The Speed of Light

[Macs Son]

One of the toughest arguments a creationist usually has to debate is the vast distances of stars and the time it takes for light to approach earth.

 

But what we have done is made assumptions about time by thinking the rate at which time moves is the same everywhere, but that is not true.  Time is different based upon gravity.

 

This is considered Gravitational Time Dilation. 

 

It is very possible that the universe has aged millions/billions of years while only 6,000 has elapsed on earth.  Time could tick much more rapidly in different parts of the universe than it does here on earth.  We have only one concept of time and have tested the speed of light here on earth.

 

The physics behind it is general relativity.  The rate at which time passes is related to the gravitational potential.  Clocks tick more slowly when they are in a gravitational well.

 

For example, time will tick slower the closer to the center of the earth you are (like in an area near the ocean) versus a city like Denver which is a mile above sea level.

 

And if you consider that God could've created the universe 6-10,000 years ago, the universe would've been much smaller than it is now, needing less time for starlight to get here.

 

Thoughts?

Hi Anthony,

It occurred to me we never quite finished up this thread or thoughts on your postulate. Sure we showed that we don't really hit the exponential curve, with respect to time dilation, until we are nearly at light speed.

by delta velocity in meters per second we can calculate Time dilation in seconds over the course of 1 year mathematically.

Dilation" "1 YR

in seconds" "Observer2

Time with

D Speed" Days % of light speed Dilation

10000.00000000 01.000000 31536000 31536000 364.9999998 0.003335640952% 0.0000001%

30000.00000000 1.0000000 31536000 31536000 364.9999982 0.010006922856% 0.0000005%

90000.00000000 01.000000 31536000 31535999 364.9999836 0.030020768568% 0.0000045%

300000.0000000 01.000001 31536000 31535984 364.9998172 0.100069228559% 0.0000501%

1000000.000000 01.000006 31536000 31535825 364.9979694 0.333564095198% 0.0005563%

3000000.000000 01.000050 31536000 31534421 364.9817243 1.000692285594% 0.0050071%

10000000.00000 01.000557 31536000 31518451 364.7968849 3.335640951982% 0.0556480%

100000000.0000 01.060752 31536000 29729852 344.0955095 33.35640951981% 5.7272577%

200000000.0000 01.342385 31536000 23492520 271.9041716 66.71281903963% 25.5057064%

211985260.0000 01.414213 31536000 22299322 258.0939995 70.71067144724% 29.2893152%

299700000.0000 40.267679 31536000 00783159 9.064341741 99.96915933088% 97.5166187%

299792457.0000 12243.211 31536000 00002576 0.029812439 99.99999966643% 99.9918322%

299792457.9900 122432.18 31536000 00000258 0.002981242 99.99999999666% 99.9991832%

299792457.9999 1224214.8 31536000 00000026 0.000298150 99.99999999996% 99.9999183%

Certainly that discounts much variation with respect to time by objects accelerated by the earths gravity. Time dilation taken at different points with respect to the earth's center would be most negligible indeed! However the proposal of an expanding universe causing perceived variances with respect to the age of the universe really has not been addressed and that is for good reason. We don't entirely have the picture of the initial rate was for the expanding universe. When Hubble look at the red shift, he came up with what I believe to be the first mathematical model for its expansion. It is name the Hubble constant after him. He calculated it to be about 67 kilometers per second per megaparsec; a megaparsec being a unit of about 300 million light years because we cannot measure the expansion rate of smaller objects but only distant galaxies. It turns out however Hubble constant for an expanding universe really is not a constant. It is true that evidence we've been able to accumulate thus far supports a rapidly expanding universe, which gradually slowed over time but somewhere along the line the rate of the universe's expansion began to increase again, mystifying many. More recently NASA's Spitzer space telescope made a more precise measurement calculating the expansion rate at between an incredible rate of 72.2 to 76.5 kilometers a second per megaparsec. However, as fast as that is, 76000m/sec, the relative difference in time perception between body A verses Body B traveling away from each other at that speed would only account for a time difference amounting to about 3 days over the course of a year. As you can see the rate of expansion would have to be much, much greater to account for billions of years. It would be a much easier proposition if we could conceive of an initial burst of energy that dissipating over time for then you only need a few points to calculate the functional formula for the rate of expansion over time. But since the evidence supports the universe is actually expanding at an ever increasing rate physicists have created postulates, like dark energy - etc., that might explain why this is occurring, and now they are going after proofs towards that end. Maybe some day the Lord may give us more insights but the fact of the matter is God created the universe and it doesn't matter to our Christian belief system if we believe those 6 days are God days, which are Biblically are stated to be extremely long, or man days based on a solar day, which didn't exist before day 4. It only matters if in this life we come to know Christ Jesus and follow Him. I happen to believe the evidence points greatly to the days of Genesis being God days but in the grand scheme of God's plan that doesn't mean so much relative to my relationship with my Lord and Savior. I leave myself open to both the truth of Scripture and the truth of knowledge that God allows us to unravel for all truth belongs to God. Another point to ponder on the mystery of the universe is mass and energy vs. acceleration. We know that accelerating at light speed produces infinite mass but I think when we deal in terms of the infinite we are hardly any longer in the physical realm - we are definitely talking God and things preceding time and space and the things that can be actually physically measured. I do, however, find more and more the Lord tells us about His creation that long preceded any serious science. As the Bible said long before physics and astro-physics was even in the mind of man - God stretched out the heavens.

