Keiw1 Posted July 31, 2022 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2022 16 hours ago, Michael37 said: All of Hebrews 1 says the opposite of the false doctrine that Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael, namely that Christ is superior to the angels. It is no surprise that the return of Christ is attended by the shout of the archangel because at such times hosts of angels accompany Him. 2Th 1:7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted with us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, Quote from Believer's Bible Commentary: The voice of Michael, the archangel, is commonly understood as an assembling command for the OT saints, since he is so closely associated with Israel (Dan_12:1; Jud_1:9; Rev_12:4-7). Others think its purpose is to revive Israel nationally. And still others suggest the voice of an archangel summons the angels as a military escort to accompany the Lord and His saints through enemy territory back to heaven (cf. Luk_16:22). Yes it shows he is superior to them, only by the fact he inherited a name above theirs. It was God who made Jesus famous, Jesus always did his Fathers will only, Only taught what the Father taught him, and his God and Father was the one who did all the powerful works through Jesus-Acts 3:19, 1 Cor 8:5-6-- John 5:19-30) Even in Isaiah 9--His NAME would be called those things. It was Jehovah who made Jesus name above others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiw1 Posted July 31, 2022 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2022 16 hours ago, Michael37 said: All of Hebrews 1 says the opposite of the false doctrine that Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael, namely that Christ is superior to the angels. It is no surprise that the return of Christ is attended by the shout of the archangel because at such times hosts of angels accompany Him. 2Th 1:7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted with us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, Quote from Believer's Bible Commentary: The voice of Michael, the archangel, is commonly understood as an assembling command for the OT saints, since he is so closely associated with Israel (Dan_12:1; Jud_1:9; Rev_12:4-7). Others think its purpose is to revive Israel nationally. And still others suggest the voice of an archangel summons the angels as a military escort to accompany the Lord and His saints through enemy territory back to heaven (cf. Luk_16:22). Who do you think his partners are mentioned at Psalm 45:7? And the Israelites knew the Messiah has a God as well, so they knew it was not God who was sent, it was Michael sent by God, he sent his very best. His Master worker of Prov 8.--God does not have a God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted August 2, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted August 2, 2022 On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: You missed a lot--Israel is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39-They outright refuse to do verse 39 for over 1950 years-They never will. Spiritual Israel is Gods chosen now, not literal Israel. Rom 11:1, Rom 11:11-12, Rom 11:25, 28-29, Show that the promises of blessings on the children of Israel are still valid. The proof is that the children of Israel have been restored to Jerusalem, Lk 21:24. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: Rev 6 is the war in heaven Rev 12:7-9, Shows the war in heaven. Why do you think that Rev 6 takes place in heaven? On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: -Michael is pictured on the white horse( righteous war), that began the ride of the white horse, How do you know that the rider of the white horse is Micheal? It doesn't say that. Many would say that the rider is the Antichrist. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: it doesnt stop until Jesus who is pictured on the white horse at Armageddon, The rider in Rev 6 has a bow. Jesus has a sword. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: and after satan is destroyed in the lake of fire, ends the ride. Show me. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: Thus Michael is Jesus--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days( Daniel 12:1)-- I would say that it appears that Michael is Jesus. But there is no verse that says it directly. Jesus may have appeared as Michael, because Jesus was not revealed as the Son of God at that point in time. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: Satan and his angels were cast to earth=1914--ww1 began, Satan was cast to earth on the day of Pentecost when the kingdom began and salvation came, Rev 12:10. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: mens hearts filled with hatred because satan came angry knowing his time was short. Rome attacked the children of Israel, 33 AD onward, is the time period shown. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: After ww1 millions upon millions died all over the earth from things mentioned of the other 3 riders. Not the planet earth, the known "earth" of the children of Israel at the 33 AD time period onward, is what is indicated. