abcdef

Dan 9:25, The call went out to "restore" Jerusalem, what does that mean? Is it meant to say that the call went out from a gentile king to restore the complete religious system of Israel along with the city? Or is it meant to restore the city alone without necessarily meaning their religion? --- In one sense, according to the Dan 2 statue, Jerusalem cannot be fully restored until the gentiles are no longer ruling the city. That is when the toes end (1967). The statue begins when Jerusalem falls to Babylon. The statue ends when Israel rules the city again (1967). The entire times of the gentiles (ToGs) is from Gold Babylon until the end of the iron and clay, the whole length of the statue. The ToGs that Jesus talked about in Lk 21:20-24, 24, was 70 AD until 1967. It was the 2nd part of the statue, the ToGs. This second part of the statue, from 70 AD- 1967, is the subject in the Revelation. Interesting. I am now thinking about how Jesus is the Ark of the Testament. I did see the imagery in Rev 11:19 where Jesus is revealed. But now I am thinking of Him being the embodiment of the Ark in His everyday life. Teaching the people, doing miracles, and showing mercy as the living Ark of the covenant. Quite a concept, thank you for sharing those thoughts. The covenant that Jesus confirmed for 7 years, Gal 3:17, was not ended until 37 AD when most of Israel rejected the new Pentecost gift of the Holy Spirit covenant. It was not ended when Jesus was killed. His death was from before the world began and a necessity for the new covenant to begin. It was not because they killed Jesus that the covenant was ended, it was because they rejected the new Pentecost covenant. That is the reason that Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. If they would have accepted the new Pentecost kingdom, then they would have been forgiven and protected from the gentiles. The AoD was Titus in 70 AD, in the temple. Titus, son of Caesar/Perdition. Mk 13:14. John 19:34-37, this scripture was fulfilled at the death of Jesus. It is past and not future. The thought that Israel will have some kind of future miracle eye opening is not scriptural. The sign to Israel was the resurrection, Matt 16:4. The sign to present Israel is the restoration of Jerusalem, 1967, Matt 24:30-31, the 5th trumpet. ---- Rom 11:26, " .... all Israel shall be saved, ...", Who will be saved? Who is "all Israel"? Rom 9:6, "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." It means that not everybody who is a flesh descendant of Israel is of the Spirit of Israel. That is, just because you are descended from the flesh of Jacob it doesn't mean that you have the spirit of Jacob, that leads to salvation through obeying the gospel call to a covenant with God. The gentiles are adopted into the family of Israel. So when it says that, "all Israel will be saved", it means that all those who are Israel after the Spirit and who have obeyed the gospel will be saved, Jew and gentile, but not those descendants of Israel after the flesh who are unbelievers. These present children of Israel have continued to reject the gospel Pentecost kingdom. Not everyone has, but apparently not enough to keep the covenant protection over them. The 3 1/2 times is not years. The 3 1/2 times of the Revelation is 70 AD- 1967. This is the second part of the Dan 2 statue that Jesus said would complete the ToGs, Lk 21:24. Israel has already completed the time in sack cloth mourning for Jerusalem. The Law and prophets are being taught which witness/testify about Jesus. The time of the gentile trampling is ended and is not future. Since Jerusalem is restored, 1967, it is impossible for the statue to exist any longer. The Roman iron does not control the people in Israel or Jerusalem any longer. ---- Dan 2:33-34, The feet were iron and clay already before the stone strikes them. " .... which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, ..."

Right now it doesn't look like Israel will last 3 1/2 years. It looks like the fall of Jerusalem will be much sooner than that, but I could be wrong. I don't know how long that they can hold out against the 200 million horsemen army from across the Euphrates and the forces of Magog. --- There is some hope that the American government will finally pass a support bill, that would be good. --- In the US and the world, there are people who hate the children of Israel. They preach against them saying that Israel is no longer the people of God. Rome claims to have replaced them and that they are the Pentecost kingdom Israel exclusively. These are gaining power. It won't take much longer. ----- The US is not spoken of in prophecy. Rome is the beast nation and it can only be Rome. The 2 witnesses are the faithful children of Israel restored to Jerusalem in 1967.

