Did Jesus go to hell and back????

[Khristeeanos]

Jesus went to the place called "Abraham's" bosom.  He did not go to the place of punishment.  Hades was divided into two parts separated by uncrossable gulf.

Those who teach that Jesus suffered in Hell, deny the gospel of salvation which says that man's sins were payed for completely upon the cross.  Sin defeated when Jesus said, "It is finished."  Jesus did not suffer for our sins in hell, and to say otherwise is to deny the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice.

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I'll say amen to this. I am glad it was finished at the cross.

LT

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What Jesus did on the cross was the provision, but it would have been incomplete without the RESURRECTION from the dead.

So Christ's work wasn't finished on the cross. He still had business. Read 1 Cor. 15.

[Guest shiloh357]

Jesus went to the place called "Abraham's" bosom.

[Guest NewPilgrim]

1Pe 3:18

Edited March 22, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[Guest shiloh357]

A popular belief is that Ch3v18 atually implies that those in the Old Testament had a form of the gospel through the teachings of Moses, the witness of the great Prophets etc... But this just doesn't ring true for me, there is only one Gospel and it was not preached through any of the ancient prophets. While there is no doubt that Jesus appeared as the Word of God in the Old testament, he was not preaching salvation through his death and resurrection, neither was anyone else.

Wrong.

The gospel was preached to Abraham according to Paul in Galatians. Furthermore you can teach on the death burial and resurrection of Jesus, and can prove the Jesus is the Messiah, AND that Jesus is God, and NEVER leave the OT.

The gospel is all over the Old Testament. It is in the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings.

Paul had to preach out of the Old Testament, and He preached the Gospel. How could he preach the gospel if it was not already in the words of the Torah and the Prophets? He had to prove the identity of the Messiah solely out of the OT.

You need to think that comment through a bit better.

[Guest NewPilgrim]

As I'm sure you know, you're referring to typology and prophecy. the whole of the Old testament revolves around the messiah, the foretelling of the Christ and theres is a great deal of symbolism of his life, his ministry, his sacrifice etc... The ceder meal is a picture of Christ, as he indicated to the apostles at the last supper, the blood sacrifices of Mosaic law look forward to the blood sacrifice of Yeshua.

The Gospel as preached to Abraham was not one of atoning blood or personal sacrifice, but the promise that through Abraham all nations would be blessed, and we, knowing Christ, know that the blessing comes through the sacrificial blood of Christ. Neither ABraham nor any of his descendants before Christ Knew of his atoning blood.

The point you seem to be missing...or perhaps connecting too easily, is that Old Testament covenant accredited righteousness foremost by faith and secondly by various types of animal sacrifice. None of these were gospel sacrifice, only a faint image. Had they been preached of the gospel, then animal sacrifice would not have been required at that time, but only faith in Yeshuah Hameshiach since, according to you, they would have had the fulness of the gospel in whom to put their faith. However, though they knew the Messiah would come, they did not know his identity and would not know it until his advent. As we know, when he did come, some recognised him, others did not. By his sacrifice, the sacrifices of old were rendered useless, and since they are useless then the Old Testament folk need to accept his sacrifice for their sins, albeit in their now spiritual existence. God is Just, all men are equal and by his grace and justice all men enter in by one blood, one sacrifice.

So why did God institute animal sacrifice in the first place, since the sacrifice of Christ has rendered it useless throughout all time? - Because in his wisdom he chose to glorify himself by sending the Messiah not at the fall of man, but some 4000-odd years after the transgression. But until that time came, perhaps he instigated blood sacrifice for sin so that when He DID come, they would know and understand through this longstanding practice WHY he had to die and that it was not just a criminal's death (even with this understanding, many Jews still saw his death as a failure. imagine how fewer would have believed and followed him if they didnt even understand the need for blood sacrifice) . I can only imagine that all of this was to glorify God and his Son by the use of prophecy and typology, amongst other things.

Edited March 23, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[Guest wilburnh]

Just have a small disagreement. Someone said that Jesus was the book of life? How can this be so when the book is in from of God and He's asking who is able to open when in walks Christ stage left? I do believe He is the Word, but that does not have to include the book of life. Please post why you believe this.

God bless

calvin

[rancan6776]

I believe the spirit of Jesus went straight to heaven after his death.

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto you, TODAY shall you be with ME in paradise.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into your hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the spirit.

[hopeful34]

oops.. see next post

Edited March 30, 2005 by hopeful34

[hopeful34]

Jesus came to die for our sins. He descended into hell and conquered sin and death for us. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The bible says in Revelation ch. 20, v.13: And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Then v.14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. v.15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. He died and conquered death and hell for us if we believe in him and accept him as our Lord and Savior, our name will be written in the book of life. Jesus said, " We are saved by grace, through faith. Romans Ch10, v17 says So then, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. We should study to show ourselves approved. Jesus said, "there is no way unto the Father, but by me." We are saved from eternal damnation when we accept Jesus as our Saviour and confess our sins. He told us before he died on the cross he would send us another comforter, the Holy Ghost. Then he died for our sins, descended into hell and conquered death , rose again on the third day, then ascended into heaven. He will come again a second time and judge every man, and if we are saved, we will not suffer second death. He said, "i go to prepare a place for you, and if i go, i will come again, and recieve you unto myself, that where i am, there ye may be also. In my fathers house are many mansions. If it were not true, i would have told you." Mark Ch.13,v32 Jesus words.. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. v.33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. v34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants and to everyman his work; and commanded the porter to watch. v35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even or at midnight, or at the cock-crowing, or in the morning: v36 Lest comming suddenly, he find you sleeping. v 37 And what i say unto you, i say unto all, Watch.

If that isn't love

The ocean is dry

Theirs no stars in the sky

And the sparrow can't fly

If that isn't love

Then heaven's a myth

There's no felling like this

If that isn't love

Edited March 30, 2005 by hopeful34

[Esh]

Here is a quick overview of the words translated as hell:

Tartaurus:

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2 Peter 2:4

Gehenna:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 10:28

What else do we know about this "Valley of Hinnom" outside Jerusalem? It had a rich history before it became the city dump. In this valley, the ancient Canaanites worshiped Baal and the fire-god Molech by sacrificing their children in a fire that burned continuously. Ahaz and Manasseh, two of the kings of Judah, revived this horrible practice when Baalism became the state religion of Judah (1 Kings 11:7; 2 Chronicles 28:3; 33:6). King Josiah finally put an end to this worship. He defiled the valley in order to make it unfit even for pagan worship (2 Kings 23:10-14). By the time of the Messiah, it had become nothing more than a garbage dump. As for its future, Jeremiah has prophecied that God will send so much destruction on Jerusalem that this valley would be known as the "Valley of Slaughter" (Jeremiah 7:31-34; 19:2-6).

Sheol:

And if ye take this also from me, and mischief befall him, ye shall bring down my gray hairs with sorrow to the grave.

Genesis 44:29

They, and all that [appertained] to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

Numbers 16:33

For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Deuteronomy 32:22

YHWH killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

1 Samuel 2:6

O YHWH, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

Psalms 30:3

The problem seems to stem from the fact that the poplar notion of hell is a false composite of Tartarus (where the fallen angels are sent to), Gehenna (a place of destuction), and Sheol (where men go when they die).