Problem of Genesis 1&2

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, David1701 said:

It's how we know what the correct history is; but, only someone who believes what God's word says would know that.

Just pointing out that until there was a sun, there would be no literal evenings or mornings.   Hebrew specifically refers to those with respect to the sun.

 

 

[Delattre]

It's not a question of two different stories.  It's a literary procédé as is often seen in a articles in educational journals.  First there is an abstract that highlights the major points followed by restating that information in the body of the paper with more precise details.  A master's thesis and a doctoral dissertation also uses this same style.  

[David1701]

17 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Just pointing out that until there was a sun, there would be no literal evenings or mornings.   Hebrew specifically refers to those with respect to the sun.

 

 

There was a light source, before the sun.  All that's needed is a rotating earth, to have evening, morning and a complete day.

Gen. 1:3-5 (WEB)

 3  God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
  4 God saw the light, and saw that it was good. God divided the light from the darkness.
  5 God called the light “day”, and the darkness he called “night”. There was evening and there was morning, the first day. 

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

There was a light source, before the sun.  All that's needed is a rotating earth, to have evening, morning and a complete day.

No.   By definition in both Hebrew and English, "evening" is when the sun goes down, and "morning" is when it appears.

"Big light in the sky" is not what either of those mean.

 

[David1701]

16 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

No.   By definition in both Hebrew and English, "evening" is when the sun goes down, and "morning" is when it appears.

"Big light in the sky" is not what either of those mean.

 

Well then, I'm sure the Author of Genesis is in need of your "wisdom"...

[Waggles]

22 hours ago, David1701 said:

There was a light source, before the sun. 

That is adding to scripture and also a pretty poor speculation at that.

The word of God does not state that God created another "sun" before he created the Sun and the Moon. God said "let there be light."

When the Sun of our solar system is created God said - 14  ... Let there be lights in the vaulted dome of heaven to separate day from night, and let them be as signs and for appointed times, and for days and years,

Also the speculation is nonsensical for if God created a ball of burning gas - a star in the first 'day' - then it would make sense to create our Sun from the beginning as the pivotal point for all further creation of the solar system. 

Let there be light is a declaration by God that the Creator is now present to begin the process of time in the universe and for our world.

[David1701]

2 minutes ago, Waggles said:

That is adding to scripture and also a pretty poor speculation at that.

The word of God does not state that God created another "sun" before he created the Sun and the Moon. God said "let there be light."

When the Sun of our solar system is created God said - 14  ... Let there be lights in the vaulted dome of heaven to separate day from night, and let them be as signs and for appointed times, and for days and years,

Also the speculation is nonsensical for if God created a ball of burning gas - a star in the first 'day' - then it would make sense to create our Sun from the beginning as the pivotal point for all further creation of the solar system. 

Let there be light is a declaration by God that the Creator is now present to begin the process of time in the universe and for our world.

Gen. 1:3-5 (WEB)

 3  God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
  4 God saw the light, and saw that it was good. God divided the light from the darkness.
  5 God called the light “day”, and the darkness he called “night”. There was evening and there was morning, the first day. 

Let the reader decide if the poster's commentary bears any relation to what the verses actually say.

[Waggles]

47 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Let the reader decide if the poster's commentary bears any relation to what the verses actually say.

Yes a very good point for your speculation certainly does not.

[B-B]

¹ In the beginning ⁷²²⁵ God ⁴³⁰ created ^1254 853 the heaven ⁸⁰⁶⁴ and ⁸⁵³ the earth ⁷⁷⁶.

² And the earth ⁷⁷⁶ was ¹⁹⁶¹ without form ⁸⁴¹⁴, and void ⁹²²; and darkness ²⁸²² was upon the face ⁶⁴⁴⁰ of the deep ⁸⁴¹⁵. And the Spirit ⁷³⁰⁷ of God ⁴³⁰ moved ⁷³⁶³ upon ⁵⁹²¹ the face ⁶⁴⁴⁰ of the waters ⁴³²⁵.

³ And God ⁴³⁰ said ⁵⁵⁹, Let there be ¹⁹⁶¹ light ²¹⁶: and there was light ²¹⁶.

⁴ And God ⁴³⁰ saw ^7200 853 the light ²¹⁶, that ³⁵⁸⁸ it was good ²⁸⁹⁶: and God ⁴³⁰ divided ^914 996 the light ²¹⁶ from ⁹⁹⁶ the darkness ²⁸²².

⁵ And God ⁴³⁰ called ⁷¹²¹ the light ²¹⁶ Day ³¹¹⁷, and the darkness ²⁸²² he called ⁷¹²¹ Night ³⁹¹⁵. And the evening ⁶¹⁵³ and the morning ¹²⁴² were the first ²⁵⁹ day ³¹¹⁷.

⁶ And God ⁴³⁰ said ⁵⁵⁹, Let there be a firmament ⁷⁵⁴⁹ in the midst ⁸⁴³² of the waters ⁴³²⁵, and let it divide ⁹¹⁴ the waters ⁴³²⁵ from the waters ⁴³²⁵.