The 70 weeks were ended in 37 AD when most of Israel rejected the new covenant that was confirmed by Jesus, Gal 3:17. --- It is important to remember that there are 2 Israels. One is believing Israel in the kingdom and the other is unbelieving Israel. Some seem to think that all of Israel was cut off, but there were thousands of the children of Israel who entered the kingdom, 3000 of Pentecost alone. Then faithful Israel (Woman Rev 12) fled from the Romans into the gentile nations after 70 AD. So there were thousands and thousands of Israel who remained faithful. --- The (P)prince who brings the armies is Jesus coming as God and destroying Jerusalem and the temple. The people of the (P)prince are Roman armies brought by God. In history this is not new for Israel. It has happened many times before that God has brought gentile armies to bring His children to repentance, Ezek 38:4 for example. --- This is not hard. Either the 70 weeks ended exactly when they were supposed to or they didn't. If they did end, then the prophecies are true. If they didn't end, but kept going, then the 70 weeks turns into more than 70 weeks, making the prophecy longer than 70 weeks, with the result of making the prophecy a false prophecy. There can be no "gap", that is a theory with no real support in the context. ----- The Dan 9, 70 weeks has nothing to do with the 3 1/2 or 7 times in the Revelation. The numbers are similar, but are used for different time periods. The 70 weeks prophecy takes place around the time of Jesus, the Prince. The prophecy ended in 37 AD when most in Israel rejected the new Pentecost covenant. As a result of that rejection, Jerusalem fell and was made desolate in 70 AD completing the final part of the prophecy. The 3 1/2 times of the Revelation is about the times of the gentiles and the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel, 70 AD-1967.

It doesn't say that they are different time periods or events. One is ancient and one is 2400 years later? There is nothing in the text to indicate that. Then no real historian can prove that they were not fulfilled either. It is certainly possible that it did happen but was not recorded or the records were lost. You seem to be saying that just because there are no specific records, then it never happened or never could have happened, which you can't prove absolutely either way. Ezek 29:2-3, say that this prophecy is about Pharaoh the king of Egypt. There is no king or Pharaoh in Egypt anymore. --- Ezek 29:8, says that God will bring a sword against Egypt, but they don't use swords anymore.

