What Is Christian Unity?

[Hoddie]

2 hours ago, RustyAngeL said:

You keep speaking about the Church,... I believe you mean the Catholic Church,

Yes, you are correct, the Church that Jesus founded, The Holy Catholic Church. If you beleive Jesus did not, who do you say did, and when? I can tell you who started all of the Protestant sects, and when they came into exsistence starting in the 16th c. if you'd like.

when I speak of the Church I'm speaking of the Body of Christ not a physical church.

So is it your beleif that the Church which Jesus Christ founded is an "invisible church"? If so, in Matt. 18:17-18, it say's...."And if he refuse to hear them, appeal to the Church, but if he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican. Amen I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven."

Could you Please show me how anyone can appeal to an "invisible church"?

As for you Bible Only (sola scriptura) believers, in order to satisfy the word of GOD in these verses, to which Church would you go if you lived in 100, or 300, or 700, or 1000, or 1400 A.D.?

And in 1Cor. 12:28 it say's..... "And GOD indeed has placed some in the Church, first Apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers; after that miracles, then gifts of healing, services of help, power of administration, and the speaking of various tongues."

Could you explain to me how could any of these members of Christs Church be invisible? How could they communicate? How could the 'power of administration' govern an invisible Church?

In 1Tim. 3:15 it also say's...... "if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth."

Of which Church is St Paul speaking in this verse? How could it be an "invisible" Church?

　

Peace

[Hoddie]

1 hour ago, Ezra said:

Hoddie,

All you have proven thus far is that you love and propagate Catholic propaganda.

Thank you for your fallible and open for error personal opinion Erza.

So it would be a sheer waste of time engaging in further discussions.

In other words.... you got nothing...... your stumped!

　

Peace

[Guest Teditis]

23 minutes ago, angels4u said:

23 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Can we please not turn this thread in a RC  against  Protestant topic ?

All the Christians are the church there is no denomination which will bring us to heaven, only Jesus can.. 

 

The Body of Christ
11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines. 12The body is a unit, though it is comprised of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink.…

 

Can we please not turn this thread in a RC  against  Protestant topic ?

All the Christians are the church there is no denomination which will bring us to heaven, only Jesus can.. 

 

The Body of Christ
11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines. 12The body is a unit, though it is comprised of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink.…

 

I think that the fact that the thread migrated the way it has goes to show that there is indeed some level of disunity in "the Church".

And this disunity is in the source, aim, views etc., that are mentioned in the OP.

Protestants need to understand that the RCC has been the prominent stewards in Church history and indeed has lead the way and blazed new trails

for the Church that is today... which btw is broken and in disunity.

We must pay respect for the RCC for being what they were in "our" history. And the hatred and demonizing that comes from many protestant

members, here on Worthy as is elsewhere, does nothing for the Glory of Christ in our responsibility to get along with our Brothers/Sisters in Christ.

It's rather a shameful place that Christianity is in right now... it shows that we're in the End Times. When we can't even have civil discussions

about our different points of view about how to live out our Faith in Christ, while allowing others' to live out quite different ways of life in Christ.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Teditis

[Hoddie]

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

I pray God opens their eyes like He did mine.

If I were the demon assigned to the Church of Rome,

Just more anti-Catholic drivel Haz. I won't even quote the post to spare everyones intelligence. Like I said before Haz, your creditalibilty is squat!

[HAZARD]

33 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Can we please not turn this thread in a RC  against  Protestant topic ?

All the Christians are the church there is no denomination which will bring us to heaven, only Jesus can.. 

 

The Body of Christ
11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines. 12The body is a unit, though it is comprised of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink.…

 

OP> What is Christian Unity.

It was not a RC against Protestant topic until I posted this on page 8;

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No particular church named in these two verses stated by Jesus;

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:"

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That post must have upset Hoodi because he believes the "RCC is THE ONE" and he derailed and turned this thread into a RC  against  Protestant topic by posting this response. And he's keeping it up expecting us to fold??

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     On ‎27‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 8:04 AM, HAZARD said:

No particular church named in these two verses stated by Jesus;

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Once again Haz, you are trying to use your "Cafeteria Christianity" to make a point. Others may buy into it, but I am not. To get the full meaning of Jn.17:11 you must include the previous ten verses. In his Last Supper discourse Jesus speaks of his glory and the glory of his Father. What is this glory? It is the cross which Jesus speaks of here. How does the cross reveal his glory? In the cross God reveals the breadth of his great love for sinners and the power of redemption which cancels the debt of sin and reverses the curse of our condemnation. Jesus gave his Father the supreme honor and glory through his obedience and willingness to go to the cross. The greatest honor, trust, and love any person can give one's leader is through his obedience even to the point of sacrificing his own life. In warfare the greatest honor belongs not to those who survive but to those who give the supreme sacrifice of their own lives for their fellow countrymen. Jesus also speaks of the Father bringing glory to the Son through the great mystery of the Incarnation and Cross of Christ. God the Father gave us his only begotten Son for our redemption and deliverance from slavery to sin and death. There is no greater proof of God's love for each and every person on the face of the earth than the Cross of Jesus Christ. In the cross we see a new way of love — a love that is unconditional, sacrificial and generous beyond comprehension.

