Luther: 500 years back. Read some german

[Melony]

Lets start with his 95 thesis (all this - is protestant church - historie)

"The hole life should be repentance"... 1: Da unser Herr und Meister Jesus Christus spricht „Tut Buße“ u.s.w. (Matth. 4,17), hat er gewollt, daß das ganze Leben der Gläubigen Buße sein soll.

499 years after this we do have more than one good protestant church. What good can we inherrited of this. / Luther gab diese Thesen an einige Bekannte weiter, die sie kurze Zeit später ohne sein Wissen veröffentlicht hatten. Somit wurden sie Gegenstand der öffentlichen Diskussion im gesamten Reich. (Luther gave this to some friends who had published it.)

 

Edited November 2, 2016 by Melony

[nebula]

2 hours ago, Yowm said:

Actually the plural (95) of thesis is theses. English First.

English first?

I'm trying to figure out a good tease for "hole life" that is actually funny (and doesn't come across as insulting).

[GoldenEagle]

6 hours ago, Melony said:

Lets start with his 95 thesis

"The hole life should be repentance"... 1: Da unser Herr und Meister Jesus Christus spricht „Tut Buße“ u.s.w. (Matth. 4,17), hat er gewollt, daß das ganze Leben der Gläubigen Buße sein soll.

 

499 years after this we do have more than one good protestant church. What good can we inherrited of this. / Luther gab diese Thesen an einige Bekannte weiter, die sie kurze Zeit später ohne sein Wissen veröffentlicht hatten. Somit wurden sie Gegenstand der öffentlichen Diskussion im gesamten Reich. (Luther gave this to some friends who had published it.)

 

Hi Melony what's the point of your post? 

56 minutes ago, nebula said:

English first?

I'm trying to figure out a good tease for "hole life" that is actually funny (and doesn't come across as insulting).

Since our Lord and Master Jesus Christ speaks "do penance" u.s.w. (Matthew 4:17), he has willed that the whole life of the faithful should be repentance.

Luther passed these theses on to some acquaintances whom they had published shortly afterwards without his knowledge. Thus, they were the subject of public discussion throughout the empire.

This is a very rough translation Neb.  

 

God bless,
GE

[nebula]

4 minutes ago, GoldenEagle said:

Since our Lord and Master Jesus Christ speaks "do penance" u.s.w. (Matthew 4:17), he has willed that the whole life of the faithful should be repentance.

Luther passed these theses on to some acquaintances whom they had published shortly afterwards without his knowledge. Thus, they were the subject of public discussion throughout the empire.

This is a very rough translation Neb.  

Sorry, GE, but I've grown up and then been around with people who like to tease errors - not to make fun of, but just to have fun with the mundane.

I recall another forum I had been on where someone spelled raison d'etre as "raisin de'etre" - and the next post teased about the use of the word "raisin", and then the whole rest of the thread ended up becoming devoted to raisin, prune, any dried fruit pun imaginable. It was quite hysterical!

So, yeah, when I saw "hole life" - I couldn't help but think, "There's got to be a good pun in there."

 

In any event, it was a lot easier to focus on that since, like you, I had no idea what discussion the OP was trying to prod out of the statement.

[GoldenEagle]

Maybe Melony will come back to clarify at some point...

[RustyAngeL]

On 10/9/2016 at 7:56 PM, GoldenEagle said:

Hi Melony what's the point of your post? 

Since our Lord and Master Jesus Christ speaks "do penance" u.s.w. (Matthew 4:17), he has willed that the whole life of the faithful should be repentance.

Luther passed these theses on to some acquaintances whom they had published shortly afterwards without his knowledge. Thus, they were the subject of public discussion throughout the empire.

This is a very rough translation Neb.  

 

God bless,
GE

That is what I"m wondering, what is the point of all of this?

[Melony]

Luther had banged this „thesis paper“ and fixed it on a few church doors like a printed poster. - for the purpose of theological discussion

So, this is „No one of the M. Luther -95- thesis“ document. And all of this happened at 31.10. / Oktober 1517. We look back into Euorpean historie. The verry collums in Rome at St. Peters cathedral were largely payed by this money. (People had started to give – in a wrong motivated attitude of – the repentance. / Luther started to interviene with this big churchy-money-buisiness) To begin with: It seemed to be not more than a Kritical voice. – He had started to discuss Rome s Misunderstanding regardubg repentance. (Misunderstanding – do not think you can „ pay your way out“ of sin).

Luther was later trying hard to make it clear. All he meant was Faith and religion. (The Farmers live was more like slaves at the time. A Call for changing more practicall live situation brought a lot of rebelios missunderstanding to the surface.) There were already 16 other older german translations around. But in only 11 weeks he was going– to translate his New Testament. He made it as a fresh spoken German bible. Many have said with this act had formed our language. The print media started to flourish through this. People than bought M Luthers books. He preached a lot and got well known as a national hero. And a lot of practical things did change. 1525 he dared to marrie a nonne. 1517- 1546 all this took some 30 Years of his life. Many things stopped after his death. (And the kathololics concored the local teritory land just one year after Luthers death.) But his books were there. And a non ending european war was fought about 100 years later from 1618- 1648. They would loos 2 thirds (more than 60%) of the population in these protestant / katholic fights... Much of Europe s lokal diffrences (north / to south) have roots in that time.

 

Edited November 2, 2016 by Melony

[Melony]

So he started this – discussion of what – „repantance could mean.“ This is at the heart of first steps into Lutheran changes of early church historie.

Luther later dared to write all this in an extended letter to the pope himself. With further documents He was than trying to explane this same thing over and over again.