The story of the 2 witnesses shows the resur/rapt happening 3 1/2 days after restored Jerusalem falls. Jerusalem was restored in 1967 when the times of the gentiles (ToGs) ended, Lk 21:20-24, 24. What the Rev is showing is the restoration of Jerusalem after the ToGs end, and what happens after that, which is where we are. Sadly the prophecies seem to show that Jerusalem falls to Iran, just before Jesus comes for the kingdom. This revelation of these anchors in the timelines puts us moments before Jerusalem falls, Jesus comes and this world/earth ends. The next event to confirm the prophecy is the last battle for Israel, the battle of Armageddon, which Israel will lose and Jerusalem will fall. The seals and trumpets are one continual timeline. The 2 witnesses parallel the seals/trumpets. We know this because the beast from the 5th trumpet abyss kills the 2 witness. The seals/trumpets describe the unbelieving flesh children of Israel and the 2 witnesses describe the believing flesh children of Israel during the same time period, 37 AD- the present-Jesus comes. 37 AD is when unbelieving flesh Israel was cut off from the blessings and protection of a covenant relationship with God. The attacks on the unbelieving are from Rome from 37 AD onward. These are the Israel that were killed or taken as slaves by Rome when they didn't flee in 70 AD ish. The 2 witness begin when the temple and the people in the temple are measured in 37 AD and then trampled by the gentiles, 70 AD- 1967. These are the Israel that did flee into the gentile nations in 70 AD ish and return in 1967. They are the same timeline, but 2 different groups of flesh Israel. The 6th seal is the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem when Jesus came as God and used Rome to destroy Jerusalem. The 7 seals are shown to be opened by Jesus in front of John in 96 AD ish. What the scroll says is the story of the 2 witnesses. What the scroll said was known from 96 AD onward, so the scroll has been open since then. (We are living after the 6th trumpet.) The 1/2 hour of silence is 70 AD until 96 AD ish when the Revelation was given. That is the time when there was no words from heaven to the people of Israel. Jesus told His disciples that Jerusalem and the temple would be destroyed. After that would come the times of the gentiles (ToGs) when Jerusalem would be trampled by gentile control. But Jesus didn't exactly say how long that the ToGs would last, Lk 21:24, 24, and what would happen after that. The Revelation is the answer. The answer is until after the 5th trumpet, Matt 24:31. The sign of His coming, for the resur/rapt is the restoration of Jerusalem. (The destruction of 70 AD Jerusalem, Matt 24:1-28, had different signs.) So Jesus gave the Revelation for the details surrounding Jerusalem in the Revelation after the 1/2 hour of silence in heaven. Jesus came to Israel in 30 AD at the beginning of the 70th week, 7 years to go to fulfill the prophecy. He was cut off in 33 1/2 AD, 3 1/2 years. Then the new covenant was established, 33 1/2 AD. 3 1/2 years to go. Israel breaks the covenant and is cut off, then the gentiles enter the kingdom, 37 AD. That ends the 70 week period from Dan 9. The Prince who confirmed the covenant was Jesus, Gal 3:17. The covenant of Israel and God was confirmed by Jesus for 7 years until Israel rejected it. Jesus brought Roman armies and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. So the 70 weeks of Dan 9 is finished in 37 AD. ----- The 3 1/2 times in the Rev is symbolic and not literal. It represents the time from 70 AD until 1967, which is the end of the tribulation of Israel and the end of the ToGs. ------ Try this, look at Dan 2 & 7, and see if you can fit your theories into those basic prophecies. See that the iron of Dan 2 and 4th beast of Dan 7 are Rome. --- Another avenue would be that there are only 2 resurrections, 1 Cor 15:23-28. See if you can make your ideas fit into 2 resurrections, first Jesus and the OT saints, then those who are His at His coming for the kingdom (at the 7th trumpet). The symbols are not the subject, what the symbols represent, is the subject. The Revelation is all about the flesh children of Israel, the restoration of Jerusalem, the beast nation Rome, and Jesus coming for the kingdom.

Look at the Middle east. Iran is attacking Jerusalem, they are not quite there yet, but they will take Jerusalem. Whenever that happens, 3 1/2 days later is the resur/rapt (the 2nd resurrection) when Jesus comes for the kingdom and this material world ends. -- The timelines in the Rev are parallel. They are centered on the flesh children of Israel both believing and unbelieving, and the beast nation. (The gentile side of the kingdom/church is hardly mentioned, but is mentioned in Rev 12:17 as the remnant of her seed.) The 7th trumpet shows the same event as the 7th vial/bowl, and they both show the same events as Rev 20, basically. What happens just before those events is shown in the 6th trumpet, the 6th vial, and when Magog surrounds Jerusalem in Rev 20. They all show the same thing. Armies from Iran, the kings of the east across the Euphrates River from Jerusalem, crossing the River, with the armies of the earth Magog, surrounding Jerusalem, and Jerusalem falls. They all show the same thing, and we are here, watching it happen, just before the 7th trumpet,the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven. ----- You say 4 years? Could be, I don't know. Maybe more, but maybe less, maybe a lot less, maybe only months, could be 9 or 10 months possibly, maybe a few years, but I don't think it will be long, because the call is made that the Bridegroom is coming for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet. ----- Will the American government send aid? Who is stopping the Aid? It could be too late already. What if they NEVER send aid and the powers against Israel grow? Israel is half the size of the Netherlands, half the size of Belgium, how long do you think that they can stand against Russia, Iran, and the powers of the Middle East? Look, I'm not saying that things can't change and get better, I hope that happens. I know the prophecies must come true. God/ Jesus gave us these things to know when He is coming. ----- The beast is Rome and can ONLY be Rome.