Jesus also speaks of eternal life. What is eternal life? It is more than simply endless time. Science today looks for ways to extend the duration of life; but that doesn't necessarily make life better for us here. Eternal life is qualitative more than quantitative. To have eternal life is to have the life of God within us. When we possess eternal life we experience here and now something of God's majesty, his peace, joy and love and the holiness which characterizes the life of God. Jesus also speaks of the knowledge of God. Jesus tells his disciples that they can know the only true God. Knowledge of God is not simply limited to knowing something about God, but we can know God personally. The essence of Christianity, and what makes it distinct from Judaism and other religions, is the knowledge of God as our Father. Jesus makes it possible for each of us to personally know God as our Father. To see Jesus is to see what God is like. In Jesus we see the perfect love of God -- a God who cares intensely and who yearns over men and women, loving them to the point of laying down his life for them upon the Cross. Jesus is the revelation of God -- a God who loves us completely, unconditionally and perfectly.

 

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John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

As for Jn.17:22, goes Haz, again you must include verses 20,21,23-26 with verse 22 to get the full gist of it. On the eve of his sacrifice, when Jesus celebrated his last supper with his apostles, he prayed for their unity and for the unity of all who would believe in him and become his disciples. God desires unity for all of his people, for married couples, families, communities, and churches across every land and nation. Sadly division and strife is often the result of personal pride, sin, prejudice, and the failure to love, forgive, and reconcile. That is why prayer is so necessary, both for safeguarding unity and for healing and restoration wherever unity has been broken.

Jesus knew the weakness of his disciples, their competitive spirit to see who would rank first, their dislike for Samaritans and others who were not of their own company, and the fear that would scatter them and make them deny their Lord when Jesus' enemies arrested him in the Garden of Gethsemani and nailed him to the cross on Calvary. John tells us that Jesus loved his own to the very end (John 13:1). Nothing could break nor diminish the love he had for them, not even betrayal and rejection. As disciples of Jesus we are called to love and lay down our lives for all who believe in him. If we are willing to die for our brothers and sisters in Christ, how much more should we strive to live in harmony, love, and unity with one another.

Jesus' high priestly prayer at the last supper is directed towards all who will come after him and follow him as his disciples. In a special way Jesus prays here for us that as members of his body the church we would be united in one heart and mind as he and his Father are one. The unity of Jesus and his Father is a unity of mind and heart, mutal love and trust, honor and respect. Because Jesus loved us first and united us in baptism we are called to live in a unity of love. Jesus’ prayer on the eve of his sacrifice shows the great love and trust he has in his beloved disciples. He knows they would abandon him in his hour of trial, yet he entrusted to them the great task of spreading his name throughout the world and to the end of the ages. The Lord entrust us with the same mission – to make him known and loved by all. Jesus died and rose again that all might be one as he and the Father are one."

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[Hoddie]

1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

 

Yes.  It has been done.  (elsewhere - not permitted on this site). 

Could you please elaborate?

But also you have been 'shown' over and over what is anti-BIBLE about rcc teachings.

You are mistaken, I have as of yet seen where anybody (in this or any other forum) has shown "over and over" that the Roman Catholic Rite or any other Rites of the Catholic Church's teachings that are "anti-bible." Besides, how could the Catholic Church be anti-bible when it was the Catholic Church that compiled it? Your statement makes no sence whatsoever!

Those are the clue - those are what to avoid - whatever is anti-BIBLE.

I'll tell whats anti-bible........ the unbiblical doctrine of the Bible Alone. (sola scriptura)

　

Yes, and can be both seen by outsiders, and also easily proven by testing - BIBLICAL TESTING, NOT testing by popularity(which so far has always been wrong; always. "popularity" is usually a good sign something is evil and wicked). (yes, even if a billion people or more go along(In REVELATION it is written the whole world refuses to turn to YHWH) , and it is still evil).

Say's who?

Yes. This is required. And expected of anyone and everyone seeking YHWH'S KINGDOM. Seek according to HIS WORD and HIS REVELATION - look and see : it is clearly visible when an assembly obeys and lives as Y'SHUA says.

