Your closest friendnt Posted September 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,900 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,781 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2020 20 hours ago, 0scar said: You fail in understanding the Christ did experienced the Kenosis - that is a total emptying of himself - in order to encarnate as Jesus Do you have any verse saying that Jesus is omniscient? No, offcourse you will fail on that too It seems odd to me...you are asking a question as simple as that...that from the birth of Jesus till his Circumcision, till as a 12 years visiting the Temple...hid introduction as a young adult...responsible for his actions...till his baptism by John ... You are asking if during all those times if he is omniscient... You have a duty to give a few words as to what you are asking with the word "omniscient"... And we can take it from there... To continue with the other stages Jesus went through till his ascension and we stopped right there at the ascension according to your question... But think about it...Jesus did not disappear at the time of his ascension...for he indeed disappeared from their view.... But what has happened to him after that is not hidden from us...it has been made known to us Jesus knowing that he had been born without the glory he had before and without the knowledge and wisdom and power and...he had before.. His mother had to teach him the language...and math and how to hygiene and use the spoon and games to play... re: he empty himself from everything..he started from the beginning.....the other disciples had understand that to..all of them... Jesus was in the likeness of a servant...just like us...not as a Gentile..but as a Jew, born under the Law of Moses... But as Jesus said about himself...calling himself "the Son of Man "... In due time Jesus began to know many things about himself...but no man knew who he was and no man could teach him who he really was...not only who he was prior to him entering our world...when he was born... But as Jesus growing up as it was the custom for all the children to hear and learn all about how God delivered them from the Captivity of Egypt. And they talk about the Messiah who will free them from their present Captivity of the Romans...during that time Jesus was taught by the Holy Spirit..by the spiritual gifts and the Angel's... No Jesus Christ did not have the GLORY the Heavenly Father bestowed upon him after the Cross and the Resurrection .. He died as a man ..he suffered as a man..and he had the powers but he set them aside did not use them ...that was his testing... He could appear to them as in the mount of configuration...and everyone will be scattered... he could saved himself but he did not. Jesus did not have The Glory as in being the Judge of all...the Jews and the Gentiles... All authority on Heaven and Earth and under the earth was not his yet.. The Gentiles never had God and never had the right to Jesus yet. During Jesus sojourning on earth before the Cross...Jesus went to the dead Gentiles after the Cross to give them the Gospel of Life in Hades. Jesus did not travel abroad to Gentile Nations....(Egypt the place of the Captivity...as an infant...and it must be within the Jewish community...perhaps he show the pyramids... With his parents or on the way he visit the red see or MOUNT SINAI... Jesus as an infant made the trip to Egypt like Jacob and his seed and came back to Israel.. He never met Greeks...Polish who he never heard of them and Germans...the heart of Europe.... After the Ascension the Heavenly Father gave Jesus all he had all his Theotis and the Holy Spirit... Is it not, or at some time after the Cross.... There is a number of things to ponder about... The Gospel was not preached openly to the Israel or to Gentiles...Samaritans... And Jesus said that he did not have the Holy Spirit of the Father yet. Jesus dis say...that he will be Glorified by the Father with the Glory he had before... This is not easily understood or accepted.. When they say to the OP question " Jesus is God"... Sugesting what? There is not clarity...only the treat to be called a Heretic...damnable heretic... No you are not a Heretic...we are not going to be burned on the stick...to be Saved... Jesus said that he is not everywhere and that he cannot be every where before the Cross and after the resurrection... Jesus said I can only be in one place at a time... Never show him being in two places before the ascension... He said. Get together there that's where I will come... But he said when the time come...the Holy Spirit will be with you ...all of you at the same time wherever you are... And he said something...when two or three of you gathered together in my name I will be among you.. Even when someone is alone Jesus is with him... When he said two of you Jesus said it with the meaning that he will ministered to each one through each one of the believers ...without being seen. That could not happen before the Cross... Jesus knew that Lasarus was sick and that he had died because it was revealed to him and he was told not to go there till later on and he obeyed...knowing that God had a reason...more than one... Jesus was also tested in those situations. But obeyed God...he did see the people he loved stricken with grief... Mary was right when wanted to know...why you let Lazarus die...why you were late in coming...why you did not sent your word to heal him... Jesus Christ show what it will happen to his loved ones when he dies... They will be afflicted with sorrow...for a little while... It was told to his Mother that...your heart will be afflicted just like a Sword going through it...She almost died from her sorrow the death of her Son...Jesus was tested in every step in these situations...seeing hid future a out himself in these circumstances... We cannot say that Jesus Christ or the Spirit of Jesus Christ is in the heart of people who do not believe... And definitely not where the Satanists gathered together to worship...where there Lord is there with them...calling upon his name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0scar Posted September 7, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/11/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1955 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 Omnisnient: what I eman can be found in any English dictionary Ascencion: at ascencion His glory was restores re-gaining all his atributes as omniscient. That is why I ask about his human an terrenial life only I agree with you: Jesus of Nazareth was not omniscient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted September 7, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,994 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,692 Content Per Day: 11.74 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 John 3:20 Isaiah 46: 9-10 Psalm 139: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0scar Posted September 8, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/11/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1955 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 21 hours ago, missmuffet said: 1 John 3:20 Isaiah 46: 9-10 Psalm 139: 4 No one of those verses are refering to Jesus os Nazaret. That is from the incarnation after experiencing the kenosis, until the ascencion when his glory is restored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 8, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,900 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,781 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 7/29/2020 at 2:40 PM, 0scar said: Do you know any verse refering to the omniscience of Jesus of Nazareth? I mean Jesus from incarnation/berth to ascension Omniscient =All knowing Jesus of Nazareth=because he grew there from a very young age..he was born in Bethlehem...the city of David...he was known as Jesus of Nazareth a city in Galilee... Jesus accent and way he dressed up was that of a Gallellien and not of someone from the tribe of Judah... Omniscient =all knowing , including the thoughts and intentions of people. Yes Jesus was omniscient..within the time frame of your question and the perimeters of his mission... