M45510G1C Posted May 19, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2005 Seems to me you've got to make a choice. Either you're a Jew, or you're a Christian. I can respect people who make either choice. But to call yourself Messianic, is just a non-committal fence-sitting that does not glorify God. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which was Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahavah Posted May 19, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 172 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/13/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 19, 2005 Hey Ahavah....meet Steve. He likes to say inflammatory things just to get a reaction. He's actually an OK guy if you can get past that attention-getting device. Hi steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahavah Posted May 19, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 172 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/13/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 19, 2005 Seems to me you've got to make a choice. Either you're a Jew, or you're a Christian. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm...Wondering...there are ONLY 2 religions to choose from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted May 19, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Howdy 2 u 2, Ahavah... Yes, I value Yod's recommendation very highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 see what I mean Ahavah? He's actually pretty cool....just likes to start a "debate" (aka arguement) by saying things that stir people up. He's out on the left coast like you...but quite a bit south. So which congregation did you attend, Steve? What got you there and what drove you away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahsway Posted May 20, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 657 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1959 Share Posted May 20, 2005 I guess once a Jewish person becomes a believer in Yeshua as Savior/Messiah, that does not make them any less a Jewish person. To me, they are Messianic Jews. For a gentile to become a believer in Yeshua as Savior/Messiah, same goes for them. A gentile adopted into the covenant. One new man YES! One new man in the Spirit. Its my experience with some gentile believers that once a Jewish person becomes a believer they must leave behind all their Jewishness so to speak. But this should not be. Maybe what we are seeing are gentiles moving closer to their brothers the Messianic Jews through learning their Hebrew roots whith tradtional Hebrew worship, learning about the Feasts, the shofar, the Old Testament, And maybe the Jewish people are learning about their gentile brothers/sisters in the same way by learning the New Testament. I kinda see it as each one of us moving towards one another in love, with Yeshua being that middle ground, instead of moving away from each other. Yeshua has brought down the wall/partition that sperates us as Jews and Gentiles and bringing us togethere as One New Man in Himself. Anyway, thats how I see whats happening now. Shalom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc49 Posted May 20, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 498 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1949 Share Posted May 20, 2005 In the Messianic Movement... I've been noticing alot of people who are either Gentile, and acting Jewish...or they are Jewish, and acting like Gentiles. It's pretty messy. Why can't people be happy with who they are. Why do they try to become something that they aren't. Yeshua never told the Gentile to look like a Jew..nor did he tell the Jew to look like a Gentile. Both were to believe and follow Yeshua, Jew and Gentile..ONE in Yeshua...NOT seperate themselves again. Why do people do this? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> BECAUSE LIFE IS A ZOO A THEATRE just kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted May 20, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted May 20, 2005 [Hmm...Wondering...there are ONLY 2 religions to choose from? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, if you're concerned about freedom of choice, I suppose you could move to Japan and be a Shinto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted May 20, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Drove me away?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahavah Posted May 20, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 172 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/13/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 I guess once a Jewish person becomes a believer in Yeshua as Savior/Messiah, that does not make them any less a Jewish person. To me, they are Messianic Jews. For a gentile to become a believer in Yeshua as Savior/Messiah, same goes for them. A gentile adopted into the covenant. One new man YES! One new man in the Spirit. Its my experience with some gentile believers that once a Jewish person becomes a believer they must leave behind all their Jewishness so to speak. But this should not be. Maybe what we are seeing are gentiles moving closer to their brothers the Messianic Jews through learning their Hebrew roots whith tradtional Hebrew worship, learning about the Feasts, the shofar, the Old Testament, And maybe the Jewish people are learning about their gentile brothers/sisters in the same way by learning the New Testament. I kinda see it as each one of us moving towards one another in love, with Yeshua being that middle ground, instead of moving away from each other. Yeshua has brought down the wall/partition that sperates us as Jews and Gentiles and bringing us togethere as One New Man in Himself. Anyway, thats how I see whats happening now. Shalom <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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