David1701 Posted September 10, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2020 57 minutes ago, 0scar said: Any verse sopporting such heresy Christians believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, because the Bible says that he is God and that he is man. If you don't believe that, then it places you outside the pale of Christianity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted September 10, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2020 57 minutes ago, 0scar said: Any verse sopporting such heresy Why do you say this is heresy? Yahshua was both Man and God. He called himself Son of Man and other times called himself Son of God, both are accurate. Son of Man refers to those born of Man, Son of God refers to those born of God. Yahshua was both Man and God. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. - Jhn 1:1, 14 KJV Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: - Phl 2:6-7 KJV 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 11, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: Why do you say this is heresy? Yahshua was both Man and God. He called himself Son of Man and other times called himself Son of God, both are accurate. Son of Man refers to those born of Man, Son of God refers to those born of God. Yahshua was both Man and God. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. - Jhn 1:1, 14 KJV Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: - Phl 2:6-7 KJV Philistines 2:6-7 kjv Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: - Phl 2:6-7 KJV 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. It's of paramount importance that Jesus knew that he has to follow the path to his suffering and the Cross as a Lamb without sin...as the second and last Adam.... Jesus sojourn in the Land of Canaan "in Israel" both North and South kingdom the same way as Adam was before the fall...he was with the Life in him the same way Adam was before he disobeyed God. Adam was righteous on his own... That's why we call Jesus the second Adam ..because he was in the Life of God born this way...and at the same time in his own righteousness... Abraham was offering his Son on the mount Moria... And God told him that he will provide the Lamb...and he did the Lamb of God who takes the sins of the world....Jesus the man, the Lamb of God...just as Isaac was a man..instant of the sacrificial Lamb..Jesus died on top of the mountain...but God kept away the substitutinal Lamb this time ..it preserve it not to die. This Barabbas who set free. This is similar as in the Law... The sinner Barabbas was set free and Jesus the Lamb of God the innocent one had to die... This the same as it took place year after year... The High Priest put his hand on his chest where the names of the twelve tribes were written...denoting that all the sins of Israel were upon him...and then he puts his hands upon the head of the one of the two Lambs before him .. All the sins of the Nation were transferred to that Lamb...but the High Priest sacrifices the pure Lamb... Jesus Christ who died on the Cross was accused as a sinner...how relevant not that he had his own sins...but that he took the sins of the world upon him... So everyone who believes in him is free from his sins... Our Judge is the Man Jesus Christ...who still has and forever will have the Mark's of the Cross upon him...And we may say with caution that he looks to us through the nail holes in his hand...He is still and forever will be in his body of flesh as it was at the time of his death... Moses did not looked the same when he came down from the mountain Sinai...where he was with God... But when the glory failed away he was still the same... Jesus glory will never fade away but he will always have the mark's of the Cross on his body to prove that he is the same one who was put to death on the Cross and who was raised up from the dead in three days.. Amen... Edited September 11, 2020 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0scar Posted September 11, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/11/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1955 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 21 hours ago, David1701 said: Christians believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, because the Bible says that he is God and that he is man. If you don't believe that, then it places you outside the pale of Christianity. Jesus is fully God and man; not fully God plus fully man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0scar Posted September 11, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/11/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1955 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 And Jesus was not omniscient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 11, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2020 34 minutes ago, 0scar said: And Jesus was not omniscient If Jesus were not omniscient (He was and is), then he would not have been fully God. A god without all the attributes of God, is not God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WowLookaDuck Posted September 11, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 50 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 24 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, 0scar said: Jesus is fully God and man; not fully God plus fully man I don't understand the distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 12, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2020 9 hours ago, 0scar said: Jesus is fully God and man; not fully God plus fully man Have you considered what this scriptures says; Acts 10:38 New International Version how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. New Living Translation And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. English Standard Version how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. What does this scriptures say; God couldn't go to Hades...before EMANUEL... Jesus Inheritance at death it was the same as the offsprings of Abraham... At death he had to descend to the place of the dead in Sheol..Hades.. Man's Inheritance at death was descending. Man did not have a Heavenly Inheritance... Jesus was the inheritor of Heaven...so he was the first one who died and raised from the dead and ascended to Heaven.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0scar Posted September 14, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/11/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1955 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 5:26 PM, David1701 said: If Jesus were not omniscient (He was and is), then he would not have been fully God. A god without all the attributes of God, is not God. Omniscience is not a divine atribute Jesus did not know the day of his return. Jesus is not omniscient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0scar Posted September 14, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/11/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1955 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 2:38 AM, Your closest friendnt said: Have you considered what this scriptures says; Acts 10:38 New International Version how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. New Living Translation And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. English Standard Version how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. What does this scriptures say; God couldn't go to Hades...before EMANUEL... Jesus Inheritance at death it was the same as the offsprings of Abraham... At death he had to descend to the place of the dead in Sheol..Hades.. Man's Inheritance at death was descending. Man did not have a Heavenly Inheritance... Jesus was the inheritor of Heaven...so he was the first one who died and raised from the dead and ascended to Heaven.. Correct. Thanks Jesus did not have any divine power by himself, he had the power gived by God... as a prophet does 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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