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 8, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.51 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 7:18 PM, 0scar said: You fail in understanding the Christ did experienced the Kenosis - that is a total emptying of himself - in order to encarnate as Jesus Do you have any verse saying that Jesus is omniscient? No, offcourse you will fail on that too John 16:28-31 (ESV) 28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.” 29 His disciples said, “Ah, now you are speaking plainly and not using figurative speech! 30 Now we know that you know all things and do not need anyone to question you; this is why we believe that you came from God.” 31 Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0scar Posted September 8, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/11/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1955 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: Omniscient =All knowing Jesus of Nazareth=because he grew there from a very young age..he was born in Bethlehem...the city of David...he was known as Jesus of Nazareth a city in Galilee... Jesus accent and way he dressed up was that of a Gallellien and not of someone from the tribe of Judah... Omniscient =all knowing , including the thoughts and intentions of people. Yes Jesus was omniscient..within the time frame of your question and the perimeters of his mission... Is that your personal opinion or do you have any verse supporting your statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0scar Posted September 8, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/11/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1955 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, David1701 said: John 16:28-31 (ESV) 28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.” 29 His disciples said, “Ah, now you are speaking plainly and not using figurative speech! 30 Now we know that you know all things and do not need anyone to question you; this is why we believe that you came from God.” 31 Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? Those words of Peter doesnt mean that Jesus did know literally everithing Many persons along the Gospels and the Bible have said many things, not all of them being thruth Jesus did not know the day of his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 9, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,900 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,781 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, 0scar said: Is that your personal opinion or do you have any verse supporting your statement? John 11:3-15 3 So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love(D) is sick.” ***4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory(E) so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” ***5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days,*** 7 and then he said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.”(F) 8 “But Rabbi,”(G) they said, “a short while ago the Jews there tried to stone you,(H) and yet you are going back?” 9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light.(I) 10 It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.” ***11 After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend(J) Lazarus has fallen asleep;(K) but I am going there to wake him up.”*** 12 His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” 13 Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.(L) 14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.” ***** Jesus was in another city than Lazarus.. Jesus knew that Lasarus who was sick was still alive. And stayed where he was till Lazarus die. When Jesus knew that Lazarus died then he said to his disciples, let's go to Judea...that's where Lazarus lived and who now is dead. Jesus also new that Lasarus will not survive his illness, and that he will die... Is this enough to create a doubt in your mind... If not tell why it can not weaken your position in this matter... It does show that Jesus knew what was happening in a town far away from where he was...and he correctly report to his disciples what was happening to Lazarus as if he was there witnessing what was taking place... Are you some how satisfy... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 9, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,900 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,781 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, 0scar said: Is that your personal opinion or do you have any verse supporting your statement? In Mathew Jesus was preaching and healing in the cities of Galilee... The Crowd followed him everywhere...and were looking for him when never he went.... In all this commotion Jesus suddenly made a U turn and he went to a town that he had never been before and as we it happened the people of that town did not welcome him and they asked him to leave... Why Jesus suddenly leave everything (a successful ministry among the Galileans and go to this town... Jesus even though far away from that place knew that a man in that area, one of the lost sheep of Israel needed his help... And that what Jesus did in that place as soon as he landed there ...immediately went to where this man was.. Jesus knew where he was in a place that he had never been before and he went there just for him...he knew that some demons had possessed him and tormented him...and Jesus did what he intended to do while yet he was in the other side of the lake..he cust out the demons from him and healed him ...and then left... What an amazing happening... What a mighty God we serve. Hope that helps a little... Mathew 28 When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, [4] two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. 29 "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" ***This is not the best example and there a lot others..to follow...there is a cloud of witnesses.. THE GOOD SHEPARD He knew where the lost sheep was and he went to him to healed him and make him whole...Amen... Edited September 9, 2020 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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