Revelation Man

CONTEXT MATTERS. In Galatians why does Paul call them foolish? Because they having started out in the Spirit (Faith) were now in the Flesh (serving the Law) and the whole chapter is Paul chastising them because of that, he then shows how the law avails nothing, how the PROMISE came 430 years before THE LAW, how the law was just a schoolmaster to bring us unto Faith in Christ Jesus and now that Jesus has come the law is no longer needed etc. etc. THEN....Paul says this and it confuses people enough that they get it all wrong, they turn Paul's message completely around and twist its meaning unknowingly. I can prove 100% Pal is not says there are no Jews and Gentiles now and we are all one in Christ. Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. So, do you not see the point Paul is making here? By reading the FULL CONTEXT it becomes very, very clear my friend. But first I want to point out something hat should shake this misconception to the core. Are there still MALES & FEMALES in the world today? Of course, then that juxtaposition should get you and others to understand that CAN NOT be the point Paul was making with the whole, there are no Jews nor Greeks (Gentiles) because if he is also saying there are no Males nor Females then it can't mean what you gentlemen think it means, but how can we understand what it really means? By looking at the full context, of course. Paul is chastising the Galatians because they had listened to people, more than likely Jews whom had converted the Christianity, who were telling them you have to keep the Law in order to please God and make it to heaven. So, no doubt they started keeping the Sabbath, doing sacrifices et al. So, Paul was like WHAT ARE YOU DOING !!!!! Why did you start out in the Faith (Spirit) only to start serving The Law (Flesh)? Did you not know the Promise [of Jesus] came 430 years before the Law? So, in essence what is Paul telling them? Quit trying to be "Jews" in order to make it into Heaven (WORKS of the FLESH). We are all ONE in Christ Jesus, both the Jew and Greek, Slave and Freeman, AND Male and Female. This of course did nit mean there were no slaves at that time right? And it did not mean that there were no males and females right? And alas, it also NEVER MEANT there were now no Jews nor Gentiles either, that a misconception. Paul is chastising the Galatians because they thought they had to be Jew LIKE via serving the Laws in order to work their way to Heaven. So, Paul is pointing to the one thing that ties ALL THREE things he mentioned together.......Male & Females, Jews & Gentiles and Slaves & Freemen... and that would be FAITH in Christ Jesus. Paul is saying there is only ONE WAY to make it to heaven and that IS NOT the law, it is by FAITH ALONE that we make it to Heaven, both Jew and Greek, Male and Female et al. When you grasp there are still Males and Females then it should hit you Paul is NOT SAYING we are all one, but is instead pointing unto how we all gain heaven in the EXACT SAME WAY.......Male & Female, Jew & Gentile, and that is by FAITH ALONE. Anyone who thinks God just shows up and saves 1/3 of Israel at the very end are also not thinking correctly, they must come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE also, thus the 1/3 repent and the 2/3 will perish or die just as Zech. 13:8-9 says. This is how we get off-tracked and go down cul-de-sacs my friend. You actually think Paul meant there will be no Jews now, thus there will be no Kingdom Age as God promised Abraham, all because you have misunderstood what Paul meant here. Never let one verse or sentence override God's promises. When that happens, TAKE ANOTHER, DEEPER LOOK !! God never confuses us, we confuse ourselves. Jews are the people of Israel, the USA are not Israel. Paul was merely saying we are all going to come unto Christ Jesus in the EXACT SAME MANNER.

