David1701 Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) On 5/2/2017 at 3:04 PM, rjs310 said: I have had a number of debates with folks claiming that the creation account between Genesis 1&2 are different z this showing that Genesis can't be judge's as an historical account of creation. I have answers for them, but before I share I was wondering about your thoughts on the subject. Gen. 1:1-2:3 gives us a chronological account of creation. Gen. 2:4-25 focuses on day 6 of the creation week, giving more detail. Edited September 10, 2021 by David1701 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagzie harb Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 60 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/06/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2021 Genesis 1 verse 1...God created the heavens and the earth,not in vain(tohu) See Isaiah 45:18 Genesis 1 verse 2...The earth became tohu bohu...waste and void. When God and the Word created all things, all things were made perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,237 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,491 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 5/2/2017 at 9:35 PM, rjs310 said: Well it appears that you stole my thunder! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, nagzie harb said: Genesis 1 verse 1...God created the heavens and the earth,not in vain(tohu) See Isaiah 45:18 Genesis 1 verse 2...The earth became tohu bohu...waste and void. When God and the Word created all things, all things were made perfect. It does not say "became", it says "was". The Earth was unformed and unfilled (tohu bohu), as originally created. Over the six days of the creation week, the Earth was formed and filled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagzie harb Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 60 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/06/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, David1701 said: It does not say "became", it says "was". The Earth was unformed and unfilled (tohu bohu), as originally created. Over the six days of the creation week, the Earth was formed and filled. The KJV translates Strong's H1961 in the following manner: was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained. It makes no sense for God to create something in the beginning void and chaotic.I should add that God is not the author of chaos disorder and confusion.. 1 Corinthians 14:33 Edited September 10, 2021 by nagzie harb 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, nagzie harb said: The KJV translates Strong's H1961 in the following manner: was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained. It makes no sense for God to create something in the beginning void and chaotic.I should add that God is not the author of chaos disorder and confusion.. 1 Corinthians 14:33 It does not say that the Earth was chaotic to begin with. It was unformed and unfilled, which is not the same thing as chaotic. Creation was over the course of six days. During that period, the Earth was given its proper form and it was filled. You make a foundation first, then you form the house on it and fill the house with what it needs. It was not all done on day one, although God could have done it that way, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2021 The phrase "spirit of God was hovering over the waters" looks to be a reference to primordial chaos - ocean, seas, water were common ANE symbols of chaos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 17 hours ago, enoob57 said: Yes and you have added the complication of God sanctifying sin and death.... Not at all. The angels sinned and fell before Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagzie harb Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 60 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/06/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, David1701 said: It does not say that the Earth was chaotic to begin with. It was unformed and unfilled, which is not the same thing as chaotic. Creation was over the course of six days. During that period, the Earth was given its proper form and it was filled. You make a foundation first, then you form the house on it and fill the house with what it needs. It was not all done on day one, although God could have done it that way, of course. The word "created" in Genesis 1:1 is from the Hebrew "bara"-of something new. The word "made" in Genesis 1:7 and so on, is Hebrew "asa" - to fashion, make from an already existing thing. Adam and Eve were told to "replenish"mala" the earth- to accomplish,complete. All this would suggest that God made the earth perfect,as He always does,and something caused His creation to be distroyed into chaos and darkness. Edited September 10, 2021 by nagzie harb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, David1701 said: It does not say that the Earth was chaotic to begin with. It was unformed and unfilled, which is not the same thing as chaotic. Creation was over the course of six days. During that period, the Earth was given its proper form and it was filled. You make a foundation first, then you form the house on it and fill the house with what it needs. It was not all done on day one, although God could have done it that way, of course. 4 hours ago, nagzie harb said: Genesis 1 verse 1...God created the heavens and the earth, not in vain(tohu) See Isaiah 45:18 Genesis 1 verse 2...The earth became tohu bohu...waste and void. When God and the Word created all things, all things were made perfect. (Isaiah 45:18) For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the LORD, and there is no other. [ESV] It is obvious that the chaos of Genesis 1:1 indicates a judgement upon the planet Earth and the Heavens prior to the creation of mankind. God did not make anything waste and void. You David1701 are limiting God to using existing unformed materials and water which the Spirit of God hovered over. nagzie harb makes some good points you are glossing over. Scriptures taken as a whole instead of nitpicking confirm and explain this understanding. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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