 

Isa 42:5 Thus says God the LORD,

Who created the heavens and stretched them out,

Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,

Who gives breath to the people on it,

And spirit to those who walk on it:

Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,

And He who formed you from the womb:

“I am the LORD, who makes all things,

Who stretches out the heavens all alone,

Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;

Isa 45:12 I have made the earth,

And created man on it.

I—My hands—stretched out the heavens,

And all their host I have commanded.

Isa 48:13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,

And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;

When I call to them,

They stand up together.

Isa 51:13 And you forget the LORD your Maker,

Who stretched out the heavens

And laid the foundations of the earth;

You have feared continually every day

Because of the fury of the oppressor,

When he has prepared to destroy.

And where is the fury of the oppressor?

Jer 10:12 He has made the earth by His power,

He has established the world by His wisdom,

And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion.

Jer 51:15 He has made the earth by His power;

He has established the world by His wisdom,

And stretched out the heaven by His understanding.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:

Interestingly enough the Bible also predicts the end of the universe as well.

All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,

And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;

All their host shall fall down

As the leaf falls from the vine,

And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

Isaiah 34:4

May the Lord Bless us in the wonder of His magnificent creation and the awe it inspires within us as we consider the universe's own remarkable witnesses to us, which speaks and proclaims the Glory of God, Pat

Edited June 28, 2014 by Macs Son

[ezekiel]

The boundaries of this world says this but the things are not so from above. Just as one that reaches under his feet grab something so is the galaxy above us to the Most High which all thnigs pass under him which is the work of his hands blessed be his name.

 

formula for light are 430+7307=216+3468

[Enoch2021]

 

One of the toughest arguments a creationist usually has to debate is the vast distances of stars and the time it takes for light to approach earth.

 

But what we have done is made assumptions about time by thinking the rate at which time moves is the same everywhere, but that is not true.  Time is different based upon gravity.

 

This is considered Gravitational Time Dilation. 

 

It is very possible that the universe has aged millions/billions of years while only 6,000 has elapsed on earth.  Time could tick much more rapidly in different parts of the universe than it does here on earth.  We have only one concept of time and have tested the speed of light here on earth.

 

The physics behind it is general relativity.  The rate at which time passes is related to the gravitational potential.  Clocks tick more slowly when they are in a gravitational well.

 

For example, time will tick slower the closer to the center of the earth you are (like in an area near the ocean) versus a city like Denver which is a mile above sea level.

 

And if you consider that God could've created the universe 6-10,000 years ago, the universe would've been much smaller than it is now, needing less time for starlight to get here.

 

Thoughts?

Hi Anthony,

It occurred to me we never quite finished up this thread or thoughts on your postulate. Sure we showed that we don't really hit the exponential curve, with respect to time dilation, until we are nearly at light speed.

by delta velocity in meters per second we can calculate Time dilation in seconds over the course of 1 year mathematically.