People miss the SEA CHANGE we had upon Jesus death. He returned from heaven after 8 days with the gift of the holy spirit. We can therefore go to Corinthians 12 and see what the gifts of the spirit are. 1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. So, we do not so much have "Prophets" as the body in full, has the Gifts via Christ's FULL BODY in unison, to whom He will God gives these varied gifts. So, if I have a gift of healing, discernment and prophesy at times, does that make me a "Prophet"? Well, no not in Old Testament terms when it mostly meant bringing Israel (and the whole world later on) the word of God. This is why people get upset when I say Paul's letters are not God's Prophetic word per se. It is of God, but the Old Testament Prophets did not give us half the correspondence, we got everything God told the Prophet and how the prophet communicated with God. In the letters of Paul to the churches we got a one sided reply in most cases, and at times Paul would say remember when I was with you I told you these things, so we are left hanging. The RCC made these letters Holy Writ. Because of this many people get confused with things like the Rapture. If we had the full two way correspondence, it would no doubt not be confusing. I think God's Word was brought by the Old Testament Prophets, then God delivered the book of Revelation to John. The Epistles in the New Testament are just that words of encouragement unto the varied Churches and Saints. The Gospels are of course a testament unto Christ Jesus. For instance, is Satan really the one "sitting in the temple" or did Paul study and that was his opinion? Maybe God chose to give those things to Daniel and John but not Paul !! Neither of them say that, Jesus in Matt. 24:15-17 mentions something standing in the temples (holy place) but never says its a man. Both Daniel and John seems to say its the False Prophet doing this at the 1290, and since the Beast only conquers Israel 30 days later at the 1260 then the 1290 event cant be him. I think some kid of AI like unto the Anti-Christ is placed in the temple, I don't think the Beast is going to reside in a temple. Prophets in the Old Testament had to get away from mankind, go into the wilderness or desert into order to hear CLEARLY because every word had to be spot on. That is where some went wrong in the last election cycle, IMHO, I saw Trump winning but still "losing" because the time of the Anti-Christ was at hand and we had to fall aa a nation for the E.U. to arise. Biden was the perfect guy to bring that to pass. He's not there, so the Demons far and wide are running things in full in Wash. DC. Now, I always though Trump would win and be the President (Trump........LAST TRUMP) at the Rapture. God does things like that and always has. I'm rambling, the gist is, today Prophesy gifts are there, but they are different, its God using Prophetic utterance to many people for the good of the whole.

They are one and the same now. Ezekiel 37's Prophecy of two sticks stated this would come to pass. Personally, I do not understand why people do not take into account where all Israelis lived after the Northern Kingdoms were toted off. They lived in Judea so they were Judeans or Jews just like Italians, the Irish or Africans who moved to New York 50-100 years ago are now all New Yorkers or Americans, so likewise the other 11 tribes who lived in Judea over time became known as Judeans or Jews. So, when Israel were again toted off at the Diaspora, they were known as Jews from Judea. They were however All Israel. When the same people were killed by Hitler, they were called Jews, but they were from all 12 tribes, so when God brought them back, they were the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, God said so. Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. They are now one and the same as KNOWN by the world, and most do not even know which tribe they were from, some may, most don't.

Its my calling for 40 years, I only say I know something when I know it. Peoples problems seems to be they can not look afresh at anything because they do not want to have wasted time thinking in another way. I look at it all different, when God reproves me, I know His truths are going to come flooding in. Plus, God told us He would reveal ALL THINGS at the very end, so why are w 100 percent trusting men's ideas from BEFORE God's plan to reveal it all?

