Peterlag Posted September 18, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 115 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 I have seen a good number of folks commenting on this post with thoughts like I had said something about that the Christian should have the faith of Christ. I never said any such thing. I simply posted 9 verses that say Jesus Christ has his own faith as it was wrought or worked in him when he was raised from the dead and set at his own right hand in the heavenly places. See Ephesians 1:20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlag Posted September 18, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 115 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 39 minutes ago, Chicken coop2 said: I don't see it here. Can you explain what this means? Galatians 2:16 that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, Philippians 3:9 through the faith of Christ, 1 Timothy 1:14 with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 3:13 in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 2 Timothy 1:13 in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 2 Timothy 3:15 faith which is in Christ Jesus. A distinction must be made between the various usages and combinations of his name: Jesus, Christ, Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, and Lord Jesus Christ. Failing to make these distinctions and assuming that they are all used interchangeably clouds certain essential insights that are critical for christological accuracy. Basically, the usage of these terms is indicative of two distinctions. One is about his person, his humility when he was here upon the earth. The other is about his exaltation. Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament says the word “Christ” appears “when there is reference to the work or redemption.” This term emphasizes not so much the person of Christ as the job he was sent to do. This becomes very important when we understand Christ Jesus as he functions today with the power of God that has been placed within him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 18, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said: In Ephesians 1:20. That's the post I quoted. How could he have died, been resurrected, be seated in heaven beside God Himself and still require faith. How could He not know by now? Faith has a range of meanings; but it is primarily to do with trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlag Posted September 19, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 115 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 12 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said: In Ephesians 1:20. That's the post I quoted. How could he have died, been resurrected, be seated in heaven beside God Himself and still require faith. How could He not know by now? My teachers use to say if the Scripture does not add up. Then there's basically only 2 places where the error could be. Either there's an error in the Scriptures or there's an error in our understanding. So tell me is there a problem with the 6 verses above that you just responded to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlag Posted September 19, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 115 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 9 hours ago, David1701 said: Faith has a range of meanings; but it is primarily to do with trust. I agree trust is a very good translation into our English. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlag Posted September 19, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 115 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said: It must be the faith OF Christ: His faithfulness and perfect trust in the Father as He went to the Cross to demonstrate His love for His people. Our faith is clearly a WORK of "righteousness which we have done "(Titus 3:5) and we are not saved by works, but according to God's mercy. I agree that Christ has his own faith and that indeed was perfect trust in the Father as he went to the cross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlag Posted September 19, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 115 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said: I'm sure you would agree with me how important it is to explain this critical difference ...it's not just a game with words... they mean the difference between eternal life and death. So far I have not found one thing about what you write that I don't agree with. Did you ever read my paper on the resurrected Christ? You can get it from my profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlag Posted September 19, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 115 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said: Trust makes much more sense. But if it is a good translation for speakers of present day English to understand what is truly meant then it shows that there is good reason for more modern translations to exist after KJV. With modern day translations come a whole heck of a lot of new problems. Trying to give a better translation on the word "faith" ends up creating 10 more bad translations because men (the translators) write in whatever religion they believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlag Posted September 19, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 115 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chicken coop2 said: This? www.carb-fat.com/stephen.html I thought I was writing to Walter Goraj. Did I write to you by mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodMinute Posted September 19, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/07/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2020 the faith of Jesus is such a powerful topic. i was reading just today about How Jesus gave up everything to come down to save mankind. i was quite impacted with the parable of finding treasure in a field and the finder giving up everything to buy the field as quoted in matthew. i always thought the illustration was for christians to give up everything and go seek souls and save them. but i found out that it was about Jesus who gave up everything to save man and the field is the world. i'mso blessed to be part of the field that Jesus gave up everything for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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