Markie51 Posted June 5, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted June 5, 2022 I agree with your understanding of Revelation 1:1; however, I do not agree with your understanding about John writing to literal angels and then having them present message to the seven congregations.-Revelations 1:20 “Angels,” sometimes are literal, but that what John wrote to were symbolic “seven stars”-leaders/elders of seven (lampstands) congregations. There is no need for John to write to literal angels, of which, would subsequently “relay” the messages to the congregations. In the Bible, “star/s” is used as literal and in a figurative sense such as in metaphor and similes to represent people/s. Do we not use a “star” metaphor-for emample-when honoring athletes or actors in movies? Compare: Genesis 15:5; 37:9, 10; 44:14; Numbers 24:17; Isaiah 14:4, 12, 13; 1 Corinthians 15:40, 41; Jude 11-13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted June 7, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,086 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 561 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 8/30/2021 at 3:25 PM, biblelesson said: Revelation 1:20, “The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. There have been questions regarding who the angels over the seven churches are and why would letters go these angels. The churches are, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodiceans. These churches are seven major churches first established by the gospel of Christ, and angels were placed over them. The word is Messenger, so, why would God tell John to write a "Letter to 7 Angels" ? They could learn their mission from God/Jesus. The word messenger means to the 7 Preachers/leaders of the 7 Churches. Their Pastors. In other words they were to be sent letters instructing them how they were doing in God's eyes. #0032 ἄγγελος aggelos {ang'-el-os} from aggello [probably derived from G0071, cf G0034] (to bring tidings); TDNT - 1:74,12; n m —Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God —Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From ἀγγέλλω [[aggello]] (probably derived from G0071; compare G0034; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication a pastor:—angel, messenger. —Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiros Posted June 8, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2022 Revelation 1.12 Quote Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, Καὶ ἐπέστρεψα βλέπειν τὴν φωνὴν ἥτις ἐλάλει μετ’ ἐμοῦ· καὶ ἐπιστρέψας εἶδον ἑπτὰ λυχνίας χρυσᾶς, ΕΠΤΑ ΛΥΧΝΙΑΣ ΧΡΥΣΑΣ(seven golden lampstands) = (5+80+300+1) + (30+400+600+50+10+1+200) + (600+100+400+200+1+200) = 386 + 1291 + 1501 = 3178 Twelfth paragraph points to New Jerusalem and the 12,000 furlongs. Thus the geodetic latitude of Jerusalem: Φ1(Jerusalem) = 31.78° We can take the phrase in nominative: ΕΠΤΑ ΛΥΧΝΙΑΙ ΧΡΥΣΑI(seven golden lampstands) = (5+80+300+1) + (30+400+600+50+10+1+10) + (600+100+400+200+1+10) = 386 + 1101 + 1311 = 2798 It’s easy to translate this value since it is used in the definition of New Jerusalem. New Jerusalem is defined distance wise and direction wise through Jerusalem and mount Everest. The latitude of mount Everest: Φ2(Everest) = 27.988° Right from the start, from the first chapter of Revelation we are given hinds about the New Jerusalem code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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