No, verses 7 & 8 are demonstrating why 70 AD can not be the return of Jesus and vs. 14 tells the Disciples how than can know 100% that the 70 AD wars will not be Jesus in spite of the Pharisees fulfilling John 5:43 (see below) by putting forth fake christs to try to save Jerusalem from the Roman fourth beast. John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye(Pharisees) will receive. Matt. 24 was a MUST NEEDS survival guide for the Disciples and early church. If the Disciples went rushing back thinking Jesus was come again, then they would have all been killed and the early Church would have followed them. So, Jesus had to get it this into their head that they would 1.) never see his return and 2.) that they would all be killed for his names sake, save John. 3.) and he must tell them what all had to happen (vs. 14) before the rapture could take place. Its like Jesus says, the baby is way on down the road, you must go through Birth Pangs first. That is the whole point brother, I will demonstrate at the bottom. The Disciples were only going to hear of the Wars & Rumors of wars via the 70 AD events that lasted from circa 66-70 AD. So, when Jesus tells them the end (70th week when Jesus shows up) is not yet, he then demonstrates why the 70 AD events CAN NOT be the 70th week which will bring the Messiah and gives a long list of things that lead up to those 70th week events, buy why? He had to key them into the fact that the 70 AD events was not his returning point, so that they would stay away, and not bring the Church back. So, verses 7-8 are just a demonstration unto the Disciples why he says in vs. 6 the END IS NOT YET.......He simply shows why in verses 7 & 8 !! That is true, that is the point, Jesus had to get them to grasp that the 70 AD events were not the END (70th week events) time events seen in Zech. 14:1. So, verses 7-8 only demonstrates why vs. 6 is not about the end times. Overall, it has nothing to do with Jesus' message unto his disciples and how to guide the church where they would not get quashed out of existence via wrong moves by the disciples. Lets go over Matthew 24:1-14 verse by verse Matt. 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things?(Temple) verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down(in 70 AD). 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? (Temples Destruction) and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Jesus answers first about THESE THINGS or the Temples Destruction 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you(Disciples). 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ(fulfills John 5:443 the Pharisees put forth messiah types); and shall deceive many. 6 And ye(Disciples) shall hear of wars and rumours of wars(the 70 AD events and wars): see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (So, this WAS Jesus' major message here. He needed to let his Disciples know that the 70 AD events were not him returning to set up the Kingdom Age which all Jews looked towards. He told them the temple will be destroyed [in 70 AD] but those saying they are the messiah are false christs, do not buy into it, THEN.......in verses 7-8 he makes it very, very, very clear why the 70 AD events can not be his return to set up the Kingdom Age, just after the 70th week, because THIS .........THIS .......THIS .........and THIS must all happen first. Famines the Disciples would never see, Nation against Nation (ethos vs. ethos) and Kingdom against kingdom, and this was not even a POSSIBILTY with Rome ruling, there was no uprisings or wars inside their kingdom, they ruled and NO ONE ELSE dared arise against them or agaainst anyone else. So, the Orange Section below is Jesus demonstrating why the 70 AD events were not him coming to set up his Kingdom Age and why that was the case. The Disciples would never see these Birth Pangs of Earthquakes, Great Famines, or Great Pestilences that killed many people (like the Black Plagues and COVID 19). So, your observation is correct, they never see all this, which is why I am telling you Jesus' overall message to the Disciples here is not really about these Birth Pangs at all, he's simply saying if this were the End Time 70th Week Events you would first have to see THIS........THIS.........THIS........and THIS. So, it can not be me come again. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Now Jesus goes right on telling the Disciples THEIR FATES..... 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you(Disciples): and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake(Rome turned against the Christians because they refused to worship Cesar as God, amongst other things, the disciples were their leaders so they tried to make an example out of them). 