Guest Mindy1982 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 is it a sin or hipocritical to believe in evolution??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don' think it's necessarily a sin to believe in evolution. The only sin, ultimately, for which people will be judged, is not believing that Jesus Christ is the only means of receiving God's grace and forgiveness for sin. Although I find it dificult for someone to claim that he believes both in God and in evolution, it is not the belief in evolution for which he will be judged- it is the rejection of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Samaritan Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Micro-evolution is evolution. Mutations which are not all harmful, not all beneficial, leading to small changes. That's why its called evolution. The difference between blonde and brunette is genetic, an inherited trait. Racial differences are just an accumulation of these small genetic mutations. Species are a human construct, which nature does not recognise. Plants and animals interbred (mules are a famous example). If God created the Chinese, why did He not reveal himself to them? They are after all the oldest civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted June 18, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2005 The Lord will reveal Himself to those who seek Him. There are many saved Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Samaritan Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Samaritan, The races of man evolved from the originals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust & Obey Posted June 19, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,091 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2005 I put it to you all again. The races of man evolved from the originals. Adam & Eve were of a race, for argument's sake, say Semitic (aside: Semitic comes from Shem one of Noah's sons). If there is no evolution, only dangerous mutations who die off, then all of their descendants should be of the same race. So Creationists, please explain where all the other races came from? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. At the tower of Babel God divided the people into different linguistic groups and they were scattered accordingly. Then, micro-evolution took place (which is really just variation within a kind, due to the different environmental factors present at their new location of dwelling. For example, those is Arica over the generations developed darker adn darker skin due to the son, and those in the European area developed whiter and whiter skin due to the lack of sun. It's not hard to imagine. I don' think this is a big problem for the creation model. Put this issue up against the "how did the first living cell originate from non-living matter" question and I think it pales in comparison. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So how is it again that you explain the differences in appearance between different races of humans, "micro evolution"? You apparently don't understand how evolution works because such massive changes via evolution would take more than the 6000 years the bible implies man has existed. But you do believe in an evolutionary process so it's a start. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey Fog. Micro-evolution (variation within a kind) is scientifically observable. There is no question to this. The problem is when people use the word "evolution," they are really meaning macro-evolution. Macro-evolution is the theory that one kind of animal can transition into another kind of animal. There are many theories as to how this theory could happen. The most popular is that it happens slowly over millions of years. But, some have even proposed the "hopeful monseter theory." This theory claims that it could happen in one generation. Meaning, a reptile lays an egg and when it hatches a bird flies out. In any event, macro-evolution cannot be proven and is based upon "scientific inference," which means it is speculation and guessing. Do you believe that a dog can produce a non-dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust & Obey Posted June 19, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,091 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2005 Micro-evolution is evolution. Mutations which are not all harmful, not all beneficial, leading to small changes. That's why its called evolution. The difference between blonde and brunette is genetic, an inherited trait. Racial differences are just an accumulation of these small genetic mutations. Species are a human construct, which nature does not recognise. Plants and animals interbred (mules are a famous example). If God created the Chinese, why did He not reveal himself to them? They are after all the oldest civilization. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Samaritan, China has THE LARGEST Christian population of any nation. True, this is likely because of their population. But, to say God has not revealed Himself to China is inaccurate. The term "species" can be a tricky discussion and that is why I prefer to use the biblical term "kind." The Bible says that God created animals after their kind, not after their species. So, if you some evidence of a dog producing a non-dog, or an elephant producing a non-elephant, by all means share it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Samaritan Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 This debate is advancing too quickly for me to keep up or hope to respond. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust & Obey Posted June 19, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,091 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2005 This debate is advancing too quickly for me to keep up or hope to respond. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread_of_Life Posted June 19, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/24/1981 Share Posted June 19, 2005 The "hopeful monster theory" isn't a straw man of mine. Yes, it is, since it was a hypothesis that was disproved almost 100 years ago, along with other forms of saltationism. But my question to you was in light of scientific research of the mitochondrial DNA suggesting that all DNA sequences have evolved from a common ancestor sequence, Enthusiastic laymen always misunderstand who "Mitochondrial Eve" was, and the significance of the finding, especially when they are enthusiastic about the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust & Obey Posted June 20, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,091 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2005 is it a sin or hipocritical to believe in evolution??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There is no such thing as evolution. The Lord is still creating it all. Actually, God is done creating. He finished His word after 6 days and rested on the 7th. We do not see any new creating happening as it would violate the 1st law of thermodynamics, conservation of matter and energy. Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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