Paul James Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 5/29/2019 at 3:47 AM, BorderCowboy said: You can't pursue anything from the Spirit the Spirit provides. And I believe that when the "disciples spoke in many tongues" this was in reference to many languages in order to be able to spread the word more efficiently. I think thisother conceptof tongues originates from ignorant misinterpretation. Just my two bits, JJ If that is so how to you reconcile 1 Corinthians 14:2 where it say that when a person speaks in tongues he speaks to God because no one understands him? Do you think Paul was ignorant misinterpreting what tongues actually is when he wrote that verse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 12:54 PM, johnthebaptist said: I haven't figured out what purpose is served in speaking in tongues unless someone understands what I am saying. Someone does. According to 1 Corinthians 14:2 it says that praying in tongues is to God, so it is fairly clear that He understands it, even if no one else does. I guess you are satisfied with just praying from your mind, and when you don't have any more words to express yourself, you stop praying. Paul didn't. When he ran out of words, he prayed in the Spirit and so he was able to pray without ceasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 11:33 AM, BlessedCreator said: The gift of tongues is not being given out in these end times and I dont believe they have been since the early church. Of course you have several verses of Scripture that says that it is only for the early church and not for those who follow to this day. sc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 4/23/2020 at 1:15 AM, johnthebaptist said: [27] If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. [28] But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 1 Cor 14:27-28 RSV And, the rest of the chapter? We mustn't read into the chapter what is not there, and we mustn't ignore what is there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Paul James said: Someone does. According to 1 Corinthians 14:2 it says that praying in tongues is to God, so it is fairly clear that He understands it, even if no one else does. I guess you are satisfied with just praying from your mind, and when you don't have any more words to express yourself, you stop praying. Paul didn't. When he ran out of words, he prayed in the Spirit and so he was able to pray without ceasing. Paul said to keep silent unless someone is there to interpret (1 Cor 14:27-28). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Paul James said: And, the rest of the chapter? We mustn't read into the chapter what is not there, and we mustn't ignore what is there. Paul was very clear, I believe - keep silent if no one is there to interpret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted April 28, 2020 6 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: Paul said to keep silent unless someone is there to interpret (1 Cor 14:27-28). That's right. But Paul said he spoke in tongues more than them all, and wished they all spoke in tongues, and that speaking tongues was giving thanks well, and seeing that in another place he said, "Be followers of me as I am of Christ", then where do you think he spoke in tongues if not in church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: Paul was very clear, I believe - keep silent if no one is there to interpret. He said, "I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all, yet in the church, I would rather speak two words in understandable language that all may be edified". So, he spoke in tongues more than all of them, yet not in church! Get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word "yet". Edited April 28, 2020 by Paul James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Paul James said: That's right. But Paul said he spoke in tongues more than them all, and wished they all spoke in tongues, and that speaking tongues was giving thanks well, and seeing that in another place he said, "Be followers of me as I am of Christ", then where do you think he spoke in tongues if not in church? If someone is "speaking in tongues" to show off, then a person isn't speaking in tongues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted April 28, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Paul James said: He said, "I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all, yet in the church, I would rather speak two words in understandable language that all may be edified". So, he spoke in tongues more than all of them, yet not in church! Get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word "yet". We have two great commandments to obey, that we love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and to love our neighbors as ourselves (Matt 22:34-40). It would be a waste of time to see who does, and doesn't speak, in tongues, and who does it the most, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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