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. {{{ Here, when Rome turned up the pressures, many who claimed to be of Christ turned rat to save themselves. The FALSE PROPHETS here are not Christian or Jews, its the Jupiter, Zeus, and Babylonian false god types, they were getting hurt by the Gospel which was converting their patrons at an alarming rate so they cried unto Rome, who mostly served Jupiter/Zeus. The love of many waxes cold probably is Jesus referring unto the blood sport of killing in the arenas. }}} 13 But he that shall endure unto the end[OF ONES LIFE], the same shall be saved.(Jesus just told them they would all be killed, now he warned them they must be faithful until the end of their lives (Faithful unto death). 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come(70th week). {{{ So, in vs. 6 Jesus says THE END IS NOT YET.........at the 70 AD events....then he shows why its not even close because before the END (Baby) can come BIRTH PANGS must come, now in vs. 14 Jesus gives his Disciples a 100% understanding of why the END can not happen in 70AD because before that END can come, the Gospel must be preached unto the entire world, and the Disciples knew of India, China and the Scythians (modern day Russia) and they knew 100% that this would never happen in their lifetimes, so add ALL THREE THINGS TOGETHER, no one should miss Jesus' message here. 1.) The END is much later on, all these BIRTH PANGS must come before the end comes and Jesus sets up his Kingdom Age on this earth. 2.) You Disciples WILL all be KILLED 3.) Jesus is saying the END (70th week) where I set up my Kingdom Age at my 2nd Advent, can not happen until the Gospel has been preached unto the WHOLE WORLD. }}} Now, step back and take a fresh look, verses 4-13 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the End Times, meanwhile we have preachers who actually insist this is about the 70th week events. It is not nor can it be. As a matter of fact its just the opposite. Only once we get to verses 15 and on are we in the 70th week events, SEE BELOW 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Well that would be el correcto if the Seals were Wrath they are not. The Seals are Prophetic Utterances by Jesus as he opens the Scroll that has the Wrath Sealed up, he announces what is soon to come when that 7th Lock (Seal) is taken off. Why is it people can not grasp what a Signet Seals intention was? So, a King is in a war, he sends a message to the frontline general, inly he has that particular signet ring seal which is imprinted on a Wax Seal. So, if the message to his general had been read those three seals (kings used 3 seals) would have had to of been broken, the general would have known and would have killed the messengers and not followed through on his orders, if given any, he would have warned the king also. But if all three seals were on the message or letter, then if he opens one wax seal, there are still two seals keeping the contents from being read, so only when the other two seals are off can the message be read. Now if the general could see into the future he might say, we will be moving East tomorrow at noon and will cross the river on two days. That's what Jesus was doing as he open ed each seals, foretelling future events over a coming 42 month time period. Seals 1-5 are all the coming Anti-Christs actions as he rules as the Beast for 42 months. He conquers by peace, brings war, which bring famine, which brings sickness & death, AND he also kills the Gentiles who convert to Christ. Seal #6 is God's Wrath which covers the exact same 42 months. Part of God's Wrath is giving mankind the king their hearts so desired. This all starts at the Middle of the week 1260 events. But its Prophetic in nature. (See why below) The Jews repent at the 1335 (Two-witnesses) event, which happens 75 days before the 1260. Each number is that many days away from the 2nd Advent of Jesus on this earth. So, the 1/3 Jews repent (5 million or so, not 144,000 which is a CODE in Rev. 7) and they must be protected by God who orders the JUDGEMTS HELD UP, so the Trees, Earth, and Sea can not be HURT until they are Sealed and Protected. Then in Rev. 8 we see the 7th Seal opened, and the Wrath of God starts, that is why there is SILENCE in heaven, its a SOMBER MOMENT unto God and the angels. So, the Seals open the Scroll my friend, that's it. Why is it you can accept Joel 2:31 as Prophecy but not the Seals being opened? Bit speak about the Sun & Moon being darkened, but it only happens via the Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments because it is an Asteroid that brings it to pass. How can you miss the point I made about the Seals being Prophetic in nature?