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: This satan ruled system will end When Jesus sits on His throne in Rev 20:12. Not during the millennium period. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: -- Gods kingdom in full control after that= the new earth-Psalm 37:29--The righteous themselves will possess the earth and reside forever upon it. They will live on the new earth forever, not the old planet earth which "flies away" from the throne Rev 20:11. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: Jesus teaches( Matt 5:5)-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth= It says the "earth", not the new earth. It takes more than being meek to enter heaven. How do you go from "earth" to "new earth" in that verse? On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: The great crowd--They do not leave the earth-Proverbs 2:21-22, Matthew 24:22 This planet will not remain, Gen 8:22. You seem to be mixing up the old earth with the new earth, which are two completely different entities. On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: --Only the little flock( Luke 12:32) are promised heaven=144,000 Rev 14:3- To rule by Jesus side on thrones as kings and priests( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6) Rom 11:26, "all Israel shall be saved". On 7/30/2022 at 5:32 PM, Keiw1 said: This is the bride of Christ. The bride of Christ is all Israel after the Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiw1 Posted August 2, 2022 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2022 5 hours ago, abcdef said: Rom 11:1, Rom 11:11-12, Rom 11:25, 28-29, Show that the promises of blessings on the children of Israel are still valid. The proof is that the children of Israel have been restored to Jerusalem, Lk 21:24. Rev 12:7-9, Shows the war in heaven. Why do you think that Rev 6 takes place in heaven? How do you know that the rider of the white horse is Micheal? It doesn't say that. Many would say that the rider is the Antichrist. The rider in Rev 6 has a bow. Jesus has a sword. Show me. I would say that it appears that Michael is Jesus. But there is no verse that says it directly. Jesus may have appeared as Michael, because Jesus was not revealed as the Son of God at that point in time. Satan was cast to earth on the day of Pentecost when the kingdom began and salvation came, Rev 12:10. Rome attacked the children of Israel, 33 AD onward, is the time period shown. Not the planet earth, the known "earth" of the children of Israel at the 33 AD time period onward, is what is indicated. When Jesus sits on His throne in Rev 20:12. Not during the millennium period. They will live on the new earth forever, not the old planet earth which "flies away" from the throne Rev 20:11. It says the "earth", not the new earth. It takes more than being meek to enter heaven. How do you go from "earth" to "new earth" in that verse? This planet will not remain, Gen 8:22. You seem to be mixing up the old earth with the new earth, which are two completely different entities. Rom 11:26, "all Israel shall be saved". The bride of Christ is all Israel after the Spirit. Your religion doesnt have truth if you believe what you wrote-Rev 20:6 proves you wrong about Rev 20:12 Many things are symbolic in revelation- In the OT it clearly says-This earth will NEVER be made to totter. Prov 2:21-22 assures the great crowd remains on earth. The little flock is the Bride of Christ. Your teachers never explained why to you about the little flock( Luke 12:32) and the great crowd of other sheep which no man can number. The little flock is numbered=144,000-only these are promised heaven. The great crowd is not promised heaven in a single passage in the bible. It just says--they will stand before the throne==on earth they will stand before it because it will be the only ruling govt left then-Dan 2:44-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted August 3, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: Your religion doesnt have truth if you believe what you wrote-Rev 20:6 proves you wrong about Rev 20:12 How does Rev 20:6 and Rev 20:12 prove me wrong? 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: Many things are symbolic in revelation True 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: - In the OT it clearly says-This earth will NEVER be made to totter. Gen 8:22 says that there is a time when the earth will not remain. Can you explain Gen 8:22? 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: Prov 2:21-22 assures the great crowd remains on earth. No, it doesn't. Where does Prov 2:21-22, mention a "great crowd"? That is an association assumption without verification. 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: The little flock is the Bride of Christ. Who told you that? 