Hey people! WAKE UP! We are in the time of the 7th trumpet when Jesus comes. The WAR of Armageddon has been officially started with Iran attacking Israel! The Battle of Armageddon is just the last battle where Israel loses and Jerusalem falls. The Bridegroom is coming for the kingdom! ------- What most people say is something to the effect of, "Jesus can't come yet because this hasn't happened of that hasn't happened." But guess what, Almost everything in Revelation has already happened except the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial/bowl, and the fire from heaven. In the story of the 2 witnesses, we are just before the 2 witnesses are killed, they are the children of Israel who hold the scriptures, the 2 olive branches. Iran and Magog are attacking right now. -------- The American government has still not passed the support for Israel. This may be the major factor in the defeat of Israel and the fall of Jerusalem. How long can they hold out against Iran and it's allies? Shame, shame, shame, on those people who said that they support Israel, but now oppose funding! ------- The great tribulation was from 70 AD until 1967 and is not future. The time of the woman in the wilderness in Rev 12 is not 3 1/2 years, it is 70 AD until 1967, 1900 years! ish! That means that the 3 1/2 times is symbolic and not literal. ----- Pay attention and understand what I am saying. Jerusalem is going to fall, 3 1/2 days later Jesus will come at the 7th trumpet. You don't believe it now, But you will when Jerusalem falls! You don't believe it now, But you will when the beloved children of God who Jesus loves, are lying in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days! You don't believe it now, But you will when the gentile nations celebrate and send gifts to each other! All the things described, that take place before these events, have already happened and can be explained. But you will have to abandon the pre trib 7 year timeline, for a better one. The pretrib timeline is designed to hide Rome, the 4th beast of Dan 7, and the iron of Dan 2, who is the beast and Antichrist from 63 BC until this day, and perdition. --------

Yes, they are years apart, but still about the same events, Babylon and Egypt.

The Ezek 38-39 war was fought with arrows and spears etc., long ago. The Magog war of Rev 20 is happening right now and will end in disaster. -- The American government still, has not funded Israel. Time is running out. If they wait too long it may cause a interruption in the flow of weapons and the gap would not be recoverable for Israel. Jerusalem will fall to Iran, it's just a matter of time now to fulfill the 2 witnesses. The 2 witnesses are faithful Israel who return to restored Jerusalem, the Christians in Jerusalem at the present. The times of the gentiles trampling Jerusalem that Jesus spoke about was 70 AD-1967. It is not future to us. ---- The War of Armageddon is happening right now. The Battle of Armageddon is just the last battle where Israel loses and Jerusalem falls. These events are followed by the 7th trumpet rapt/resur and the revealing of Jesus. ---- Think about this, The woman in Rev 12 is Israel. The dragon waits for the birth of Jesus. -1-AD ish. Jesus is caught up to heaven, 33 AD. The woman flees from the dragon into the wilderness, 70 AD. The woman is in the wilderness for 3 1/2 times, 1260 days, then she returns from the wilderness to her home, Jerusalem, 1967. BUT it is not 1260 days or years that she is in the wilderness, but 1900 years as history shows. This means that the 3 1/2 times and the 1260 days are not literal, but are symbolic of the 1900 year time period until Jerusalem is restored. What this means is that this time period of the woman in the wilderness is past and not future from us. --- Using this understanding, the important events that take place after the woman returns, are the things that we are seeing now. What happens after the woman returns to Jerusalem is not shown in Rev 12. It is shown in Rev 20, where Magog surrounds Jerusalem, then the fire from heaven and the last judgment. --- Rev 20, is parallel to 1 Cor 15:23-28. There is only 2 resurrections, Jesus and the OT saints, then the resurrection when Jesus comes for the kingdom. Behold the Bridegroom Cometh, 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies, then the 7th trumpet and this material planet and universe will fly away from the face of Jesus on His throne. --- I know that this is a little long, sorry, but time is running out.