My my, everything you put forth is always out of sorts with the facts. Stop taking commentary from men and ASK God, He will give you the answers Himself. There are proper commentaries, the problem with using them is you can find one that matches your own confirmations, so its useless then right? Especially if you do n0t say, well 50 said differently, but this agreed with me!! Now I will show you what this means from a deep 40 year study, we over 39 because I put forth this blog about 8 years or so ago. Daniel's 70 Weeks Decree against Israel In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not yet come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age. 1. Finish the transgression (Israel must repent before the 70 weeks judgment decree can come to an end) 2. Make and end of sins (Willful sins must end by the time the 70th week decree has ended, so says the prophecy) 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Israel will be blinded in part, until the "Time of the Gentiles" [servitude unto God] has come to pass, via the rapture. Therefore Israel can not repent as a nation until the 70th week has come, but must repent as a nation before the 70th week can end. A 7 year timeframe ) 4. Bring in everlasting righteousness (This prophecy must end with Jesus' Second Coming as Lord of lords and King of Kings ruling on this earth ) 5. To seal up vision and prophecy (All Prophecy must be completed or sealed up by the time the 70th week decree ends, so that couldn't have been 2000 years ago because much prophecy has yet to be fulfilled ) 6. Anoint the most Holy ( Jesus must be anointed King of kings and Lord of Lords before the 70th week can end ) 1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) and Paul in Romans 11 prophesied, among others. 2. This is fairly straightforward, "willful sins" can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom on earth, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no more willful sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the “time of Jacob’s trouble”, then “willful sins will end”. 3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom. 4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had willful sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. By the time Daniels prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness. 5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron. 6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth. All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy can be fulfilled in full. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah's help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world. ------------------------------------- So, there is no chance Jesus was this prince to come, its nit even a Capital P, as in Dan. 8: 27 where Jesus is described as a Prince. So, why would Daniel not capitalize the word? Because its not Jesus, its the Little Horn/A.C. who is to come 2000 some odd years after the people of Rome destroy the city Jerusalem. 25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. --------------------------------------- Remember there were no chapters and verses, the translators added them in, the prophesy is divided wrongly IMHO, if we were to divide the last "THREE VERSES" it should be divided into "TWO VERSES" like this. Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks(49 yrs), and threescore and two weeks(434 yrs): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off(Killed), but not for himself: and the people(Romans) of the prince (A.C.) that shall come shall(during the 70th week or at the end) destroy the city and the sanctuary;(Jerusalem in 70 AD) and the end thereof shall be with a flood(Roman army swamps Jerusalem) , and unto the end of the war desolations are determined(Jerusalem will be desolate unto 1948 when God raised the Dead Bones up again). 27 And he (A.C.) shall confirm the covenant(Agreement) with many for one week(Israel and every nation on the Mediterranean Coastline): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease**(The the A.C. from AFAR causes the Worshiping of Jesus to stop)**, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation(The Anti-Christ defiles the temple as per his orders from afar, until he is killed or CONSUMED), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ** The Anti-Christ is not in Jerusalem at the 1290, that happens 30 days before the 1260, it is 1290 days away from the 2nd coming while the A.C. only shows up 1260 days before the 2nd coming. Thus this False Prophet High Priest like unto Jason unto Antiochus Epiphanes, (the two Archetypes) will forbid Jesus worship in the temple of God by the 5 million or so (1/3 see Zech. 13:8-9) Jews who repent JUST BEFORE the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1 ONE VERSE LATER !! By the way, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, they show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming, and this 45 days before the 1290 and 75 days before the 1260. Then, this False Prophet Jewish High Priest will place an IMAGE of the E.U. President up in the temple. Bu the way, the Dan. 9:27 AGREEMENT is simply this, Israel joins the E.U. and that sets EVERYTHING in motion, Gd raptures the Church and His 70th week of penance, designed to get Israel to repent begins**

That is because the Judgments are not a prominent part of Daniel, its only spoken of in terms like this. Dan. 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Dn. 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Dan. 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. I stated what it meant earlier, and how that matched up with God the Father having to flood the whole world. It repented him.

This is too easy............... So, you guys who bring up this red herring actually think you have a great point, but you don't. Now lets destroy this red herring non point, which is all it is, with one simple verse. John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. So, what part of this do people not understand, Jesus says specifically that only in him will we have peace, in our hearts and spirit so to speak. but in THIS EVIL WORLD.........We will have CONTINUAL TRIBULATIONS or TROUBLES !! So, when we read about Smyrna in Rev. 2:10 and it says for 10 days (10 = COMPLETION) you will have tribulation, which means for the Complete Church Age (then we are Raptured). But alas, ALL TIME is Tribulation and that will indeed include the 70th week, IN FULL, what you guys do is conflate or confuse the first 3.5 years which by Jesus' own words is TRIBULATION,(see above) with the Greatest Ever Tribulation of 3.5 years at the end of the 70th week. So, 3.5 years of TRIBULATION....................then the Middle of the week starts the Greatest Ever Trib...................Jesus returns ............Troubles......................................................MID POINT...................Great Troubles......................................2nd coming. Knowing this please dont say the 70th week is not Full Tribulation again, if you do you will know thats just not factual

No one is on real Horses, we are not birds, that is Jesus speaking OVER THE HEAD of those of the world, unto his diciples and us in symbolism and parables only we can understand. Its the Wedding Feast, its a METAPHOR for the Bride/Church getting victory over their enemies who in many cases killed and murdered them throughout the Church Age. That is correct, it happens ON EARTH, after the Church returns with Jesus.

