Daniel Marsh Posted May 1, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted May 1, 2020 When was the last time a Muslim visited a pentecostal or charismatic service and came to Jesus because he/she heard the Gospel being preached when people were speaking in languages unknown to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted May 1, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted May 1, 2020 49 minutes ago, Daniel Marsh said: Limiting chaos to a time period of the service is still chaos. Applying the following to many "dead" denominational liberal and Spirit-less churches, it is easier to cool down a fanatic than to warm up a corpse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted May 2, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted May 2, 2020 46 minutes ago, Daniel Marsh said: When was the last time a Muslim visited a pentecostal or charismatic service and came to Jesus because he/she heard the Gospel being preached when people were speaking in languages unknown to them? When I first went to the most Pentecostal or AOG churches, although I heard many praying in tongues during worship times, I never saw anyone get up and address the people in tongues. When it came time for the preaching, the pastor preached a clear gospel message, and as a result of that clear gospel message, I received Christ as my Saviour. In all my time with Pentecostal groups, I have never witnessed anyone getting up and preaching in tongues. That would never have been accepted in any Pentecostal churches I know of, even in the most wacky ones. So, your "muslim" excuse is nowhere near realistic. Why don't you just accept that speaking in tongues is just not your "cup of tea", like my wife's attitude to it, instead of teaching others to avoid it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted May 3, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted May 3, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 8:02 PM, Paul James said: When I first went to the most Pentecostal or AOG churches, although I heard many praying in tongues during worship times, I never saw anyone get up and address the people in tongues. When it came time for the preaching, the pastor preached a clear gospel message, and as a result of that clear gospel message, I received Christ as my Saviour. In all my time with Pentecostal groups, I have never witnessed anyone getting up and preaching in tongues. That would never have been accepted in any Pentecostal churches I know of, even in the most wacky ones. So, your "muslim" excuse is nowhere near realistic. Why don't you just accept that speaking in tongues is just not your "cup of tea", like my wife's attitude to it, instead of teaching others to avoid it? I already responded to this, where did it go? As Christians, we are to grow in serving others. In my experience, those who stay with the lowest gift, does not grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted May 4, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said: I already responded to this, where did it go? As Christians, we are to grow in serving others. In my experience, those who stay with the lowest gift, does not grow. Well, if you think tongues is the lowest gift, then don't ask for it, but don't block others through false Cessationist teaching otherwise you might find yourself contending with the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted May 4, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted May 4, 2020 16 hours ago, Paul James said: Well, if you think tongues is the lowest gift, then don't ask for it, but don't block others through false Cessationist teaching otherwise you might find yourself contending with the Holy Spirit. To my knowledge, I have not used Cessationist teachings because I am not one. Please show from their websites where the wording of my positions is theirs. If they are emphasizing serving others, maybe I should read their stuff sometime. Thanks, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted May 4, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) On 5/1/2020 at 8:02 PM, Paul James said: When I first went to the most Pentecostal or AOG churches, although I heard many praying in tongues during worship times, I never saw anyone get up and address the people in tongues. When it came time for the preaching, the pastor preached a clear gospel message, and as a result of that clear gospel message, I received Christ as my Saviour. In all my time with Pentecostal groups, I have never witnessed anyone getting up and preaching in tongues. That would never have been accepted in any Pentecostal churches I know of, even in the most wacky ones. So, your "muslim" excuse is nowhere near realistic. Why don't you just accept that speaking in tongues is just not your "cup of tea", like my wife's attitude to it, instead of teaching others to avoid it? When was the last time a Muslim visited a pentecostal or charismatic service and came to Jesus because he/she heard the Gospel being preached when people were speaking in languages unknown to them? is still a valid question. The people in Acts 2, heard people speaking in their own languages and as a result heard the gospel. Edited May 4, 2020 by Daniel Marsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted May 4, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted May 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said: To my knowledge, I have not used Cessationist teachings because I am not one. Please show from their websites where the wording of my positions is theirs. If they are emphasizing serving others, maybe I should read their stuff sometime. Thanks, Daniel If that is so, I have misunderstood you. It appears that you don't believe that receiving the gift of tongues in any form is God's will for you. That's okay. I'm not here to persuade people to receive the gift if they don't believe it is God's will for them. I would be wasting my time. All I can do is to explain what it is, and how it can effectively be used today to enhance a person's prayer life, and as a ministry in the church. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted May 4, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted May 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said: When was the last time a Muslim visited a pentecostal or charismatic service and came to Jesus because he/she heard the Gospel being preached when people were speaking in languages unknown to them? is still a valid question. The people in Acts 2, heard people speaking in their own languages and as a result heard the gospel. You see, there is a difference between saying that the gift of tongues is not for you because you don't believe it is God's will for you; and teaching others that it shouldn't be God's will for them. If you are doing this, then you are treading on dangerous ground, because you are telling people not to receive a gift that God may very well be intending to give; and by giving teaching against tongues, you can corrupt a person's faith so that God's desire to give them the gift is frustrated. Paul warned people not to be many teachers, because at the judgment, the judgment on teachers will be much stricter, because giving teaching to others bears a much greater responsibility than just stating a personal opinion. I think that God is very unhappy with those who frustrate His grace in the gifts and blessings He intends to give to those who seek Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted May 4, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted May 4, 2020 If one desires to serve others they should seek one or more of the gifts. If you want to grow go beyond tongues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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