This should read, 2nd timeline, the 2 witnesses, the same as the trumpets, 37 AD through the 7th trumpet.

Can you fit the 2 witnesses into the Dan 2 timeline? Where and how would the 2 witnesses be placed inthe Dan 2 timeline?

I agree. God is much too great for us who are in the flesh to understand. Even in the spirit after our death, we will spend eternity in awe of God, constantly amazed. There are more than 4 kingdoms shown. If you say that the clay is Israel in the feet and toes, where is the clay for the other kingdoms? The people of Israel existed during the first 3 kingdoms, if they are the clay, then where is the clay in the first three kingdoms? Why isn't the clay shown as being in the first 3? They existed at the same time. Babylon and Israel. Gold but no clay? The best that the clay shows is that the clay is non Roman gentile nations that rule over the children of Israel with Rome, while the Roman Empire falls apart and enters into the image beast toes era of the Vatican. The ten toes are 10 kings Dan 7:24. Those 10 kings (The 10 is symbolic of complete division) are seen as remnants of the 1st Roman Empire beast. Their loyalty is to the image beast Vatican after the fall of the Roman Empire, so in a sense, they are still tied to the power of the beast Vatican. But that does not mean that they are ethnic Romans, that is, descended from the Roman people themselves, genetically tied to actual people who lived in the city of Rome in that period. History shows that Rome did divide into different kingdoms on an ethnic basis, with some loyalty to Rome as a religious leader. So looking back now, we count the kingdoms on an ethnic basis, such as France, Italy, Spain, Greece, etc., but in the statue, we only see 10. If those nations are counted now, we see that there are far more than 10 and that has changed over the centuries. So the statue, looking back from the present, is showing more than 4 kingdoms, when you count the toes as individual kingdoms of ethnic diversity. Then add the clay which could be showing the same type of division. Is the clay on each toe a different gentile nation? Are there 2 or more different types of clay? Are they one nation or many different nations? Pagan Rome was in existence long before 63 BC. That is the date that Rome invaded and began their beast reign over the children of Israel, ending the rule of Greece. The gift of the Holy Spirit kingdom of Israel began in 33 AD on Pentecost Acts 2:38. Is the day of Pentecost shown as the stone striking the feet? Or is the day of Pentecost before the first division in the legs, in order to cause the first division? - The Roman Empire divided into east and west in the third century. So if the kingdom caused the first break or division, then that would put the day of Pentecost about 1 inch ish from the beginning of the iron. Then the stone striking shows Jesus coming for the kingdom at the 2nd resurrection/rapture (resur/rapt), which is followed by the last judgment and the new earth (Rev 20:11). - Dan 2:35, "Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold broken to pieces together, ...". If this happens after the stone strikes, when does it happen after the stone strikes? What causes the statue to fall and completely break in pieces? I mean, if the stone striking the feet doesn't cause the statue to fall at that time and the timeline continues into the toes, then when does the statue fall completely into pieces? What causes the statue to fall, if the stone doesn't cause it? Where is that event shown in the Dan 2 timeline, if the stone doesn't break the statue into chaff when it strikes? Jerusalem and Israel were not restored at the time of Jesus. The statue of Dan 2 shows that the times of the Roman gentiles domination over the children of Israel was continuing at that time. So Israel and Jerusalem could not be restored during the time of the Dan 2 statue times of the gentiles. Jerusalem and Israel could not be restored until the times of the gentile trampling of Jerusalem was fulfilled, Lk 21:24. The statue begins when Jerusalem falls, the toes end when Jerusalem is restored to Israel. The toes ended in 1967 when Jerusalem was controlled by Israel.