I will finish up where I left off yesterday first. There are more like 10-12 signs, but some are in verses 24-30. Verses 7-8 are not really a part of verses 4-13, they are meant to show WHY the END IS NOT YET in vs. 6, Jesus demonstrates why the end can not be the 70 AD events (wars & rumors of wars). It is not meant to be taken as those verses are a part of the END TIMES, they are not, every verse in 4-13 is specifically about the Disciples lives, period. Then in vs. 14 we see what brings THE END (70th week) and that is the Gospel being preached unto all the world. So, that way, the disciples knew 100% they would never see the 2nd Advent of Jesus because they knew they would never reach India, China and the far Northern lands (Russia and everything over the Stepp mountains). Jesus told them this to stop them from rushing back to Jerusalem when they heard of the [fake] christ being at hand, and when the 70 AD wars kicked off in like 67-70 AD. The churches would have no doubt followed the diciples and the church would have been wiped out in its infancy. Lastly Jesus tells each disciple, save John, they were going to be killed, thus in vs. 13 he is telling THEM (not end time people) that THEY MUST ENDURE until the end [of their lives]. In other words, do not become another Judas and as Paul said, the race must be run in full, unto the end of the race. Jesus most certainly mentioned these Judgments, you didn't hear him however. Read vs. 29 again. the Sun and Moon goes dark, how is it you do not understand that is a DOTL reference? The Asteroid Impact in Rev. 8, in Trumps 1-3 BRING Trump #4 the Darkening of the Sun & Moon by 1/3. The Gospels are not Prophecy per se, they are Jesus teaching the Disciples mostly. So, why would he need to go in to detail about the end times unto them? He did that with John in the book of Revelation. Nope, the Wrath of God is in vs. 29, THEN........Jesus shows up 1260 days later in verses 30-31. The verses you cited 37-39 are the Pre 70th week Rapture. You see, when they asked Jesus about his coming, he HAD to give two explanations because some Jews will go through the 70th week and then get saved and alas some like us will be a part of Jesus' Bride right? The nuances matter brother. All these little tid-bits is why you get off tracked here and there. Yes, the coming for the Church, not the Second Coming, they would not be SURPRISED then would they? It has to be an EVENT that catches them by surprise, you see, once Jesus comes for the Church, its like THE RAIN STARTS FALLING, the Flood (Judgments) are coming, its just a matter of time !! This staring with the Beasts Conquering of Israel there will be a 1260 day countdown, everyone know what day Jesus is going to show up on. Right up until the pre 70th week Rapture, not up until the 2nd Coming as its known, which is a misnamed event, because 1/3 have been killed, they understand Jesus will show up 1260 days after the Beast conquers Israel, they can all read. They will not be surprised. You conflate it all to try and fit a narrative brother, just admit the pre 70th week rapture is real and BUCKLE UP !! The 6th Seal is Prophetic in nature, so yes it takes place AFTERWARDS, at the First Four Trumps, which are ONE EVENT, an Asteroid Impact. The 4th Trump shows this very event, the sun & moons light dims by 1/3. Jesus indeed sends his angels to Harvest the Wicked and the Wheat (Jews) in Rev. 14, BUT............look at Rev. 14:14 it is Jesus himself who Harvests the Church from upon the clouds !! That verse is a Pre 70th week flashback like in movies where we see flashbacks. Thats because you conflate Matt. 24:36-51 as being the Second Coming for the 2nd Advent, it is not, it is Jesus rapturing his Church home from upon the clouds. Rev. 11 (7th Trump Victory), Rev. 14:17-20, Rev. 16:19 and Rev. 19:17-20 are all the exact same event !! Jesus showing up to defeat his enemies on earth. Matt. 24:30-31 is the exact same event. Verse 29 however matches up with Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 16..........THEN Jesus comes (Matt. 24:30-31) just like in Rev. 16:19 and in Rev. 19:17-20. I can go verse by verse on Matt. 24 if needed. It hurts me to see you get so, so excited about another great reveal only to miss the mark. If I was in a war against you and you were slinging grenades I would party like it's 1999.

