David1701 Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, Don19 said: Macroevolution is not possible; frankly, it's a ridiculous theory. God truly has made foolish the wisdom of the world! It's fun to laugh at evolution. But whatever you want to say about biology, and whatever specious arguments you want to present for it, it fails because evolutionists don't have millions or billions of years to work with. I can't post YouTube videos here, but go on YouTube and search for "What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy - Vol. I (Our Created Solar System)" (Vol. 2 is also on YouTube, about the starts and galaxies). The presenter, Spike Psarris, just goes through the whole solar system and explains why it cannot be billions of year old, and must be young, due to the observations of pretty much everything we see in our own solar system, and the rest of the universe itself. The earth itself cannot be billions of years old, as the magnetic field is decaying far too rapidly. Projected backwards 20,000 years, and the earth is liquefied due to the heat! LOL. And there are many more forms of evidence. http://creationwiki.org/Young_earth_evidence I have DVDs by Spike Psarris and I can confirm that they are excellent! He was a NASA scientist and knows what he's talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, Wesley L said: Interesting thought. But, evolution teaches that humans came from monkeys. That causes a problem, who was Adam? A human, half human monkey? So adam was the first monkey? or the first to be called a human? Were those monkeys or half humans before adam saved or not saved? Will we see them in heaven? Will they be able to speak? It confuses. God is not a God of confusion. It is plain that humans differ from animals in ways that are not merely physical. God could have created biological humans through evolution, but taken a much more direct approach in imbuing that part that makes humans in “the image of God.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, Deadworm said: Thanks for providing the online source for your claim. Back to this thread's subject, the creation text that is most compatible with evolution is Proverbs 8:30-31 [New Jerusalem Bible]: "I [Wisdom] was beside the master craftsman, delighting him day after day, ever at play in his presence, at play everywhere on his earth, delighting to be with the children of men." Wisdom personified speaks as if she were a distinct aspect of the Godhead. In Luke 11:49 "Sophia (= Wisdom pesonfied) speaks through Jesus Such speeches by Wisdom inspire the earliest reference to "the Trinity" ("trinas"): "God, God's Word [Christ], and God's Wisdom"(not "the Holy Spirit"--Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch--180 AD). Similarly, the Johannine hymn acclaims Christ as "the Logos," the rational Self-expression of God as opposed to God in His unknowability. Why apparently distinguish Lady Wisdom from the monotheistic God? Wisdom stands for the orderliness of the created and moral order, and so, Her function resembles that of "Mother Nature." Practically speaking, Wisdom represents the rational laws of Nature that God establishes and then leaves these laws to evolve into the universe as we know it. Notice that Wisdom's role in the world's craftsmanship is poetically characterized as divine "play." Though this image does not teach evolution, it is poetically compatible with seemingly random creation experiments, e. g. mass extinctions and evolutionary dead ends, phenomena that are standard aspects of evolution. How this model might be reconciled with a poetic understanding of the Genesis creation story will be the subject of my next planned post. The New Jerusalem Bible is Roman Catholic, which explains a lot. Also, your "explanation" is stretched beyond all reasonable bounds of credulity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 13 hours ago, Deadworm said: Let me add that the most respected defender of evolution in America is a devout Catholic named Dr. Kenneth Miller, who has authored high school and college texts on the subject. Ken Miller also wrote "Finding Darwin's God", which is an excellent work that views evolution as a tool that God used to create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, one.opinion said: Ken Miller also wrote "Finding Darwin's God", which is an excellent work that views evolution as a tool that God used to create. Darwin's "God" was his own mind - not worth finding. Edited July 26, 2020 by David1701 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, Don19 said: Macroevolution is not possible; frankly, it's a ridiculous theory. It is both possible, and the most plausible scientific explanation for the incredible variation of life we see today. Even Ken Ham's "Answers in Genesis" organization accepts macroevolution (although they do not use the term) for the development of the diversity of species since Noah's Flood. https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/species-and-kinds-and-the-ark/ AiG estimates in this article about 8,000 species present on the ark, but there are approximately 1 million species of insects alone. The only possible explanation for AiG is that not only does macroevolution happen, it must happen at a rate far FASTER than what mainstream scientists actually accept. 34 minutes ago, Don19 said: The earth itself cannot be billions of years old, as the magnetic field is decaying far too rapidly. Projected backwards 20,000 years, and the earth is liquefied due to the heat! LOL. YEC dismiss uniformitarionism at every opportunity, unless it supports something they like. The evidence suggests that the magnetic field is highly variable over very long periods of time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, David1701 said: He was a NASA scientist and knows what he's talking about. Why are credentials important only when the credentialed individual supports your personal beliefs - and never, if they believe something different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadworm Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 300 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2020 Notice how Don and David continually pontificate from ignorance without providing detailed arguments and without reading or watching the cited books and videos. And worse, without knowing Hebrew, David disses the New Jerusalem Bible from anti-Catholic prejudice, even though that Bible is renowned for its sensitivty to Hebrew nuance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley L Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 304 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 186 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, one.opinion said: It is plain that humans differ from animals in ways that are not merely physical. God could have created biological humans through evolution, but taken a much more direct approach in imbuing that part that makes humans in “the image of God.” To proof that, you first need to proof that evolution works. And that is a problem. Evolution doesn't work. Even when doing trial and error. It can't possibly work. There are 1001 examples how it couldn't work. Did the womb evolve first or the egg that just stayed inside and became without shell? Did bloodcells evolve first or the veigns? Did muscle evolve first or the nerves to control them? Did the eye evolve first or the way our brains translate the signals into images for us to see? Did the ear evolve first or the way our brains translate electrical signals into sound for us to hear? How many mutilated beings were walking on earth before it was good? It just makes God look like an infant playing around. And after millions and millions of trial and errors it was finally good? I just don't believe that evolution is part of the truth, because it contradicts with what the bible tells us about who God is. P.s. If evolution was true, means we are still evolving. Untill what point do we stop being humans again? If evolution was true, why can't we find any missing monkey human links but we find massive amounts of dinosaurs? Of which evolutionist says lived long before any humans lived on earth? Edited July 26, 2020 by Wesley L P.s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted July 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 42 minutes ago, Wesley L said: To proof that, you first need to proof that evolution works. And that is a problem. Evolution doesn't work. Even when doing trial and error. It can't possibly work. It really does work, and the evidence exists. Before I really put much effort into a response, I need to know how serious you are about a discussion. Do you truly want to discuss and learn about a different viewpoint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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