JacquelineDeane55 Posted January 11, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 204 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/05/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2020 1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. How do you interpret this verse? I have always believed it meant that humans have a natural body and a soul dwelling inside of us. The first man is our natural bodies, and our second man is when we become souls when we die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted January 11, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 24 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.38 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, JacquelineDeane55 said: 1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. How do you interpret this verse? I have always believed it meant that humans have a natural body and a soul dwelling inside of us. The first man is our natural bodies, and our second man is when we become souls when we die. You ARE a spirit...that is the fundamental essence of your being. Spirit is what we are, and our spirits possess a soul, a mind, will, emotions, which makes us WHO we are. Both are housed in a flesh body, which is natural, earth born, made of dust...to which it must return. When we try to touch on and understand much of this we really need to understand what the Bible says death is. We tend to think of death as sleep..a state of unconsciousness, but that isn't how the Bible defines it. The Bible describes two deaths, a first and a second. Because of Adam's fall, and our inheritance of it, we were born into the "second death"....with a "dead" spirit. The second death is separation from God, not lack of conscious awareness. The first death is death of the flesh, which is what separates us from the physical body we now temporarily inhabit (also not a state of unconsciousness). No man living has escaped the first death, and none will until after the Judgement when the heavens and the earth are both renewed. Those born after that will be born alive spiritually, in spiritual bodies. No man has ever been born with a living spirit....all of us were born spiritually dead. To live spiritually we must be born again. Quote 1Co 15:42 ¶ So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. ¶ However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. When this flesh dies, the appointed fate of all men, those who are born again (spiritually alive) will receive a new physical body, made from the substance of heaven (whatever that is) and it will be a body that is no longer limited by "earthborn" limitations. We don't have a full revelation of all that means, but we can get some clues by observing what Jesus was capable of after the resurrection. He was fully capable of solid, physical presence with this world. He ate with His disciples, and they were able to touch and handle Him. But He also had abilities we do not have. Given that He appeared to disciples in many places in a short period of time, it seems likely He was able to step out of this realm, into another, and step back into this realm in a completely different place. We can be certain that He was somehow able to simply appear inside a locked room...the Bible clearly states that He did just that. So we may not have a full understanding of how all that works yet, but we will. Because at the resurrection we will be given a physical body like the one He has. A spiritual body, incorruptible...not subject to death at all. Quote 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. At the resurrection (and after the Judgement), those who are not born again, will be turned over to the power of the second death eternally...which is the lake of fire. Forever cut off from the presence of God. I don't know if that answered the question you meant to ask. And I avoided posting the Scriptures that back up each statement to avoid writing a book But, I'd be happy to do that if any part of what I said so far needs confirmation. Paul used the analogy of "sowing" ....our physical body is a seed. The spiritual body that springs and grows up after the physical body is sown in death will be defined by the characteristics developed in the seed before it died. Once the seed dies, there is no more potential for change. Edited January 12, 2020 by Jostler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 12, 2020 4 hours ago, JacquelineDeane55 said: 1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. How do you interpret this verse? I have always believed it meant that humans have a natural body and a soul dwelling inside of us. The first man is our natural bodies, and our second man is when we become souls when we die. Without making the effort to dig too deeply into this, I would agree with your interpretation, except I believe we already have souls, don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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