It's not the end of the world ... it's just the beginning of the Kingdom!

[Keiw1]

5 hours ago, abcdef said:

It is the end of human life on this planet, the end of this world.

The kingdom began on Pentecost in 33 AD after the first resurrection.

If you are looking for a kingdom with national borders on planet earth, well, that will not happen.

The millennial kingdom is describing the time of the new covenant which started on Pentecost. 

The kingdom on planet earth ends when Jesus comes and takes the kingdom at the second resurrection.

After that this planet is fire.

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Please consider that 1 Cor 15:23-28 is parallel to Rev 20 and 21.

5 events

First resurrection, Jesus.

Second resurrection, when Jesus comes for the kingdom.

Third event, death is destroyed, firmly linking the two passages together as parallel.

Fourth event, Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father. In Rev 21, the kingdom is seen coming down from the Father.

Fifth event, the Father is all in all.

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Abandon the pretrib timeline. It doesn't work.

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A good day to you, The new earth= Gods kingdom in full control, No more satan influences--All things made back to perfection during the 1000 year reign of Christ. Then Jesus delivers the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself-1Cor 15:24-28. And even the psalmist knew what Jesus taught to the great crowd of other sheep-Matt 5:5-Psalm 37:29-- They will live on Earth forever.

[abcdef]

On 7/25/2022 at 3:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

A good day to you, The new earth= Gods kingdom in full control, No more satan influences

The last of Satan's influence happens after he is cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20:10.

He is still active and deceiving people to sin during the millennium period.

He is only restricted in that he cannot return to heaven and cannot surround Jerusalem to attack and destroy Israel, that is, he cannot destroy Israel until after Jerusalem is restored to the children of Israel at the end of the times of the gentiles LK 21:20-24, 24. 

On 7/25/2022 at 3:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

--All things made back to perfection during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

The millennium period is showing the time of the new covenant, after the 1st resurrection which is Jesus, beginning on Pentecost,

Until Jesus comes for the finished kingdom at the second coming resur/rapt. Heb 9:28. Then this planet ends in fire.

Where there is flesh, as we know it now, there will always be sin 1 Jn 2:16-17.

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Just the fact that there is still rebellion against Israel shows that things are not in a state of perfection.

 

On 7/25/2022 at 3:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

Then Jesus delivers the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself-1Cor 15:24-28.

After the last judgment and death is destroyed, yes. Rev 20:14.

 

On 7/25/2022 at 3:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

And even the psalmist knew what Jesus taught to the great crowd of other sheep-Matt 5:5

It doesn't say that they inherit the new earth.

It takes more than meekness to enter into heaven.

Can you explain how you go from "inherit the earth" to "inherit the new earth"?

 

On 7/25/2022 at 3:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

-Psalm 37:29-- They will live on Earth forever.

This planet and universe fly away from the face of Jesus at the last judgment and no place is found for them Rev 20:11.

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[Keiw1]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

The last of Satan's influence happens after he is cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20:10.

He is still active and deceiving people to sin during the millennium period.

He is only restricted in that he cannot return to heaven and cannot surround Jerusalem to attack and destroy Israel, that is, he cannot destroy Israel until after Jerusalem is restored to the children of Israel at the end of the times of the gentiles LK 21:20-24, 24. 

The millennium period is showing the time of the new covenant, after the 1st resurrection which is Jesus, beginning on Pentecost,

Until Jesus comes for the finished kingdom at the second coming resur/rapt. Heb 9:28. Then this planet ends in fire.

Where there is flesh, as we know it now, there will always be sin 1 Jn 2:16-17.

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Just the fact that there is still rebellion against Israel shows that things are not in a state of perfection.

 

After the last judgment and death is destroyed, yes. Rev 20:14.

 

It doesn't say that they inherit the new earth.

It takes more than meekness to enter into heaven.

Can you explain how you go from "inherit the earth" to "inherit the new earth"?

 

This planet and universe fly away from the face of Jesus at the last judgment and no place is found for them Rev 20:11.

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The new earth is Gods kingdom in full control, no more satan influences. Earth transformed into an Eden(paradise) during the 1000 year reign of Christ. Much symbolism involved in revelation. There is a spot in the OT where it says--The Earth will NEVER be made to totter. And at Proverbs 2:21-22 assures the righteous( great crowd) remain on this earth, Matt 24:22 shows they are brought through the tribulation and Armageddon on earth. The great crowd are not promised heaven anywhere in the bible--It says they will stand before the throne. That will be on earth. Gods kingdom rule will be the only ruling power left at that point-Daniel 2:44--No matter where one stands in creation Gods kingdom rule will be the only ruling power. Only the little flock ( Luke 12:32)are promised heaven-This is the bride of Christ, to rule on thrones beside him during that 1000 year reign as kings and priests( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6) Rev 21:2--The bride of Christ is the new Jerusalem( holy city) its symbolic.