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: Your teachers never explained why to you about the little flock( Luke 12:32) Again you are making an association that does not exist. Lk 12:32, Jesus is speaking to the children of Israel, not gentiles. The kingdom began on Pentecost in 33 AD. 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: and the great crowd of other sheep which no man can number. Who exactly is the the multitude which no man can count? Where did they come from? 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: The little flock is numbered=144,000-only these are promised heaven. What is heaven? 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: The great crowd is not promised heaven in a single passage in the bible. It just says--they will stand before the throne Since the throne of God is in heaven, and they are before the throne, then they must be in heaven. (Heaven is wherever Jesus/God is.) 3 hours ago, Keiw1 said: ==on earth they will stand before it because it will be the only ruling govt left then-Dan 2:44-- The kingdom is forever, but not on this planet, which will not remain, Gen 8:22. This heaven and earth "fly away" from the throne of Jesus in Rev 20:11, and no place is found for them. They do not remain. ---- When is the first resurrection? 1 Cor 15:23-24. Who is raised in the first resurrection? ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiw1 Posted August 3, 2022 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2022 19 hours ago, abcdef said: How does Rev 20:6 and Rev 20:12 prove me wrong? True Gen 8:22 says that there is a time when the earth will not remain. Can you explain Gen 8:22? No, it doesn't. Where does Prov 2:21-22, mention a "great crowd"? That is an association assumption without verification. Who told you that? Again you are making an association that does not exist. Lk 12:32, Jesus is speaking to the children of Israel, not gentiles. The kingdom began on Pentecost in 33 AD. Who exactly is the the multitude which no man can count? Where did they come from? What is heaven? Since the throne of God is in heaven, and they are before the throne, then they must be in heaven. (Heaven is wherever Jesus/God is.) The kingdom is forever, but not on this planet, which will not remain, Gen 8:22. This heaven and earth "fly away" from the throne of Jesus in Rev 20:11, and no place is found for them. They do not remain. ---- When is the first resurrection? 1 Cor 15:23-24. Who is raised in the first resurrection? ---- Gen 8:22--For all the days the earth continues seed sowing and harvest and cold and heat and summer and winter and day and night will never cease. Symbolism about heaven and earth. Meaning this system of things. The bible is clear at Proverbs 2:21-22 assures some remain on this earth. Psalm 37:29--The righteous themselves will possess the earth and reside forever upon it. The new earth = transformed into a Eden(paradise) during Jesus 1000 year reign, then after satan is loosed for a little while then destroyed- Gods kingdom rule in full control forever, no more satan influences. The first resurrection is for the little flock( Luke 12:32) these are the 144,000 to rule on thrones alongside Jesus in heaven as kings and priests( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-This is his bride. The throne represents Gods kingdom rule. Once the great crowd is brought through on earth( Prov 2:21-22, Matt 24:22) then Gods kingdom will be the only ruling power in existence( Daniel 2:44) so no matter where one stands it will be before that throne. And they get the promise from Jesus-Matt 5:5, and the psalmist-Psalm 37:9-11, 29) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted August 4, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 8/3/2022 at 2:42 PM, Keiw1 said: Gen 8:22--For all the days the earth continues seed sowing and harvest and cold and heat and summer and winter and day and night will never cease. --- Rev 22:5, "And there shall be no night there;", so night does cease. Night will cease when this planet earth flies away from the throne and no place is found for them, Rev 20:11. ---- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted August 4, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 8/3/2022 at 2:42 PM, Keiw1 said: The new earth = transformed into a Eden(paradise) during Jesus 1000 year reign, Please show me the scripture that says that this planet is turned into paradise in the millennium period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted August 4, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 8/3/2022 at 2:42 PM, Keiw1 said: The first resurrection is for the little flock( Luke 12:32) these are the 144,000 to rule on thrones alongside Jesus in heaven as kings and priests( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-This is his bride. When, is the first resurrection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted August 4, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 6:48 PM, Keiw1 said: Jesus didnt receive his crown until-Revelation 6- When does Jesus receive His crown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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