The birds in my honest opinion are symbolic also, they represent the Church. We are Feasting on those who had their way with wickedness on earth. In Matt. 24:28 Jesus says the Eagles are always where the Carcass is at. Remember, he says this right after Jesus says do not look for me in the Desert or in a Secret Store[room] then he says that verse. Matt. 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Then he tells them where to look for him at, in the Eastern skies, this way no Jew who repented and fled into the Petra/Bozrah mountains can be deceived. Then comes the below notation) 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. (I think this refers to WHERE Jesus will be, but we know the Church is with him, he says Eagles as in plural, so I think, just like in Rev. 19, the birds feasting is referring unto the Church or the Bride of Christ and at our wedding feast/super, we feast on the WICKED SYMBOLICALLY speaking)

The 7 Vials EMIT from the 7th Trump, so they are the Divine Completion (7) of God's Divine Wrath (7 Trumps) and Rev. 15 says just that, but by using that very verse many conflate it as saying only the 7 Vials are God's wrath, men sure do mix things up don't we? Rev. 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven(This SHOWS all the Rev. 12 sign being in HEAVEN Prophecy stuff in 2017 was mostly just malarky, LOL), great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Are all three Woes Judgments? Yes, and they come from the final Three Trumps as Rev. 8:13 says. If the 7 Vials emit from the 7th Trump, and they do, then the 7 Trumps IN and OF THEMSELVES contain the full Wrath of God. There could be 40 Trumps, if the Last Trump brings us a Woe and that woe was 20 Vials, it would still mean that all of Gods Wrath came from the 40 Trumps. See my point brother? According to facts in the bible, the 7 Seals are not Judgments, and NOWHERE do we see Angels bringing Judgments, we only see the covering Beasts with Jesus in heaven saying COME AND SEE.........COME AND SEE...........COME AND SEE, its visions of the future. The 7 Vials emit from the 7th Trump, they are the 3rd Woe.

For starters, you take one word (2 words) or phrase and totally misapplied it. The Second Coming term is rarely used in the bible, it usually just says coming, we added in the part referred unto as "2nd" ourselves. Read John 20, Jesus went to the Father, offered the Sacrifice and returned with the gift of the holy spirit. Jesus told Mary not to touch him for he had yet to ascend unto the Father, yet when the Disciples saw him 8 days later, Jesus told doubting Thomas to touch his wounds. It should be seen as the Second Avent not the "Second Coming". The Second Advent does not have to preclude Jesus returning unto this earth many many times. People of your persuasion on this, in my opinion, conflate this and then your whole thesis is marred by a misconception. Its not about Jesus' second return to earth, its about his second publicly seen stay, the first was a 33 year venture which led to a lamb being led to a sacrificial event as a Meek Lamb. The second will be Jesus' 1000 year reign on this earth as the Lion of Judah. All, this second coming, as John 20 proves, is just a bad perception of events. Jesus was the Man in Linen in Dan. 12, he was the Rock in the Desert that Israel followed, he was the burning Bush Moses saw, he was the man Abraham called Lord in Gen. 18 & 19 and on and on. Jesus comes to earth many, many many times. Matt. 24:30-31 is the Second Advent starting point. Matt. 24:36-51 is the pre 70th week rapture. As in the days of Noah they will be giving in marriage, partying, eating the fatted calf so to speak, but then just like when the floods came, it all changes, this can not happen during the 70th week, God's plagues will be falling, so why would these men of earth by acting in a normal fashion when Billion of Human Beings are being