Dilation" "1 YR

in seconds" "Observer2

Time with

D Speed" Days % of light speed Dilation

10000.00000000 01.000000 31536000 31536000 364.9999998 0.003335640952% 0.0000001%

30000.00000000 1.0000000 31536000 31536000 364.9999982 0.010006922856% 0.0000005%

90000.00000000 01.000000 31536000 31535999 364.9999836 0.030020768568% 0.0000045%

300000.0000000 01.000001 31536000 31535984 364.9998172 0.100069228559% 0.0000501%

1000000.000000 01.000006 31536000 31535825 364.9979694 0.333564095198% 0.0005563%

3000000.000000 01.000050 31536000 31534421 364.9817243 1.000692285594% 0.0050071%

10000000.00000 01.000557 31536000 31518451 364.7968849 3.335640951982% 0.0556480%

100000000.0000 01.060752 31536000 29729852 344.0955095 33.35640951981% 5.7272577%

200000000.0000 01.342385 31536000 23492520 271.9041716 66.71281903963% 25.5057064%

211985260.0000 01.414213 31536000 22299322 258.0939995 70.71067144724% 29.2893152%

299700000.0000 40.267679 31536000 00783159 9.064341741 99.96915933088% 97.5166187%

299792457.0000 12243.211 31536000 00002576 0.029812439 99.99999966643% 99.9918322%

299792457.9900 122432.18 31536000 00000258 0.002981242 99.99999999666% 99.9991832%

299792457.9999 1224214.8 31536000 00000026 0.000298150 99.99999999996% 99.9999183%

Certainly that discounts much variation with respect to time by objects accelerated by the earths gravity. Time dilation taken at different points with respect to the earth's center would be most negligible indeed! However the proposal of an expanding universe causing perceived variances with respect to the age of the universe really has not been addressed and that is for good reason. We don't entirely have the picture of the initial rate was for the expanding universe. When Hubble look at the red shift, he came up with what I believe to be the first mathematical model for its expansion. It is name the Hubble constant after him. He calculated it to be about 67 kilometers per second per megaparsec; a megaparsec being a unit of about 300 million light years because we cannot measure the expansion rate of smaller objects but only distant galaxies. It turns out however Hubble constant for an expanding universe really is not a constant. It is true that evidence we've been able to accumulate thus far supports a rapidly expanding universe, which gradually slowed over time but somewhere along the line the rate of the universe's expansion began to increase again, mystifying many. More recently NASA's Spitzer space telescope made a more precise measurement calculating the expansion rate at between an incredible rate of 72.2 to 76.5 kilometers a second per megaparsec. However, as fast as that is, 76000m/sec, the relative difference in time perception between body A verses Body B traveling away from each other at that speed would only account for a time difference amounting to about 3 days over the course of a year. As you can see the rate of expansion would have to be much, much greater to account for billions of years. It would be a much easier proposition if we could conceive of an initial burst of energy that dissipating over time for then you only need a few points to calculate the functional formula for the rate of expansion over time. But since the evidence supports the universe is actually expanding at an ever increasing rate physicists have created postulates, like dark energy - etc., that might explain why this is occurring, and now they are going after proofs towards that end. Maybe some day the Lord may give us more insights but the fact of the matter is God created the universe and it doesn't matter to our Christian belief system if we believe those 6 days are God days, which are Biblically are stated to be extremely long, or man days based on a solar day, which didn't exist before day 4. It only matters if in this life we come to know Christ Jesus and follow Him. I happen to believe the evidence points greatly to the days of Genesis being God days but in the grand scheme of God's plan that doesn't mean so much relative to my relationship with my Lord and Savior. I leave myself open to both the truth of Scripture and the truth of knowledge that God allows us to unravel for all truth belongs to God. Another point to ponder on the mystery of the universe is mass and energy vs. acceleration. We know that accelerating at light speed produces infinite mass but I think when we deal in terms of the infinite we are hardly any longer in the physical realm - we are definitely talking God and things preceding time and space and the things that can be actually physically measured. I do, however, find more and more the Lord tells us about His creation that long preceded any serious science. As the Bible said long before physics and astro-physics was even in the mind of man - God stretched out the heavens.

 

 

 

 

 

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Time is different based upon gravity........The physics behind it is general relativity.

 

 

I don't think so and General Relativity is MATHemagical.

 

Please show ONE solution to Einsteins Field Equations for 2 or more masses?  I'll save you some time, it doesn't exist.  I thought you had to have @ least 2 masses for Gravity?

 

Same goes for Gravity Waves.....They are "conjured" from Einstein's pseudo-tensor ( t^u_v) .  The problem... when contracting the pseudo-tensor one obtains a first-order intrinsic differential invariant.  However, In 1900 the Inventors of tensor calculus G. Ricci-Curbastro and T. Levi-Civita proved that such invariants.....Do NOT exist!

 

Translation: It's a Fairytale.

 

What is Time? Put some in a jar and paint it red? It's a concept and a convention.

 

Time =  a relation between 2 motions.  Can you travel "through" a Conceptual Relationship?  Time can be Dilated? Please show how you can dilate a conceptual relationship?