[abcdef]

4 hours ago, Keiw1 said:

The new earth is Gods kingdom in full control, no more satan influences. Earth transformed into an Eden(paradise) during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

Can you show a scripture that says that the millennial earth will be like the garden of Eden?

 

4 hours ago, Keiw1 said:

Much symbolism involved in revelation. There is a spot in the OT where it says--The Earth will NEVER be made to totter. And at Proverbs 2:21-22 assures the righteous( great crowd) remain on this earth, Matt 24:22 shows they are brought through the tribulation and Armageddon on earth. The great crowd are not promised heaven anywhere in the bible--It says they will stand before the throne. That will be on earth. Gods kingdom rule will be the only ruling power left at that point-Daniel 2:44--No matter where one stands in creation Gods kingdom rule will be the only ruling power. Only the little flock ( Luke 12:32)are promised heaven-This is the bride of Christ, to rule on thrones beside him during that 1000 year reign as kings and priests( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6) Rev 21:2--The bride of Christ is the new Jerusalem( holy city) its symbolic.

Didn't the kingdom on planet earth begin on the day of Pentecost? after the first resurrection which was Jesus in 33 AD?

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[Keiw1]

22 hours ago, abcdef said:

Can you show a scripture that says that the millennial earth will be like the garden of Eden?

 

Didn't the kingdom on planet earth begin on the day of Pentecost? after the first resurrection which was Jesus in 33 AD?

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Jesus didnt receive his crown until-Revelation 6--The ride of the white horse=righteous war. That occurred here in these last days. Notice in rev 6--Peace was taken from the earth= not a single war, a world war-ww1.

Does this satan ruled system look like Gods kingdom took control? Few adhere to Gods kingdom rule.

Paradise it is called--at Proverbs 2:21-22 assures the righteous remain on earth. Eden translates-paradise. 

[abcdef]

On 7/28/2022 at 6:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

Jesus didnt receive his crown until-Revelation 6

What year did Jesus receive His crown?

 

On 7/28/2022 at 6:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

--The ride of the white horse=righteous war.

The rider of the white horse has a bow, not a sword coming out of his mouth as Jesus does. What does the bow represent and what is its function?

 

On 7/28/2022 at 6:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

That occurred here in these last days. Notice in rev 6--Peace was taken from the earth= not a single war, a world war-ww1.

The Bible is centered around Jesus and Israel. When was the peace taken away from the children of Israel?

 

On 7/28/2022 at 6:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

Does this satan ruled system look like Gods kingdom took control?

Jesus controls His kingdom by the words of the Bible. The people of the world continue in sin until the planet ends in fire. 

 

On 7/28/2022 at 6:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

Few adhere to Gods kingdom rule.

True

 

On 7/28/2022 at 6:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

Paradise it is called--at Proverbs 2:21-22 assures the righteous remain on earth.

Do the righteous die? Yes.

Then the righteous do not remain on planet earth.

 

On 7/28/2022 at 6:48 PM, Keiw1 said:

Eden translates-paradise. 

Was there sin in the garden?

In the garden souls chose to sin.

That is the way of the flesh.

Even during the millennium period people will choose to sin. Just like when souls were in the garden.

Being in the garden will not free us from sin.

As long as there is flesh as we know it now, there will be sin.

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Gen 8:22 Says that the earth and the things of the planet earth will end.

[Keiw1]

10 hours ago, abcdef said:

What year did Jesus receive His crown?

 

The rider of the white horse has a bow, not a sword coming out of his mouth as Jesus does. What does the bow represent and what is its function?

 

The Bible is centered around Jesus and Israel. When was the peace taken away from the children of Israel?

 

Jesus controls His kingdom by the words of the Bible. The people of the world continue in sin until the planet ends in fire. 

 

True

 

Do the righteous die? Yes.

Then the righteous do not remain on planet earth.

 

Was there sin in the garden?

In the garden souls chose to sin.

That is the way of the flesh.

Even during the millennium period people will choose to sin. Just like when souls were in the garden.

Being in the garden will not free us from sin.

As long as there is flesh as we know it now, there will be sin.

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Gen 8:22 Says that the earth and the things of the planet earth will end.

 

You missed a lot--Israel is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39-They outright refuse to do verse 39 for over 1950 years-They never will. Spiritual Israel is Gods chosen now, not literal Israel.

Rev 6 is the war in heaven-Michael is pictured on the white horse( righteous war), that began the ride of the white horse, it doesnt stop until Jesus who is pictured on the white horse at Armageddon, and after satan is destroyed in the lake of fire, ends the ride. Thus Michael is Jesus--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days( Daniel 12:1)-- Satan and his angels were cast to earth=1914--ww1 began, mens hearts filled with hatred because satan came angry knowing his time was short. After ww1 millions upon millions died all over the earth from things mentioned of the other 3 riders. 