Friends, the American government has still not passed aid for Israel and Ukraine. If America does not send aid Israel and Jerusalem will fall. The support for Israel is failing. The enemies of Israel are gaining power. I truly believe that this is it, Jesus will come for the kingdom 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls as it shows in the 2 witnesses who are the people of Israel. The end of the War of Armageddon is coming. The battle of Armageddon is coming where Israel loses and Jerusalem falls. Look at the middle east! Look at what is happening right in front of us, right now! Behold, the Bridegroom cometh!

Yes it is dated, but much of his data is confirmed by archaeology. I wasn't there, so I must rely on others opinions. There are passages where the people of regions are described as waters, proven allegories, proven that they are not literal, Isa 8:7, 17:3, for example. Ezek 29:1-5, Ezek 29:19 shows that the entire passage is about Nebuchadrezzar in Babylon. The resurrection- rapture (resur/rapt). There are only 2 resurrections, Jesus and then those at His coming (resur/rapt), 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24. Then comes the end. After Jesus comes for the kingdom at the resur/rapt, the last judgment happens and then eternity. Rev 11:15-19, 18. A theory that contends for a time of human habitation on this planet after the resur/rapt cannot be maintained. 1 Cor 15:23-28, shows that after the resur/rapt it is the end, when death is defeated. The scene of death being defeated puts the sequence of events parallel to Rev 20:11-15, 14. In Rev 20, the 2nd resurrection happens after Jerusalem is surrounded by gentile enemies. After the surrounding comes the fire from heaven. Then the last judgment. At the last judgment heaven and earth fly away, so after the fire from heaven, heaven and this material planet earth fly away, and are no longer mentioned. Since there are only 2 resurrections, and the second resurrection which is the resus/rapt is followed by the fire from heaven and then heaven and earth flying away, there will be no human souls left on planet earth to be saved or not saved. Because after the fire, every soul will be accounted for, saved or unsaved, to be at the last judgment. ----- The 6th seal shows Jesus coming at the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem. It was Jesus coming as God, but it wasn't a resurrection coming. There is no resurrection shown at the 6th seal. Jesus is only coming for the kingdom, for those who are His at the resur/rapt, and then the fire from heaven and the last judgment. No one can see the face of God and live. It is impossible for Jesus to return, in His glory, and for men to see His face as God and live. And will the perfect God glorified allow material men of sin into His glory presence to defile Him? Will there be faith? We are saved by faith, but why would there be faith if Jesus is in Jerusalem? How will sinful people be saved by faith, if there if faith no longer? That is, once you have seen the face of God and return to sin, there is no return to God, no repentance. Even though there are some parallels in the languages used and the events shown, it seems like a hard thing to tie them all together into a future event of 40 years. The vials/bowls of Rev 15 & 16 surround the 4th beast nation of Dan 7 and the iron of the Dan 2 statue, which is Rome and it's people. Rev 16:2, 6, 10, 13. The plagues are because of the persecution of the children of Israel Rev 16:6. The persecution of Rome over Israel began in 63 BC and ended in 1967. The plagues are the wrath of God on the beast nation and it's people. The last bowl/vial is the end of planet earth at the fire from heaven. ---- 1st timeline, seals/trumpets, the wrath of God on unbelieving Israel, 37 AD- resur/rapt/7th trumpet. 2nd timeline, same as the trumpets, 37 AD through 7th trumpet. (The seals and trumpets share the timeline in parallel united by the beast that rises from the abyss and then kills the 2 witnesses.) 3rd time line, Rev 12, The faithful woman Israel flees after Jesus is caught up to heaven. 63 BC Rome invades, until Jerusalem is restored when the woman returns. Rev 16 timeline, 70 AD until the earthquake. The earthquake is the fire from heaven. After the earthquake, men can enter the temple of God and His Ark of the Testament, Rev 11:19. This means that the resur/rapt has happened, Jesus has come for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet, and the last judgment will be taking place. That is, the great earthquake of the 7th vial is the fire from heaven after the 2nd resurrection. If the 7th vial is showing the fire from heaven, then all of the other vials must take place before the 7th. It means that the vials take place before the resur/rapt and not after the coming for the kingdom.

