as your last "post"(again I use the term loosely).

You have "...added nothing to me...."(Galatians 2:6), and I let you "be ignorant"(1 Cor. 14:38). See you at the judgement seat of Christ-we will then know whether the "...things John spoke of this man were true"(John 10:41).

In Christ,

John M. Whalen

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