Time "Moves", We can Travel "Through" Time, Time can be "Dilated".  Hmmm, Concepts are Physical??  The Whole Nightmare is a Logical Fallacy: Reification.  Professionalism in State Government is a Concept...can we "move through" it ?

 

They say Gravity Affects time, eh?.... Time will move slower the the closer and you are to Earth or a Body.  Ok, Lets use a Gravitational Clock... Two Sand Filled Hour Glasses, which function BY GRAVITY.  We'll keep one and set it on the ground @ the base of Mount Everest then take the other to the top.  We then turn them over @ the same "Time"....which one drains faster?

 

2. Lets try it again....we move the "Clock" from the top of Mount Everest and take it into Space between the Moon and the Earth...then turn each over again.  Which drains faster? For the person who is turning that "Clock" over in Space....time has stopped!  Because there's no Sand entering the bulb.

 

Define Rubber Ruler? .... then Compare and Contrast that Measure with a Titanium Ruler then reconcile each into One explanation objectively and coherently.

 

 

I want somebody to explain to me, in the context Einstonian Gravity: when I go to the grocery store and buy some apples and place them on a scale, does the curvature of spacetime around the spring, connected to plate and display, interact with the spacetime curvature of the Apples?

Am I getting Bamboozled by the Store or Einstein, True or False?

 

 

When Hubble look at the red shift, he came up with what I believe to be the first mathematical model for its expansion. It is name the Hubble constant after him.

 

Hubble's Law and Red Shift have been Invalidated via Discordant and Anomalous Red Shifts: 

 

like dark energy

 

This is another Fairytale along with Dark Energy.  Did you ever notice, everything they conjure is "Dark" or "Black".  The 95% of the Mass of the Universe isn't missing, It's right in front of their Face.....Plasma.  See Discussion here:

 

 

if we believe those 6 days are God days, which are Biblically are stated to be extremely long, or man days based on a solar day, which didn't exist before day 4.

 

GOD "days"?   Come again?  They are "Biblical"  Come again, again?

 

(Exodus 20:8-11) "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.  {9} Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:  {10} But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:  {11} For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

 

 

We know that accelerating at light speed produces infinite mass

 

Please show this Experiment....?  Define Infinite?  Is this like the Infinitely Dense Point Mass Singularity?  I'd like to see this even Mathematically......D = M/V?

 

 

at light speed

 

What is the "One Way" Speed of Light?

 

(Genesis 1:14-15) "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:  {15} And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so."

 

See that:  "and It was so"........ it's a Biggie!  Especially when The Laws of Physics/Chemistry/Biochemistry weren't "Codified" until the end of Day 6 or Beginning of Day 7. 

[Matanah]

One of the toughest arguments a creationist usually has to debate is the vast distances of stars and the time it takes for light to approach earth.

 

But what we have done is made assumptions about time by thinking the rate at which time moves is the same everywhere, but that is not true.  Time is different based upon gravity.

 

This is considered Gravitational Time Dilation. 

 

It is very possible that the universe has aged millions/billions of years while only 6,000 has elapsed on earth.  Time could tick much more rapidly in different parts of the universe than it does here on earth.  We have only one concept of time and have tested the speed of light here on earth.

 

The physics behind it is general relativity.  The rate at which time passes is related to the gravitational potential.  Clocks tick more slowly when they are in a gravitational well.

 

For example, time will tick slower the closer to the center of the earth you are (like in an area near the ocean) versus a city like Denver which is a mile above sea level.

 

And if you consider that God could've created the universe 6-10,000 years ago, the universe would've been much smaller than it is now, needing less time for starlight to get here.

 

Thoughts?

Hi, I hope you are doing fine today. God Bless you.

 

May I add the little I know to the subject and that is that the speed of light is not a constant. They found that out a little while ago I believe, and not just through water... but voids (space) as well, so that really does put the fox in the hen house for the evolutionists!!!

 

Edited August 5, 2014 by Matanah

[coheir]

 

You mean plants can't survive one night without the sun?  The work of creating the plants finished that evening and night and the sun was made the next day...essentially one full night. 

Not that anyone is sticking to reality with this, but imagine how cold our planet would be without the sun...

 

one does not need the sun if one has the Son

[Guest]

One of the toughest arguments a creationist usually has to debate is the vast distances of stars and the time it takes for light to approach earth.

 

But what we have done is made assumptions about time by thinking the rate at which time moves is the same everywhere, but that is not true.  Time is different based upon gravity.

 

This is considered Gravitational Time Dilation. 