The scripture for the fulfillment of the times of the gentiles is made clear in Lk 21:24. It is specific to events surrounding the city of Jerusalem itself. When gentile control over Jerusalem has ended, then the times of the gentiles is over. The process began in 1948 and was completed in 1967 ish when forces of the Israel military took control of the city. History proves that the times of the gentiles (ToGs) lasted from after 70 AD until 1967, about 1900 years The idea that the ToGs lasts only 3 1/2 years is proven false. That teaching is a distortion of the time line by literalists. The numbers are proven symbolic by history. In 1929 the 5th trumpet was blown. The locusts are false teachers ( Rev 9:5 - Isa 9:15) who attack the flesh children of Israel to drive them back to restore Jerusalem. The abyss being opened and the beast nation returning is Rome being restored to sit on the seat of the beast, the city of Rome. This was the treaty of Lateran where the Vatican was established in the exact same spot that it occupied 2000 years ago, the seat of the beast. Now the 6th trumpet has blown releasing the forces across the Euphrates to attack restored Jerusalem. These are also false teachers Rev 9:19 - Isa 9:15. The false teaching is that Israel is not God's people. Just as Cain killed Abel, these souls are out to prove that the God of Israel is not God and to make their God greater. That is, if they eliminate God's people, then God will have to accept them as His people. Cain killed Abel. See how the world has turned against Israel. We are past the point of the return to restore Jerusalem and Israel, that has already happened. What happens after Jerusalem and Israel are restored? The kings of the east from across the Euphrates attack and conquer Jerusalem Rev 9& 16. I agree. We believe the prophecies to be true. If they are true, then they will come to pass. If they come to pass, then God has meant them to be recognized sometime during or after the events, as He showed them to us as a teaching and for our edification. The central theme of the prophecies is the return of Jesus. So it seems that we should be able to recognize the fulfillment of those prophecies concerning His return. The restoration of Jerusalem is one anchor in the timeline, now past by 55 years. The idea is to place that event in it's proper place in the prophetic timeline. The events of the 5th trumpet and the 6th trumpet show that Jerusalem is restored between the 5th trumpet and the 6th trumpet. So that would mean that the 5th trumpet was blown in 1929 and the 6th trumpet was blown in 9-11-01. The event of 9/11 led to the destruction of Iraq and now allows the kings of the east from across the Euphrates to attack restored Jerusalem. As you say, sometimes events seem to fit the timeline, but end up failing. But I think that this time, with Jerusalem restored, that it looks like this is really the time before Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet. The truth is guaranteed to come out after the 6th trumpet sounds and as the 7th trumpet begins to sound Rev 10:7. The key to the prophecies is the restoration of Jerusalem. When looking at the Revelation, identifying the restoration of Jerusalem fixes the date anchor in the timeline. The restoration of Jerusalem is shown to be between the 5th and 6th trumpet. The return of the 2 witnesses after the time of the trampling is ended Rev 11:2. The return of the woman in Rev 12 to Jerusalem after her time in the wilderness is ended. The end of the symbolic 42 months in Rev 13:5. The treading of the wine press ends when Israel returns to the city Rev 14:20. Between the 5th and 6th vial/bowl. At the 5th vial darkness is applied to the seat of the beast Rome, when the beast returns to sit on the seat of the beast, 1929. Now the kings of the east are crossing the Euphrates to attack Jerusalem. Rev 20, The forces of Magog surround restored Jerusalem. All of these show a restored Jerusalem, that happened in 1967. They also show what happens after Jerusalem is restored. What happens after Jerusalem is restored?