Walter and Deborah Posted October 24, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,242 Topics Per Day: 0.50 Content Count: 4,367 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,030 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Saturday 10-24-20 Cheshvan 6, 5781 7th. day of the weekly cycle, 33rd. Fall Day Abram's Separation From Lot: Genesis Thirteen:1-13, God's Promise To Abram 14-18 ◄ Genesis Thirteen ► King James Bible Par ▾ Abram and Lot Part Ways 1And Abram went up out of Egypt, he, and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the south. 2And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold. 3And he went on his journeys from the south even to Bethel, unto the place where his tent had been at the beginning, between Bethel and Hai; 4Unto the place of the altar, which he had made there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the LORD. 5And Lot also, which went with Abram, had flocks, and herds, and tents. 6And the land was not able to bear them, that they might dwell together: for their substance was great, so that they could not dwell together. 7And there was a strife between the herdmen of Abram's cattle and the herdmen of Lot's cattle: and the Canaanite and the Perizzite dwelled then in the land. 8And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren. 9Is not the whole land before thee? separate thyself, I pray thee, from me: if thou wilt take the left hand, then I will go to the right; or if thou depart to the right hand, then I will go to the left. Lot Pitches Toward Sodom 10And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar. 11Then Lot chose him all the plain of Jordan; and Lot journeyed east: and they separated themselves the one from the other. 12Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom. 13But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. God Renews the Promise to Abram 14And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. 16And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. 17Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee. 18Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD. ◄ Genesis Fourteen ► King James Bible Par ▾ The War of the Kings 1And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations; 2That these made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar. 3All these were joined together in the vale of Siddim, which is the salt sea. 4Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer, and in the thirteenth year they rebelled. 5And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim, 6And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto Elparan, which is by the wilderness. 7And they returned, and came to Enmishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites, that dwelt in Hazezontamar. 8And there went out the king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoarhttps://www.christianityboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/clear.png and they joined battle with them in the vale of Siddim; 9With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five. Lot Seized by the Four Kings 10And the vale of Siddim was full of slimepits; and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there; and they that remained fled to the mountain. 11And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way. 12And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed. Abram Rescues Lot 13And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram. 14And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan. 15And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus. 16And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. Hebrews 7:1-10) 17And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. 18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 21And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: 24Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion. Love always, Walter and Debbie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted October 25, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 25, 2020 Shalom @Walter and Deborah I hope you both had a blessed Sabbath. On 10/24/2020 at 3:20 PM, Walter and Deborah said: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth This is just one proof that Abram knew of the name Yahweh. The reason I bring that up is there is seemingly a translational error in Exodus, which is in just about every English version of the Bible. Exodus 6:2 it reads "And God spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am Yahweh. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Yahweh I was not known to them." However in Hebrew this can been read as rhetoric question. So it could be translated as... "And God spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am Yahweh. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty. By My name, Yahweh, was I not known to them?" Indeed, all the patriarchs referred to Him by Name and why else would Yahweh tell Moses in Exodus 3 to tell the children of Israel "Yahweh has sent me" if the patriarchs never knew the name? On 10/24/2020 at 3:20 PM, Walter and Deborah said: Unto the place of the altar, which he had made there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the LORD. Just one more example of Abram knowing the Name. On 10/24/2020 at 3:20 PM, Walter and Deborah said: And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar Legend has it, from at least two sources, that Amraphel was another name for Nimrod, of the Tower of Babylon. Fascinating if true. Love & Shalom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter and Deborah Posted October 25, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,242 Topics Per Day: 0.50 Content Count: 4,367 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,030 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tzephanyahu said: This is just one proof that Abram knew of the name Yahweh. The reason I bring that up is there is seemingly a translational error in Exodus, which is in just about every English version of the Bible. Exodus 6:2 it reads "And God spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am Yahweh. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Yahweh I was not known to them." However in Hebrew this can been read as rhetoric question. So it could be translated as... "And God spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am Yahweh. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty. By My name, Yahweh, was I not known to them?" Indeed, all the patriarchs referred to Him by Name and why else would Yahweh tell Moses in Exodus 3 to tell the children of Israel "Yahweh has sent me" if the patriarchs never knew the name? Exodus 6:2 2And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: "I am the LORD, the God of all humankind. There is, indeed, nothing too difficult for me. New Heart English Bible "Look, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too difficult for me? A Faithful Version "Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me? GOD'S WORD® Translation "I am the LORD God of all humanity. Walter Edited October 25, 2020 by Walter and Deborah More info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted October 25, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, Walter and Deborah said: Exodus 6:2 2And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: "I am the LORD, the God of all humankind. There is, indeed, nothing too difficult for me. New Heart English Bible "Look, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too difficult for me? A Faithful Version "Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me? GOD'S WORD® Translation "I am the LORD God of all humanity. Walter Apologies, I meant Exodus 6:3! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter and Deborah Posted October 25, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,242 Topics Per Day: 0.50 Content Count: 4,367 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,030 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tzephanyahu said: Apologies, I meant Exodus 6:3! Ok! Exodus 6:3 3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Walter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted October 25, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Walter and Deborah said: Ok! Exodus 6:3 3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Walter Yeah. What a difference a number makes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter and Deborah Posted October 25, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,242 Topics Per Day: 0.50 Content Count: 4,367 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,030 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Walter and Deborah said: Jehovah JEHO'VAH, n. The Scripture name of the Supreme Being. If, as is supposed, this name is from the Hebrew substantive verb, the word denotes the Permanent Being, as the primary sense of the substantive verb in all languages, is to be fixed, to stand, to remain or abide. JEHOVAH - Definition from the KJV Dictionary av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/jehovah.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter and Deborah Posted October 25, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,242 Topics Per Day: 0.50 Content Count: 4,367 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,030 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said: This is just one proof that Abram knew of the name Yahweh. Amen, Have you looked at: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/245529-the-name-of-the-lord-is-a-strong-tower/?ct=1603649763 Because I noticed you mention the name Yahweh. Love, Walter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted October 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said: Amen, Have you looked at: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/245529-the-name-of-the-lord-is-a-strong-tower/?ct=1603649763 Because I noticed you mention the name Yahweh. Love, Walter Shalom Walter, Interesting post, thank you for sharing it. I base my choice on Yahweh rather than Jehovah because of the the evidence collated here: Faithandtheword.com/yahweh But I don't let the pronunciation come between me and a brother! However, ignorning the Name altogether is a violation of the third commandment, in my eyes, as detailed in that link above. I think it's important we praise and honour His Name figuratively and literally. Again, thank you very much for sharing the info. May Elohim bless you both this coming week. Love & Shalom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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