missmuffet Posted April 3, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2020 5 hours ago, seanriecke.com said: What is your definition of faith? " You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone" James 2:24 Faith in God is trust in God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted April 3, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, seanriecke.com said: Yes. Faith is a verb and means putting belief into action. Faith without acting on it is no faith at all. It's what James meant when he posed the question: ""if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? James 2:16-17. We are justified by God THRU FAITH, without works..... without any. And why is that? Because we are "saved by GRACE THRU FAITH, this is the GIFT OF GOD." Salvation is a GIFT, and you dont ever work for a GIFT. Jesus did the WORK on the Cross, He alone EARNED OUR SALVATION FOR US, that we receive by FAITH. '"faith is counted as Righteousness". Titus 3:5 """" Not by works of righteousness which we have done, ******** but according to GOD's mercy = HE saved us,***** by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost""". Philippians 1:6 """ Being confident of this very thing, that GOD which hath begun Salvation in you, will Himself perform it until the day of Jesus Christ"" So, be careful that you are not believing that you are to keep yourself saved by your effort, by your works, as if you believe that then you have rejected Christ and are now your own savior. Which is impossible for you to do. And if you teach that you are KEPT SAVED by works, then you have denied the Cross, insulted the Grace of God, and you'll find yourself under a curse. Galatians 1:8 So, certainly we are to continue to live a Holy lifestyle that reflects that we ARE SAVED, but we are not to ever believe or teach that by this lifestyle we are keeping ourselves saved, as this is heresy, and it denies the finished work of Jesus on the Cross and insults the Holy Spirit. Be careful. Edited April 3, 2020 by Behold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanriecke.com Posted April 5, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 29 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 4/3/2020 at 4:12 PM, Behold said: We are justified by God THRU FAITH, without works..... without any. And why is that? Because we are "saved by GRACE THRU FAITH, this is the GIFT OF GOD." Salvation is a GIFT, and you dont ever work for a GIFT. Jesus did the WORK on the Cross, He alone EARNED OUR SALVATION FOR US, that we receive by FAITH. '"faith is counted as Righteousness". Titus 3:5 """" Not by works of righteousness which we have done, ******** but according to GOD's mercy = HE saved us,***** by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost""". Philippians 1:6 """ Being confident of this very thing, that GOD which hath begun Salvation in you, will Himself perform it until the day of Jesus Christ"" So, be careful that you are not believing that you are to keep yourself saved by your effort, by your works, as if you believe that then you have rejected Christ and are now your own savior. Which is impossible for you to do. And if you teach that you are KEPT SAVED by works, then you have denied the Cross, insulted the Grace of God, and you'll find yourself under a curse. Galatians 1:8 So, certainly we are to continue to live a Holy lifestyle that reflects that we ARE SAVED, but we are not to ever believe or teach that by this lifestyle we are keeping ourselves saved, as this is heresy, and it denies the finished work of Jesus on the Cross and insults the Holy Spirit. Be careful. Hmmm.....what is your definition of a "holy lifestyle"? If one doesn't display such a lifestyle to "reflect that we are saved" then are we to assume then that we aren't saved? J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanriecke.com Posted April 5, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 29 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 4/3/2020 at 1:43 AM, missmuffet said: No, justification is by faith alone while faith in Christ produces good works. So by your definition if someone produces no good works then they have no faith? If they have no faith then can they really be saved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 6, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2020 13 hours ago, seanriecke.com said: So by your definition if someone produces no good works then they have no faith? If they have no faith then can they really be saved? First it is good faith. Out of that it is good works because you want to be obedient to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted April 6, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2020 23 hours ago, seanriecke.com said: Hmmm.....what is your definition of a "holy lifestyle"? If one doesn't display such a lifestyle to "reflect that we are saved" then are we to assume then that we aren't saved? J thx for your question. Did you take my TEST, that i wrote for you in the Theology Section? It asks you about "who is on the Cross". Go take it if you have time, as you'll find it to be quite enlightening.. == So.. 1.) Jesus entered into Heaven "once and for all, having OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION FOR US"> 2.) "faith is counted as righteousness". 3.) ""Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" You just read that Christ alone got your redemption for you. And this redemption, is the "free Gift of Salvation". "The Gift of Righteousness". Notice that world "Gift". So this means..... that all those lifestyle works, (present your body a living sacrifice).... are meaningless to save you, = because Jesus ALONE saved you on the Cross, thru His death, and resurrection. So, the questions is.....WHY are you doing those works that James talks about, ........not SHOULD YOU. See, everyone who is saved for 12 mins knows they are to live right. All Christians know they are to be holy, and strive to present their life as a holy one that would please God.......but WHY are you doing this is what separates the Grace filled believer from the Carnal Fleshy Legalist Heretic. See, in both cases, they are doing the same works. Both are trying to keep the commandments, both are trying to get sin out of their lives... BUT, if you are doing this because you BELIEVE that if you DON't you will "lose your salvation", then what has happened to you, is that you are no longer Trusting in Christ to get you to heaven, but you are trusting in YOURSELF and your SELF EFFORT to get you to heaven. This means, you are trying to keep yourself saved, because you are now the one who is on the Cross. You are now "fallen from Grace". Someone (a Christian) who is on the Cross, is trying to keep commandments and live a holy life to STAY SAVED, and that means that they are no longer Trusting in Christ to keep them saved. See that? So, YES< we are to live holy every second we are awake, but its because we ARE SAVED, and its never to try to STAY SAVED by doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts