Pat Robertson calls fot the head of Chavez

[nebula]

I do see one problem though and it is this, in my opinion. I find it simply amazing that some will surrender their own brother so quickly over a bad remark. Yet will stand and call a thug like Chavez a decent human being? Time and again they call the Palestinian Terrorists, Freedom Fighters, and moral. All the while they are blowing up women and children and demanding the lives of their own children? Same time they are outraged at men like Ariel Sharon? All the while Sharon is making concessions like the withdraw of his own people. While the other side carry's on the banter of onward to Jerusalem and death to the Jew.  

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I'm sorry, Pat Robertson is not thinking clearly  , However Tyrants happen when Good men refuse to do nothing in the face of Tyranny. IE... The U.N.

Instead of Pat fighting this in the "flesh" by calling on the assassination of Chavez, he should have called believers everywhere to PRAYER for his removal!  In the flesh, we'll lose everytime -- but in the Spirit we WIN everytime!

Very wise words!

[dgolvach]

I'm not fan of Robertson. He did not choose his words wisely. Still, Chavez is a Marxist leader and thats a bad thing for sure. For the sake of not throwing the baby out with the bath water, I'm sure Pat is basically a good man and has done much good in his time. I also believe that he is loyal to his country and I admire that. He just needs to think before he rattles off. It might just be that he is getting very old and is not on his toes mentally as he once was.

Dan

[O'Dannyboy]

When Mr. Chavez made his comment about the U.S. and how he thought a U.S. invasion would turn out. I admittedly found myself somewhat offended and questioning his reasoning. It wasn't till I read many of your posts that I realised how much pride I actually have in the U.S.A. Sadly I fear my pride has caused me to make rash judgements about those who openly claim the U.S. as an enemy. I think that U.S. foreign policy has suffered as a result of our governments over-inflated opinion of itself.

Without a doubt, our country/government is rubbing a large percentage of the world "the wrong way".

Perhaps, after all the heat Pat Roberts is taking over his comments, he will take a vacation and reflect on what he has said and what he stands for. I personally never equated the 700 club with anything Christian though they tried to claim it. It has always dwelled on worldly thing such as politics and thusly I seldom ever watched the program.

I have no doubt the God allowed him to say these things for a reason. Perhaps a wake up call to those who follow self professed Christian leaders rather than reading the Bible and following Christ as it is supposed to be.

[amor]

I'm not fan of Robertson. He did not choose his words wisely. Still, Chavez is a Marxist leader and thats a bad thing for sure. For the sake of not throwing the baby out with the bath water, I'm sure Pat is basically a good man and has done much good  in his time. I also believe that he is loyal to his country and I admire that. He just needs to think before he rattles off. It might just be that he is getting very old and is not on his toes mentally as he once was.

Dan

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Marxist, hardly, sees himself as following in the footsteps of Simon Bolivar, I suspect he overates himself rather. Anyway he's popular with the majority of the Venezuelan people who voted for him in elections, and more recently against his recall. Not popular with the rich and middle-classes because he favours wealth redistribution. The US governments have a pretty wicked history of deposing Latin American democrats they don't like, remember Chile 1973 anyone, if this one, as they claims, really believes in democracy they should keep the noses of their spooks well out of it.

Preacher of hate Pat Robertson (as a moderate Christian I take the opportunity to denounce him here, I hope others of you will follow my example) wittered on about Venezuela being in America's region of influence, overlooking that this finishes at the Rio Grandeon one sise and the 49th parallel on the other.

[Guest yod]

Not popular with the rich and middle-classes because he favours wealth redistribution.

you mean communism, right?

The US governments have a pretty wicked history of deposing Latin American democrats they don't like,

I don't think we have a problem with democrats...it's the communists we oppose.

Preacher of hate Pat Robertson (as a moderate Christian I take the opportunity to denounce him here, I hope others of you will follow my example)

you? moderate christian?

that's rich!

You preach more hate in a post than Pat has in a lifetime. You are subtle about it but no one here is fooled

[amor]

Not popular with the rich and middle-classes because he favours wealth redistribution.

you mean communism, right?

The US governments have a pretty wicked history of deposing Latin American democrats they don't like,

I don't think we have a problem with democrats...it's the communists we oppose.

