Two Atheists Were Arguing. So Who Won The Argument?

[JAG**]

I wrote the story below to poke fun at Atheists whose gods are Their Own Selves, Empiricism, Rationalism, Secularism, Logic, Science,

and what THEY claim is Rational Argumentation.

Its a dumb story but it does make a serious point.

So relax, read my short crazy story, and have a little harmless fun.

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A Very Short Story About John And Bob and Tom.

by JAG 

There are two atheists that are having an argument over contradictory propositions.

John Atheist and Bob Atheist.

They are having a private debate in their own thread.

They are now on page 40 in the thread and they are not writing short posts, but long drawn out lengthy screeds.

They both claim victory and claim that they have established a high degree of Probability that their position is the correct one, and that their opponent's position is incorrect.

I have utterly defeated you says John. My arguments stand at a 90% Probability of certainty and your arguments stand only at a 40% Probability of certainty and here are my reasons to support what I say.

No, all that is incorrect replies Bob. My arguments stand at a 90% Probability of certainty and your arguments only at a 40% Probability of certainty and here are my reasons to support what I say.

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The two atheists, John and Bob, decide to meet in Real World and continue their arguments.

They do this and they continue to argue back and forth for 10 days until they are near exhaustion.

Neither John or Bob will budge an inch.

How can we settle this, asks John.

Bob replies, let's go to the academic community and let them decide.

You mean we take a Majority Vote within the academic community?

Well no, replies John that would ruin our scholarly reputations and we'd be howled out of the room because everybody knows that taking a Majority Vote can not settle who has won an argument.

So my Ph.D's against your Ph.D's is not a very smart plan.

By the way Bob, again I have won and you have lost this argument.

No John, again you have lost and I have won this argument.

I know how we can settle this, said Bob, we can go and put our case before this organization:

The International World Authority That Has The Power To Decide Who Has, Or Has Not, Presented The Most Plausible Arguments.

That's a great idea replied John, but where are they located?

I don't know said Bob, lets ask Tom where we can find them.

So they asked Tom, but Tom said Listen fellas there is no such organization in the world as that, and you both should know this.

John and Bob both said well okay Tom, I guess you are right about that, but what in the world are we going to do now?

How can we settle who has won this argument with the highest degree of Plausibility?

I know how we can settle it, said John. We can let Tom settle it.

Okay said Bob, we will let Tom settle this.

Okay Tom, which one of us has won this argument?

Tom replied I declare that John has won this argument with the highest degree of Plausibility. I declare that John has won and that Bob has lost.

And so it came to pass that it was forever settled by Tom. John had won, and Bob had lost.

Ahh victory is sweet said John. I love it when I win and can know for certain that I have won.

The End.

LOL

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Yeah, I told you it was a dumb story, but it did make a few serious points if you stop and think about it seriously.

The takeaway point, in case you missed it, is that Atheists are not as smart as they think they are.

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[branchesofHim]

What is the point please? Shalom.

[JAG**]

7 hours ago, branchesofHim said:

What is the point please? Shalom.

 My Opening Post specifically, boldly, and clearly answered  your question.

The specific answer to your question is located at the very end of my Opening Post.

I even used the exact word that you used in your question which was the word "point."

Here is how my Opening Post ended:

"The takeaway point, in case you missed it, is that Atheists are not as smart as they think they are."___JAG

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Shalom to you too.

 

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[branchesofHim]

35 minutes ago, JAG** said:

"The takeaway point, in case you missed it, is that Atheists are not as smart as they think they are."___JAG

Understood. Shalom.

[JAG**]

6 minutes ago, branchesofHim said:

Understood. Shalom.

Okay. 

Thanks again for reading my story.  /smile

[IloveyouGod.]

@JAG** Cool story, but consider something for those atheists reading this would they be more likely to come to Christ because you teased them or if you instead did not tease them but were kind to them?    Just something to think about. 

God bless.

[JAG**]

1 hour ago, IloveyouGod. said:

@JAG** 

Cool story, but consider something for those atheists reading this would they be more

likely to come to Christ because you teased them or if you instead did not tease them

but were kind to them?    Just something to think about. 

God bless.

Your point is a good point. I have tried it both ways. 

{1} Kindness

{2} Aggressive Argumentation.

You can find examples of both approaches in the Holy Bible.

For some really strong talk from the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul

Read Matthew chapter 23  and read Galatians 1:6-10, just for starters.

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I have been on the Internet a very long time and have 

talked to a huge number of atheists about  God and

about the Lord Jesus, and  I have used both {1} and {2} up

there. Results? Only God knows for sure. But so far as I know

neither {1} or {2} has worked. 

Then this point: Actually my motive in writing my story was to

help Christians  see this: 

"The takeaway point, in case you missed it, is that Atheists are not as smart as they think they are."___JAG

Also the story pokes fun at atheists' pseudo-logic in argumentation and does not directly

attack them.

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One last point:

I have another version of that same story addressed to we Christians. 

Some of my true born again brothers and sisters in the Lord 

will "eat you alive" if you upset their doctrinal apple cart.

Nobody here at Worthy is  like that, but "out there" on the

Internet there are some   true Christians that  are "looking

for a fight" and they will "jump down your  throat" in a flash

if you say one word that upsets their  doctrinal apple cart.

And some are very easy to upset.  What you run into is you 

suddenly find yourself "disagreeing  with God." What does

that mean? It means  there are some true born again

Christians on the Internet At Large  that hold  the position

that "If you disagree with me doctrinally, then you  are

disagreeing with God." And of course, you can't argue with

God. Once they tell you, "Then  you don't believe God" or

"Then you don't believe the Bible" the  discussion is pretty

 much over. Tis true: There are some  true born again Christians

on Forums on the Internet At Large  that hold the position that

"If you disagree with me doctrinally, then you are disagreeing

with God." And some  of them will accuse you of not even being

a Christian merely because you disagree with them on some

doctrinal point ---and I am a Bible believing Baptist, and a 

Protestant, and an Evangelical  and I am as orthodox as you

can get --  - but I have been accused of not even being a

Christian merely because I did not agree with my fellow

Christians in areas such as Christian Eschatology. Also

I have seen true born again Christians accuse each other of not being

true Christians in threads where the Once Saved Always Saved thingy

was being argued because they disagreed with each other. So? So its

possible to read my story and think about some Christians who do not

discuss and argue on the basis  of love, but are unreasonable and unloving

in their approach to argumentation.

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God Bless you too, my friend.

JAG 

 

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Edited June 26, 2020 by JAG**

[IloveyouGod.]

@JAG**  That makes sense, thank you.

[JAG**]

19 minutes ago, IloveyouGod. said:

@JAG**       That makes sense, thank you.

Y'welcome , , ,

I appreciate you taking your time to come back and tell me that.

I am going to give you two  Tolkien quotes to show my appreciation.

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“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times.

But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to

do with the time that is given us.”___J.R.R. Tolkien 

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“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien,

 

 

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Edited June 26, 2020 by JAG**

[teddyv]

After reading that, I don't quite see how your takeaway point ("atheists are not as smart as you think") matches up with the story.

Personally I could see it more like a jibe on post-modernism or moral relativism where there is no central authority to be the arbiter to what is correct, in this case some random guy named Tom is decided to be that arbiter.