Liss Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 311 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2005 when i was in Bible college, one of the Pastors asked a question which i want to post here today to see what kind of response i get. "Did Jesus die for the whole world or just those that would believe?" personally i believe He did die for the whole world because #1 thats what the Bible says, and #2 if He only died for those that would believe it basically means that God would put each individual in a box saying "i didn't die for you because i know you won't believe", or to another ' did die for you because i know you will believe" i don't believe a loving God, creator, and Father would do that. also when God created mankind HE gave us a feedom of choice, if we were predestined to be saved or not saved wouldn't that nullify our freedom to choose. what do YOU think??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halifaxchristian Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 722 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2005 This is basically the Calvinist/Armenian debate in a nutshell. I am with you sister. Jesus died for everyone. Freewill is ours... Basic Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFaceInTheCrowd Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,138 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/26/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/16/1969 Share Posted July 15, 2005 John 3:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PwrInTheBld Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 473 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/05/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2005 He died for me, and the rest of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBronx Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 183 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/31/1968 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Good questions! Here's what I believe and I stress - I... Jesus died for the whole world...everybody...I believe that every single living soul on this planet was born with the hope of going to Heaven after repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour... When the Bible says we were "pre-destined" I don't believe it means God picked and chose but knew beforehand who would accept and who wouldn't - hence the blotting out of names in The Book of Life spoken of in Revelation... That is what I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halifaxchristian Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 722 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2005 You're a genius Mr.Bronx!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Good questions! Here's what I believe and I stress - I... Jesus died for the whole world...everybody...I believe that every single living soul on this planet was born with the hope of going to Heaven after repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour... When the Bible says we were "pre-destined" I don't believe it means God picked and chose but knew beforehand who would accept and who wouldn't - hence the blotting out of names in The Book of Life spoken of in Revelation... That is what I believe... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm...Well then what about the Greek word "Proorizo" from Ephesians 1:5? It literally means, "To select or mark beforehand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halifaxchristian Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 722 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2005 God selects and chooses those who are FAITHFUL. Remember a guy named Abraham??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2005 Good questions! Here's what I believe and I stress - I... Jesus died for the whole world...everybody...I believe that every single living soul on this planet was born with the hope of going to Heaven after repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour... When the Bible says we were "pre-destined" I don't believe it means God picked and chose but knew beforehand who would accept and who wouldn't - hence the blotting out of names in The Book of Life spoken of in Revelation... That is what I believe... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm...Well then what about the Greek word "Proorizo" from Ephesians 1:5? It literally means, "To select or mark beforehand." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But it doesn't mean that He actually follows through on it The debate basically comes down to, did God mark all people and they can walk away from this calling, or did He mark people and make them adhere to it? I, for one, believe that it was a universal call, a universal marking, that God has called out to all men but not all men have accepted this calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomotalking Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,838 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Good questions! Here's what I believe and I stress - I... Jesus died for the whole world...everybody...I believe that every single living soul on this planet was born with the hope of going to Heaven after repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour... When the Bible says we were "pre-destined" I don't believe it means God picked and chose but knew beforehand who would accept and who wouldn't - hence the blotting out of names in The Book of Life spoken of in Revelation... That is what I believe... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Personally, I believe that God blots our names out (if we have NOT accepted Christ) AFTER we die. Yomo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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