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Well Chavez was democratically elected, and his right to hold the post was confirmed in a recent recall election, so if you want to see him got rid of then you oppose democracy. As to redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor, its a policy advocated in the Bible, not just as a one off thing but something that should be done once every 50 years

As seen in Leviticus 25

8 " 'Count off seven sabbaths of years

[dgolvach]

Preacher of hate Pat Robertson

Preacher with a foot in his mouth for sure but "hate"?

Come on, thats just a smear word used (misused) by the left. If you disagree with anything leftist you are " hateful". I don't believe Robertson preached hate towards other people or cultures. He does hate ideologies that are not moral in his view. I, myself hate the religion of Islam. I hate what it does to Muslims and everyone else but I certainly don't hate Muslims. I just think they are blinded and brainwashed by a false religion. I believe that Robertson probably hates Communism and understands the threat of it. I doubt that he even knows Chavez. He just believes that dusting this guy would be for the greater good. I can assure you that Cuba would be better off without Uncle Fidel telling Cubans every move they can and cannot make. Socialism, Communism, Marxism or what ever you choose to call it makes the government your God and personal life nanny. It may even look good on paper but in reality it fails. Always. My own family escaped from a communist style Government and they can tell you that it dosent work. Except for the handful of elitist who call all of the shots. Capitalism, if coupled with a Godly world view is a much better system. It has more flexability to correct itself. When you centralize power its just a matter of time before you are a slave to the state. Venezuela will find this out sooner or later as every other nation who has tried this has. Also Communism tends to not promote faith in God because the whole idea is for it's subjects to put their faith in the Government. This is probably why Robertson hates this type of thinking. Still, I don't believe calling for the head of Chavez was wise.

Dan

[amor]

Preacher of hate Pat Robertson

Preacher with a foot in his mouth for sure but "hate"?

Come on, thats just a smear word used (misused) by the left. If you disagree with anything leftist you are " hateful". I don't believe Robertson preached hate towards other people or cultures. Dan

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He doesn't hate Chavez, he just thinks he should be murdered is that Pat's approach then? Not really in line with the teaching of the Gospel, is it?

[Guest yod]

Well Chavez was democratically elected, and his right to hold the post was confirmed in a recent recall election, so if you want to see him got rid of then you oppose democracy. As to redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor, its a policy advocated in the Bible, not just as a one off thing but something that should be done once every 50 years

I'm not familiar with Chavez' situation but every communist that I know of won a "democratic" election at the point of a gun. Like your hero, Yassir Arafat, won 96% of the vote among Palestinians in 1996. Everyone who opposed him was dead before the primaries and he ran unopposed.

Perhaps, however you would see Leviticus as a dangerous communist document that should be surpressed. To me what it talks about is good old fashioned social justice.

Your ignorance of the Bible is truly astounding.

Every man's allottment was tied to his labor. Nothing was ever RE-distributed because the person buying a piece of property bought it at a pro-rated cost knowing how long they had use of it.

In other words...it was rented.

No one had the right to take someone's property and just give it to another. EVER.

[amor]

Well Chavez was democratically elected, and his right to hold the post was confirmed in a recent recall election, so if you want to see him got rid of then you oppose democracy. As to redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor, its a policy advocated in the Bible, not just as a one off thing but something that should be done once every 50 years

I'm not familiar with Chavez' situation but every communist that I know of won a "democratic" election at the point of a gun. Like your hero, Yassir Arafat, won 96% of the vote among Palestinians in 1996. Everyone who opposed him was dead before the primaries and he ran unopposed.

Perhaps, however you would see Leviticus as a dangerous communist document that should be surpressed. To me what it talks about is good old fashioned social justice.

Your ignorance of the Bible is truly astounding.

Every man's allottment was tied to his labor. Nothing was ever RE-distributed because the person buying a piece of property bought it at a pro-rated cost knowing how long they had use of it.

In other words...it was rented.

No one had the right to take someone's property and just give it to another. EVER.

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Except according to Leviticus, nobody has any right to claim to land permanently Anyway, do you think the rich landowners got in in a just honest way?

23 " 'The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. 24 Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.