This satan ruled system will end-- Gods kingdom in full control after that= the new earth-Psalm 37:29--The righteous themselves will possess the earth and reside forever upon it. Jesus teaches( Matt 5:5)-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth= The great crowd--They do not leave the earth-Proverbs 2:21-22, Matthew 24:22--Only the little flock( Luke 12:32) are promised heaven=144,000 Rev 14:3- To rule by Jesus side on thrones as kings and priests( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6) This is the bride of Christ.

[Michael37]

46 minutes ago, Keiw1 said:

Thus Michael is Jesus

Not true.

There is a clear distinction between Jesus Christ and angels throughout Scripture, particularly in the first chapter of the Book of Hebrews.

Heb 1:13-14  But which of the angels has he told at any time, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet?”  (14)  Aren’t they all serving spirits, sent out to do service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

Quote from Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible

Heb 1:14 Are they not all - There is not one of them that is elevated to the high rank of the Redeemer. Even the most exalted angel is employed in the comparatively humble office of a ministering spirit appointed to aid the heirs of salvation. “Ministering spirits.” A “ministering” spirit is one that is employed to execute the will of God. The proper meaning of the word here - λειτουργικὰ  leitourgika - (whence our word “liturgy”) is, “pertaining to public service,” or “the service of the people” (λαός  laos}; and is applied particularly to those who were engaged in the public service of the temple. They were those who rendered aid to others; who were helpers, or servants. Such is the meaning as used here. They are employed to render “aid” or “assistance” to others - to wit, to Christians. “Sent forth.” Appointed by God for this. They are “sent;” are under his control; are in a subordinate capacity.

Attention @Keiw1

Heb 1:1-6  God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,  (2)  has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.  (3)  His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, who, when he had by himself purified us of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;  (4)  having become so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they have.  (5)  For to which of the angels did he say at any time, “You are my Son. Today I have become your father?”and again, “I will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?”  (6)  When he again brings in the firstborn into the world he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him.”
 

[Keiw1]

56 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Not true.

There is a clear distinction between Jesus Christ and angels throughout Scripture, particularly in the first chapter of the Book of Hebrews.

Heb 1:13-14  But which of the angels has he told at any time, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet?”  (14)  Aren’t they all serving spirits, sent out to do service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

Quote from Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible

Heb 1:14 Are they not all - There is not one of them that is elevated to the high rank of the Redeemer. Even the most exalted angel is employed in the comparatively humble office of a ministering spirit appointed to aid the heirs of salvation. “Ministering spirits.” A “ministering” spirit is one that is employed to execute the will of God. The proper meaning of the word here - λειτουργικὰ  leitourgika - (whence our word “liturgy”) is, “pertaining to public service,” or “the service of the people” (λαός  laos}; and is applied particularly to those who were engaged in the public service of the temple. They were those who rendered aid to others; who were helpers, or servants. Such is the meaning as used here. They are employed to render “aid” or “assistance” to others - to wit, to Christians. “Sent forth.” Appointed by God for this. They are “sent;” are under his control; are in a subordinate capacity.

Attention @Keiw1

Heb 1:1-6  God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,  (2)  has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.  (3)  His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, who, when he had by himself purified us of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;  (4)  having become so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they have.  (5)  For to which of the angels did he say at any time, “You are my Son. Today I have become your father?”and again, “I will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?”  (6)  When he again brings in the firstborn into the world he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him.”
 

 

 

I beg to differ. 1 Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return, he comes with the voice of the archangel--its his voice, Michael did not loan it to him. 

Psalm 45:7-- You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness, that is why God, your God anointed you with the oil of exulation more than your partners( angels)--

Hebrews 1:3-4-- He is the reflection( image) of his( God) glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power, and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the majesty( God) in lofty places. 4) So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

 

See without inheriting that name is equal to the angels-he is Michael--It is Michael who is standing up for Gods chosen in the last days-Daniel 12:1-- 

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Keiw1 said:

 

 

I beg to differ. 1 Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return, he comes with the voice of the archangel--its his voice, Michael did not loan it to him. 

Psalm 45:7-- You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness, that is why God, your God anointed you with the oil of exulation more than your partners( angels)--

Hebrews 1:3-4-- He is the reflection( image) of his( God) glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power, and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the majesty( God) in lofty places. 4) So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

See without inheriting that name is equal to the angels-he is Michael--It is Michael who is standing up for Gods chosen in the last days-Daniel 12:1-- 

All of Hebrews 1 says the opposite of the false doctrine that Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael, namely that Christ is superior to the angels. 

It is no surprise that the return of Christ is attended by the shout of the archangel because at such times hosts of angels accompany Him.

2Th 1:7  and to give relief to you who are afflicted with us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire,

Quote from Believer's Bible Commentary:
The voice of Michael, the archangel, is commonly understood as an assembling command for the OT saints, since he is so closely associated with Israel (Dan_12:1; Jud_1:9; Rev_12:4-7). Others think its purpose is to revive Israel nationally. And still others suggest the voice of an archangel summons the angels as a military escort to accompany the Lord and His saints through enemy territory back to heaven (cf. Luk_16:22).