So is this your fallible or infallible opinion?

　

Peace

[HAZARD]

 Hoodie keptit up saying I left our certain verses to which I posted the entire chapter, John 17:1-13. and ended with;

Again, no mention of any church in these Scriptures spoken by Jesus. Its all about UNITY!

 

 

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"Jesus prays to his Father.

   

1, These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
    2, As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
    3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
    4, I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
    5, And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
    6, I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
    7, Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
    8, For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
    9, I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
    10, And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
    11, And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
    12, While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
    13, And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

Again, no particular church named in these 13 verses spoken by Jesus;

John 17: 14-26.

14, I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    15, I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
    16, They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    17, Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
    18, As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
    19, And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified1 through the truth.
    20, Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
    21, That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
    22, And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
    23, I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
    24, Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
    25, O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
    26, And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Again, no mention of any church in these Scriptures spoken by Jesus. Its all about UNITY!"[/quote]

To appease Hoodi I should have said;

Praise Mary, Queen of Heaven, mother of God Himself, in the Highest, Pray for me Mary for my error, the Catholic church headed by the Pope is the true church, I'm so sorry, I will go to a priest at my earliest convenience, and confess my error to him and I also pray he gives me a great penance, like 10 rosaries, a thousand hail Maries, and 20 stations of the cross. That should cover my sin. "NOT"

 

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[HAZARD]

45 minutes ago, Hoddie said:

Could you please elaborate?

You are mistaken, I have as of yet seen where anybody (in this or any other forum) has shown "over and over" that the Roman Catholic Rite or any other Rites of the Catholic Church's teachings that are "anti-bible." Besides, how could the Catholic Church be anti-bible when it was the Catholic Church that compiled it? Your statement makes no sence whatsoever!

I'll tell whats anti-bible........ the unbiblical doctrine of the Bible Alone. (sola scriptura)

Say's who?

So is this your fallible or infallible opinion?

Peace

 

Is this written anywhere in Scripture? Invention of Scapulars, Medals, and Edible Religious Stamps -- 1600 A.D. -- People are so eager to think they can obtain eternal salvation without having to change their hearts and minds through Jesus' Blood.  And I can think of no better way to provide false "assurance" of easy salvation than through Scapulars, Medals, and Edible Religious Stamps.  I love the scapular.  Listen to its "assurances" to the gullible pagan believer.

 

"Whosoever dies clothed in this Scapular shall not suffer eternal fire." [Mary's promise to St. Simon Stock, July 16, 1251]

 And how about this easy promise of eternal salvation.

"Our Lord taught us to say the Our Father.  Mary taught us the value of the Scapular. When we use it as a prayer, Our Lady draws us to the Sacred Heart of Her Divine Son.  It is well, therefore, to hold the scapular in the hand while addressing Our Lady." [The Blue Army of Our Lady of Fatima, Washington, NJ 07882, ImprimaturL +Thomas M. O'Leary, D.D. Bishop of Springfield]

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And check this out people;

 

Christianizing pagan obelisks. The obelisk was created by the demon Prince of Egypt, one of the most powerful demons in Hell.  He whispered in the mind of the Egyptian leaders that the Spirit of their Sun God, Ra, resided within the obelisk.  The Egyptians were told to "face the obelisk" at least once per day, and thrice if possible.

 

The Roman Catholic Church went whole-hog crazy over obelisks.  They virtually stripped Egypt of its plentiful supply, shipping them to Rome, and erecting them everywhere.  The  Pope bought the most famous Egyptian obelisk of all time, Cleopatra's Needle.  When he had brought it into Rome, he designed it so it would sit right in the middle of the 8-Fold Path of Enlightenment, right in St. Peter's Basilica.  In this way, the Pope is in perfect position to "face the obelisk" daily, as many times as he wants to.

[Hoddie]

1 hour ago, woundeddog said:

Forgot one---- need to have a Goddess that folks would put their trust in, how about Simeramous, oh wait the demons used that name already-- lets give her a different name

Really woundeddog.... I thought you were smarter than that... falling for Haz's anti-Catholic drivel?

And if you are comparing the Blessed Virgin Mary (Lk.1:48) with some demonic goddess, how do plan on explaing that one to Jesus? If this is the case, I sure wouldn't want to be in your shoes when that time comes. You might want to seek forgivness for dis-respecting His Mother if it is..

Peace

[Hoddie]

2 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

And check this out people;

Your desperateness is really startng to show Haz.....  if it wasn't so sad, it would almost be funny. I will continue to keep you in my prayers.

I hope and pray you find peace