Old Covenant vs New Covenant

[SINNERSAVED]

3 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

God is very very specific on what He calls an abomination. Eating unclean animals is not called an abomination. As I've stated before, there is no penalty for eating an unclean animal. Bowing down to Idols is called an abomination and carries a penalty.

that's not what it says in Isaiah 66 15-17 , God is calling it a abomination, , would that be a fair statement ? this is what it says.

[Shar]

5 hours ago, Qnts2 said:

Since you used a verse which referenced Gentiles learning in synagogues, you are talking about what Jewish Rabbis teach. 

Easter was not mentioned as an official Church holiday until the Nicean council. In reality, Easter is Passover, with the name changed and the date re-set. Passover is only about Jesus death, His resurrection was on the first fruit wave offering, which is another OT practice. 

Gentiles did not enter into the Mosaic covenant. Gentiles came to the Messiah as prophesied in the OT, and remain as Gentiles (not Israel).

During the time of Jesus and the Temple, uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed to partake in the Passover according to the law  

Exodus 12:⁴³ The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: no foreigner is to eat of it; ⁴⁴ but every man’s slave purchased with money, after you have circumcised him, then he may eat of it. ⁴⁵ A sojourner or a hired servant shall not eat of it. ⁴⁶ It is to be eaten in a single house; you are not to bring forth any of the flesh outside of the house, nor are you to break any bone of it. ⁴⁷ All the congregation of Israel are to celebrate this. ⁴⁸ But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it

So, the uncircumcised are not allowed to partake in the Passover, according to OT law. The uncircumcised believers could celebrate a NT version of Passover, which has to do about Jesus, in remembrance of what He did, but not about the deliverance from Egypt by the blood on the doorposts. While named differently, Easter is based on the NT version of Passover although with a different name. Easter is not pagan as it does not celebrate or have anything to do with Ishtar. 

True, they had to be circumcised in Exodus to eat Passover, but with Yeshua's death the Gentiles were grafted in and did not have to be circumcised to be saved.  Paul tells us to make sure we keep the Festival with a sincere heart and without malice.  Gentiles remain physically Gentiles, but now partake of the Jewish root with them.  We don't support the root, it supports us.  Rms. 11:11-24.

Easter is not Passover with a different name.  It was the Feast of Ishtar. It was fully pagan.  Passover always occurs on Nisan 14, but Easter changes each year because it is based on the first Sunday after the first full moon of the Spring Equinox.  My earlier reference to Passover was based on the inclusion of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15-21) and First Fruits (Nisan 16).  Inclusive more on the traditional 8 days of Passover.

[thereselittleflower]

Just now, Shar said:

True, they had to be circumcised in Exodus to eat Passover, but with Yeshua's death the Gentiles were grafted in and did not have to be circumcised to be saved.  Paul tells us to make sure we keep the Festival with a sincere heart and without malice.  Gentiles remain physically Gentiles, but now partake of the Jewish root with them.  We don't support the root, it supports us.  Rms. 11:11-24.

Easter is not Passover with a different name.  It was the Feast of Ishtar. It was fully pagan.  Passover always occurs on Nisan 14, but Easter changes each year because it is based on the first Sunday after the first full moon of the Spring Equinox.  My earlier reference to Passover was based on the inclusion of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15-21) and First Fruits (Nisan 16).  Inclusive more on the traditional 8 days of Passover.

You do know that Hislop has been discredited?

 

[Shar]

5 hours ago, Qnts2 said:

Gentiles were not grafted into Israel. Gentiles are grafted into Jesus. One emphasis in both the OT and the NT is that Gentiles would be drawn to the Messiah, and remain Gentiles.

You need to thoroughly read Romans 11.  Salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.  Gentiles now share in the nourishing sap of the root of the tree.   Jews are the natural branches.  We are the wild branches grafted in, etc.  Tell me how Gentiles can make Israel envious, if we switch out G-d's festivals for historically pagan ceremonies, forsake the Sabbath day and support Replacement Theology that disrespects the Jew and G-d's promises to them?