⁷ And God ⁴³⁰ made ⁶²¹³ the firmament ⁷⁵⁴⁹, and divided ⁹¹⁴ the waters ⁴³²⁵ which ⁸³⁴ were under ⁸⁴⁷⁸ the firmament ⁷⁵⁴⁹ from the waters ⁴³²⁵ which ⁸³⁴ were above ⁵⁹²¹ the firmament ⁷⁵⁴⁹: and it was so ³⁶⁵¹.

⁸ And God ⁴³⁰ called ⁷¹²¹ the firmament ⁷⁵⁴⁹ Heaven ⁸⁰⁶⁴. And the evening ⁶¹⁵³ and the morning ¹²⁴² were the second ⁸¹⁴⁵ day ³¹¹⁷.

⁹ And God ⁴³⁰ said ⁵⁵⁹, Let the waters ⁴³²⁵ under the heaven ⁸⁰⁶⁴ be gathered together ⁶⁹⁶⁰ unto ⁴¹³ one ²⁵⁹ place ⁴⁷²⁵, and let the dry ³⁰⁰⁴ land appear ⁷²⁰⁰: and it was so.

¹⁰ And God ⁴³⁰ called ⁷¹²¹ the dry ³⁰⁰⁴ land Earth ⁷⁷⁶; and the gathering together ⁴⁷²³ of the waters ⁴³²⁵ called ⁷¹²¹ he Seas ³²²⁰: and God ⁴³⁰ saw ⁷²⁰⁰ that it was good ²⁸⁹⁶.

¹¹ And God ⁴³⁰ said ⁵⁵⁹, Let the earth ⁷⁷⁶ bring forth ¹⁸⁷⁶ grass ¹⁸⁷⁷, the herb ⁶²¹² yielding ²²³² seed ²²³³, and the fruit ⁶⁵²⁹ tree ⁶⁰⁸⁶ yielding ⁶²¹³ fruit ⁶⁵²⁹ after his kind ⁴³²⁷, whose ⁸³⁴ seed ²²³³ is in itself, upon the earth ⁷⁷⁶: and it was so.

¹² And the earth ⁷⁷⁶ brought forth ³³¹⁸ grass ¹⁸⁷⁷, and herb ⁶²¹² yielding ²²³² seed ²²³³ after his kind ⁴³²⁷, and the tree ⁶⁰⁸⁶ yielding ⁶²¹³ fruit ⁶⁵²⁹, whose seed ²²³³ was in itself, after his kind ⁴³²⁷: and God ⁴³⁰ saw ⁷²⁰⁰ that it was good ²⁸⁹⁶.

¹³ And the evening ⁶¹⁵³ and the morning ¹²⁴² were the third ⁷⁹⁹² day ³¹¹⁷.

¹⁴ And God ⁴³⁰ said ⁵⁵⁹, Let there be lights ³⁹⁷⁴ in the firmament ⁷⁵⁴⁹ of the heaven ⁸⁰⁶⁴ to divide ⁹¹⁴ the day ³¹¹⁷ from the night ³⁹¹⁵; and let them be for signs ²²⁶, and for seasons ⁴¹⁵⁰, and for days ³¹¹⁷, and years ⁸¹⁴¹:

¹⁵ And let them be for lights ³⁹⁷⁴ in the firmament ⁷⁵⁴⁹ of the heaven ⁸⁰⁶⁴ to give light ²¹⁵ upon the earth ⁷⁷⁶: and it was so.

¹⁶ And God ⁴³⁰ made ⁶²¹³ two ⁸¹⁴⁷ great ¹⁴¹⁹ lights ³⁹⁷⁴; the greater ¹⁴¹⁹ light ³⁹⁷⁴ to rule ⁴⁴⁷⁵ the day ³¹¹⁷, and the lesser ⁶⁹⁹⁶ light ³⁹⁷⁴ to rule ⁴⁴⁷⁵ the night ³⁹¹⁵: he made the stars ³⁵⁵⁶ also.

¹⁷ And God ⁴³⁰ set ⁵⁴¹⁴ them in the firmament ⁷⁵⁴⁹ of the heaven ⁸⁰⁶⁴ to give light ²¹⁵ upon the earth ⁷⁷⁶,

¹⁸ And to rule ⁴⁹¹⁰ over the day ³¹¹⁷ and over the night ³⁹¹⁵, and to divide ⁹¹⁴ the light ²¹⁶ from the darkness ²⁸²²: and God ⁴³⁰ saw ⁷²⁰⁰ that it was good ²⁸⁹⁶.

¹⁹ And the evening ⁶¹⁵³ and the morning ¹²⁴² were the fourth ⁷²⁴³ day ³¹¹⁷.

Strong's Concordance 6153

ereb: evening

Original Word: עֶרֶב
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: ereb
Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-reb)
Definition: evening

 

 

Strong's Concordance 1242

boqer: morn- ing

Original Word: בֹּקֶר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: boqer
Phonetic Spelling: (bo'-ker)
Definition: morn- ing

[B-B]

Strong's Concordance 3117

yom: day

Original Word: יוֹם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: yom
Phonetic Spelling: (yome)
Definition: day

It appears that the same words are used to describe evening, morning and day, for creation days 1-4.

 

Edited December 18, 2021 by B-B