 

It is very possible that the universe has aged millions/billions of years while only 6,000 has elapsed on earth.  Time could tick much more rapidly in different parts of the universe than it does here on earth.  We have only one concept of time and have tested the speed of light here on earth.

 

The physics behind it is general relativity.  The rate at which time passes is related to the gravitational potential.  Clocks tick more slowly when they are in a gravitational well.

 

For example, time will tick slower the closer to the center of the earth you are (like in an area near the ocean) versus a city like Denver which is a mile above sea level.

 

And if you consider that God could've created the universe 6-10,000 years ago, the universe would've been much smaller than it is now, needing less time for starlight to get here.

 

Thoughts?

 

~

 

God's

 

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:1-2

 

Baseline Earth

 

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:3-5

 

Puts The Age Of The Stars Not Older But Three Days Younger Than The Earth

 

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

 

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night:

 

he made the stars also.

 

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:14-19

 

So As I See It Because God Did His Space Dilation

 

Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

 

I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

 

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:5-8

 

All Of The Star Light Appeared

 

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Genesis 2:1-2

 

Right On Time

 

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:3

 

As I See It

 

[Guest]

You mean plants can't survive one night without the sun?  The work of creating the plants finished that evening and night and the sun was made the next day...essentially one full night. 

 

Not that anyone is sticking to reality with this, but imagine how cold our planet would be without the sun...

 

one does not need the sun if one has the Son

 

 

Sticking With Reality, Stick With Jesus

 

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

 

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun;

 

for the Lord God giveth them light:

 

and they shall reign for ever

 

and ever. Revelation 22:4-5

 

But Thinking Without Him

 

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

 

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 2 Corinthians 4:3-5

 

One Could Miss

 

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3

 

Truth

 

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11

 

~

 

So Beloved, If You Find Your Mind Blanked Out From Receiving The Revelation Of Jesus

 

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:4-5

 

Drop To Your Knees, Look Up And Call Upon His Name

 

What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me?

I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. Psalms 116:12-13

 

And Be Blessed

 

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9

[Macs Son]

Time = a relation between 2 motions. Can you travel "through" a Conceptual Relationship? Time can be Dilated? Please show how you can dilate a conceptual relationship?

Time "Moves", We can Travel "Through" Time, Time can be "Dilated". Hmmm, Concepts are Physical?? The Whole Nightmare is a Logical Fallacy: Reification. Professionalism in State Government is a Concept...can we "move through" it ?

Hi Enoch,

Hmmm. It's really not just a concept but a reality. Your GPS wouldn't work if it didn't make use of it.

Clocks on the Space Shuttle run slightly slower than reference clocks on Earth, while clocks on GPS and Galileo satellites run slightly faster.[1] Such time dilation has been repeatedly demonstrated (see experimental confirmation below), for instance by small disparities in atomic clocks on Earth and in space, even though both clocks work perfectly (it is not a mechanical malfunction). The laws of nature are such that time itself (i.e. spacetime) will bend due to differences in either gravity or velocity – each of which affects time in different ways

The whole article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

May the Lord bless, Pat

[Macs Son]

You mean plants can't survive one night without the sun?  The work of creating the plants finished that evening and night and the sun was made the next day...essentially one full night. 

Not that anyone is sticking to reality with this, but imagine how cold our planet would be without the sun...

one does not need the sun if one has the Son

Amen, which will be the final state of the new earth as well

Revelation 22:5

There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

In Christ, Pat

[Eshai]

 

Patrick wrote... Maybe some day the Lord may give us more insights but the fact of the matter is God created the universe

and it doesn't matter to our Christian belief system if we believe those 6 days are God days, which are

Biblically are stated to be extremely long, or man days based on a solar day, which didn't exist before day 4.

It only matters if in this life we come to know Christ Jesus and follow Him. I happen to believe the evidence

points greatly to the days of Genesis being God days but in the grand scheme of God's plan that doesn't mean so

much relative to my relationship with my Lord and Savior.

 

Patrick, I found this to be most inspirational. While I deeply respect the belief that all that matters is coming to know Jesus Christ, I am reminded of the words that the Lord works in mysterious ways. It is quite possible the discourse on the age of universe actually brings people to God. Personally, in my mind the Big Bang theory (which agreeably suggests a single point of creation out of which all the universe was stretched) actually supports creationism, as it is more likely that all the complexity of the universe was created rather than it all magically happening all by itself. So I am confused as to why Big Bang advocates, and also old earth advocates, consider such ideas to be contrary to the existence of intelligent design.