[SINNERSAVED]

2 minutes ago, Shar said:

You need to thoroughly read Romans 11.  Salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.  Gentiles now share in the nourishing sap of the root of the tree.   Jews are the natural branches.  We are the wild branches grafted in, etc.  Tell me how Gentiles can make Israel envious, if we switch out G-d's festivals for historically pagan ceremonies, forsake the Sabbath day and support Replacement Theology that disrespects the Jew and G-d's promises to them?

nice , well said sister ..

[Ezra]

37 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

God is very very specific on what He calls an abomination. Eating unclean animals is not called an abomination. As I've stated before, there is no penalty for eating an unclean animal. Bowing down to Idols is called an abomination and carries a penalty.

Exactly. It is always idols and idolatry that are deemed as "abominations" (that which stinks before God, and is utterly vile and filthy).  Idolatry was always accompanied by vile practices and sexual orgies.  Worshipping false gods (demons) is indeed an abomination.

As to "unclean animals" today. God has already admonished Christians that what He calls "clean", we dare not call "unclean".  Today every creature is deemed to be clean before God, and nothing that enters a man defiles him.

[Ezra]

43 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

that's not what it says in Isaiah 66 15-17 , God is calling it a abomination, , would that be a fair statement ? this is what it says.

As already mentioned, this passage applies to a future period and is related to Israel on earth during and after the Millennium. So you are misapplying Scripture, while ignoring the Scriptures which pertain to the Church Age.

[Qnts2]

4 hours ago, Shar said:

True, they had to be circumcised in Exodus to eat Passover, but with Yeshua's death the Gentiles were grafted in and did not have to be circumcised to be saved.  Paul tells us to make sure we keep the Festival with a sincere heart and without malice.  Gentiles remain physically Gentiles, but now partake of the Jewish root with them.  We don't support the root, it supports us.  Rms. 11:11-24.

Easter is not Passover with a different name.  It was the Feast of Ishtar. It was fully pagan.  Passover always occurs on Nisan 14, but Easter changes each year because it is based on the first Sunday after the first full moon of the Spring Equinox.  My earlier reference to Passover was based on the inclusion of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15-21) and First Fruits (Nisan 16).  Inclusive more on the traditional 8 days of Passover.

The OT Passover is different then the NT Passover. The OT Passover requires eating a lamb which is sacrificed at the Temple in remembrance of the lamb killed and the blood put over the door post so the death angel passes over. It is that Passover lamb from the Temple which is forbidden for those not physically ritually circumcised. The NT Passover has Jesus as the sacrificial lamb. To partake of the NT lamb, one has a circumcised heart. Since it is against the Mosaic covenant to make any changes to the Mosaic law, the NT Passover can not be the same law as the OT Passover. The NT Passover is not in remembrance of the exodus from Egypt, but is in remembrance of Jesus death as the NT Passover lamb.

The feast of Ishtar was in honor of Ishtar. Easter is in honor/memory of what Jesus did and Who He was. The NT Passover is in honor/memory of what Jesus did and Who He was. So Easter is a renamed NT Passover. (First Fruits wave offering occurs during Passover but is not Passover).

During the first Nicean council, the one and only resolution demanded by Constantine was that Christianity have nothing to do with anything in common with the Jewish people. Constantine and some others were anti-semitic, so a formal letter was written to all of the churches, telling them a decision was made to not call the feast in memory of Jesus the same name as the Jewish feast and that the Christian feast should not even occur at the same time as the Jewish feast. They thought being dependent on the Jewish calendar and the Jewish sighting of the New Moon was wrong to be dependent on the Jewish people. I will include a translation of the letter sent out by the 1st Nicean council at the end of this post.

Finally, if you object to the name Easter, I would suggest tearing up the book of Esther. Esther's Persian name was Ishtar so the book of Esther is actually name the book of Ishtar. It is common practice for Jewish people living outside of Israel to take a name from the language which is spoken in the land that they live. Esther's Hebrew name was Haddasah and her Persian name was Ishtar (Esther anglicized). Names don't mean much. The name, Esther, did not mean that Esther worshipped Ishtar. My English name is Jan. My Hebrew name is Miryam.

Nicean council letter :

ON THE KEEPING OF EASTER. From the Letter of the Emperor to all those not present at the Council. (Found in Eusebius, Vita Const., Lib. iii., 18-20.) When the question relative to the sacred festival of Easter arose, it was universally thought that it would be convenient that all should keep the feast on one day; for what could be more beautiful and more desirable, than to see this festival, through which we receive the hope of immortality, celebrated by all with one accord, and in the same manner? It was declared to be particularly unworthy for this, the holiest of all festivals, to follow the custom[the calculation] of the Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and whose minds were blinded. In rejecting their custom,(1) we may transmit to our descendants the legitimate mode of celebrating Easter, which we have observed from the time of the Saviour's Passion to the present day[according to the day of the week]. We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews, for the Saviour has shown us another way; our worship follows a more legitimate and more convenient course(the order of the days of the week); and consequently, in unanimously adopting this mode, we desire, dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without their direction we could not keep this feast. How can they be in the right, they who, after the death of the Saviour, have no longer been led by reason but by wild violence, as their delusion may urge them? They do not possess the truth in this Easter question;

[Qnts2]

5 hours ago, Shar said:

You need to thoroughly read Romans 11.  Salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.  Gentiles now share in the nourishing sap of the root of the tree.   Jews are the natural branches.  We are the wild branches grafted in, etc.  Tell me how Gentiles can make Israel envious, if we switch out G-d's festivals for historically pagan ceremonies, forsake the Sabbath day and support Replacement Theology that disrespects the Jew and G-d's promises to them?

The Jewish people do not care what Gentiles believe. Most non-believing Jewish people think the Gentiles worship 3 gods. But, Jewish people are strong believers in religious freedom having experienced persecution for centuries for their own religion, so tend to be very tolerant of Gentiles practicing other religions, and will even fight for Christians rights to practice Christianity, as long as Christianity does not try to stop Jews from practicing Judaism. Believe it or not, most Jewish people have no real clue what Christians believe, or do to practice their religion. Maybe with one exception. While Jewish people do not really understand what Christmas is about, Jewish parents have to talk to their children about why they do not celebrate Christmas. Christmas looks very attractive to the Jewish children. I know of adult Jews who heard Christmas songs, and ended up accepting Jesus thru them. 

As far as Gentiles practicing the law given to the Jewish people, Jewish people think Gentiles are jealous of the Jewish people and the Gentiles wish they were Jews. So, when a Gentile celebrates a Jewish Holy day, that is proof to Jewish people that Gentiles are jealous of Jews, and not the other way around. Gentiles who go so visibly into Jewish things are called 'Jewish wannabes'. Meaning, they are Gentile who want to be Jewish. So the message you think you might be sending, is actually the opposite. Gentiles who try to live more like Jews, usually do such a strange exaggeration of it, that they are considered disrespectful.

[Qnts2]

5 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

that's not what it says in Isaiah 66 15-17 , God is calling it a abomination, , would that be a fair statement ? this is what it says.

Isaiah 66 never mentions food. It does mention a bunch of other things the children of Israel doing which were against the law. One mention is of idols, and another is about an improper sacrifice. Although they were sacrificing clean animals, they were doing it out of habit rather then with their hearts into it, so the effect would be for nothing, or as if they were sacrificing a pig. But, nothing about food. 

While clean animals for sacrifice are almost identitical to animals which are clean for food, they are not the same. Some animal categories which might be clean for food are not because that animal is designated for sacrifice, so in that case a calf would not be clean for food, but would be clean for sacrifice. Isaiah 66 only discusses sacrifices and a bunch of other things.