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Behold last won the day on April 5 2020

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  1. --------------- Well there is a lot wrong with what you are implying. As there is a ton of implication here.. 1.) First. @OneLight.. you mistakenly call Salvation a Process. And this statement is simply a complete misunderstanding of Salvation.....See, what you have done is twisted the idea of "work our your salvation" into "keep yourself saved". You've turned what Jesus did, into what you are doing as self effort.... You've substituted the Cross for your WALK, for your Discipleship. This is because you don't understand that what Jesus accomplished by his Blood, Death, and Resurrection= IS Salvation.........Its not what we do with it. It what Jesus did that created it, and you dont understand this and that is why you think that your "walking it out", is actually Salvation, when in fact, what Jesus did on the Cross is SALVATION< that is OFFERED as a FINISHED Blood Atonement. You dont "walk that out" You RECEIVE IT BY FAITH. So, the "process of salvation" that you are confusing with What Jesus finished as His "WORK" on the Cross.....= what you are always doing.... is..... You are always confusing YOUR DISCIPLESHIP with "The finished WORK of Jesus on the Cross". 2.) You have this idea that because we have "flesh", that this gives us the excuse to keep sinning, repenting, and this becomes our Christianity. Thats not true. Or as you say, "It is not until we die that our old man vanishes with the natural desire it encompasses"" So, what you said, is not my reality, is not my Christianity, and should not be anyone's who understands how to "Walk in the Spirit" by Right Believing. You however are sinning and repenting because you are walking in the flesh, and until you learn how to Believe Right, you'll continue to fail, and talk more to us here about your Repenting. 3.) Again, you are teaching that you can stop being born again.. Stop being IN Christ, and stop having Eternal Life because you "walk away". This is once again Your Legalism being defined as "you can lose your salvation" by "walking away". Listen, God has purchased the born again person with the Blood of Christ. This makes us OWNED by God......and eternally so. There is no walking away from being born again. The idea of walking away that you present , is the idea that you can dissolve an eternal union with God and Christ because of a mood swing. = false Theology that is not only illogical, but, Grace Defying.
  2. The worst thing The Devil can do through a believer is to cause them to try to put real born again Christians under the bondage of SELF EFFORT to keep themselves Saved. This is how the Devil uses a deceived "believer" to defy the Grace of God. So, when you find one of these trying to replace "the Finished WORK of Jesus on the Cross", with Personal WORKS to try to do what only Christ on the Cross can do, then you've found a deceived believer. These people are incredibly harmful to other believers because they are relentless in their carnal desire put a Christian under bondage to "keeping themselves saved". They are relentless in their carnal desire to try to cause a believer to believe that they can lose their salvation.
  3. Yes. Resting in the peace of God, in the Grace of God, allows us to lose our sin consciousness. However, because you can't stop being "in Chrsit" and because God does not charge you with your sin, Romans 4:8 (works of the Flesh), then there is no "spiritual death", as you have already PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE... John 5:24
  4. I think you need to go back a few posts, and read where they said that 'justification" does not mean anything.. So that is why i was talking to this person about being born again.
  5. Actually, when the Devil is dealing with believers, He tries to negate the Cross by trying to replace the Gospel of Grace with the Gospel of Works/Self Effort. Where Satan tries to change it, or to over-write it, is regarding what Keeps you Saved. That is where He twists it. See, He can't keep you from being born again, but he can ruin your understanding of God's Grace by causing you to believe that you have the burden of keeping yourself saved for the rest of your life... His deceived try to do this to you. They would have Jesus off the Cross and you up on it trying to "complete" your salvation, or Keep yourself Saved. They would teach you that.....The blood atonement is subject to your behavior, and has no power of itself to maintain your Salvation for eternity. They sound like this..."well, you are saved, until you sin...and then, your relationship with God is broken...SO, you repent, and confess, and then YOU have restored yourself back into God's acceptance. See how that denies "The Finished WORK of Jesus on the CROSS" ?
  6. Where is the Cross ? Its missing. Where is the blood of Jesus shed for you? Its missing in your theology. Anyone can love their neighbor. But not everyone is born again. Jesus said to you... That "YOU Must be BORN AGAIN".
  7. We are "in Christ" because we are born again. Salvation, is finished at the start....We BEGIN, as the Righteousness of God in Christ. There is no making that better or perfecting it.. So, what you are talking about is our discipleship that has no impact on the BLOOD Atonement that has already accomplished our Eternal Life and Redemption. Your gospel of "adide and repent", is actually the error of trying to keep yourself saved by your self effort.
  8. That is one of the commandments that Jesus gave us... that you are referring to... @luigi We are not saved by commandments, we are saved by the shed Blood Of Jesus. If we are to go to heaven, then we have to so what Jesus said...>"You must be BORN AGAIN".
  9. I see you, clearly. How many more times will you continue to write "abide and repent", in ALL your posts that describe how you are trying to keep yourself saved?
  10. I've not lied about you. I just show you, you. @OneLight... the reality is, you have been telling me, and everyone you can find on this forum, for years, that they can lose their salvation. Your reason being, is, that you have concluded that you keep yourself saved, or you are not saved. You will then teach your gospel, which is......"Jesus started my salvation, but to stay saved i must keep abiding and repenting". Thats reality. That is your gospel of self saving, of Keeping yourself saved, by what you say does it for you... "abide and repent".
  11. They feel guilty, then they repent and confess of that which they have thought about or committed, that to them is a "sin", , to try to resolve their guilt. Most think that by doing this they are restoring relationship or fellowship with God., which is of course, impossible.
  12. Salvation is a Gift. Stop trying to keep yourself saved. Instead, give all Credit due Christ alone for saving you and keeping you saved. Don't try to take this credit for yourself by teaching a gospel of "abide and repent", as this is self effort, and self effort has no place "In Christ".
  13. This is exactly correct. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This salvation for our sin, is Yeshua becoming our sin, and not ours only, but for the sin of the World. The proof that our salvation is COMPLETED, is because we are BORN AGAIN. This is proof we have Eternal Life and Eternal Security. The same Blood of Jesus that God provided that redeems us, is the same that continues to do so.... its a one time sacrifice ...that never stops REDEEMING. The Blood Atonement is always saving FORWARD into the future.
  14. We don't remain in Jesus because of what we do, anymore then we saved ourselves to begin with.. .. Jesus remains in US.. He is our eternal life, our resurrection, our Eternal Security, and our everlasting peace with God. Stop teaching the gospel of self effort. "abide and repent'.... Try to understand that we are SAVED AND KEPT SAVED by JESUS WHO SAVED US. See that Logic? You should try it for yourself.
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