judged and killed by God? You see, NOTHING but a Pre 70th week (Pre Trib.) Rapture fits all the timeline narratives. The whole "HE CAN ONLY DO THAT ONE MORE TIME" is just you and others not understanding that its you and other men who have placed that "restraint or tag line on Jesus" not God. Where is the Anti-Christs White Horse? See why deeper analytical thinking always give us the true answers? I always try to follow the truth to its ends, I do not try to justify my own thoughts and understandings, its so easy to get caught up in that, I used to do it, find just the right bible translation to make my thoughts and understandings seem to FIT....I quit that a long time ago. Since both the Anti-Christ and Jesus "Rides a White Horse" its SYMBOLIC of a Conqueror and that was a real symbol in old times anyway, conquering kings were usually painted as being on a white horse. Likewise Satan's Anti-Christ does not ride a Red, Black or Pale Green horse either. Why would Jesus need to ride a white horse to come to earth? Did he depart on a white horse? after being called unto End Time Prophetic Understandings right at 40 years ago it still amazes me that people refuse to grasp the language God is speaking unto us in. Codes, Symbology and Metaphors, that is why the Jewish leaders 2000 years ago could not understand nor see Jesus as being their Messiah when they saw him, they were looking for a Conquering King, and he had to come out of Egypt but also be born in Bethlehem, so God does this on purpose. LIKEWISE, I see the place the A.C. is born (Dan. 8:9 MANDATES Greece) I see where he rising to Political Power (Dan. 7:7-8) in the Fourth Beasts Head amongst the 10 (Complete Europe Reunited) horns AND I also see this man must have Assyrian Blood (Isaiah 10). Now, whereas I see all these in a MESHED UP MAN, others argue he has to be Muslim (Syrian......they don't even understand it means Old Assyria or Iraq and Turkey mostly) some therefore say he arises in Turkey or in Babylon et al. Some say he's Jewish (which makes zero sense) et al. But the truth is, just like the Bethlehem/Egypt verses, this is easy stuff once we slow down, take off our colored glasses and look at all the facts, he must be born in Greece into a family who has Turkish/Iraqi roots but migrated to Greece, and he then arises to power in the E.U. since being born in Greece makes you an E.U. Citizen.🕵️‍It's Elementary my dear Watson. Seven Trumps are the only Judgments, that's why 7 = Divine Completion not 21. Finish the rest later...............you will not be able to rebut, so you may start another thread.

Its symbolic. The Seals are not God's Wrath, the 7th Seal opens the Scroll which is where God's Wrath is pronounced so to speak. This is very, very important. Remember when God had to flood the whole world and only 8 (New Beginnings) people were saved? Well, it repented God that he flooded the world so He swore He would never do that again. But, God was grieving and sorry He had to flood the world. Likewise, this silence in Heaven by the hosts of heavenly beings is them not being joyous at the judgment that has to be brought against mankind, where billions of humans will be killed. They are in a somber mood, like going to a funeral, they are not happy that they have to judge these human beings because God loves every man, but alas a righteous Judge has to mete out righteous judgment. The 7th Seal BRINGS Gods Judgment and Wrath via an Asteroid Impact. Rev. 10 matches this when one realizes there are only 7 (Divine Completion) Judgments (the 7 Trumps) not 21. The Seals are not Judgments, then we see the first Four Trumps which are just One Asteroid Impact in Four different Phases, and then we get the Three Woes (Rev. 8:13 says so) which is the last Three Trumps Sounding. The 7th Trump thus is the 3rd Woe, and the 3rd Woe is made up of 7 Vials that finish off God's Judgments or is the last portion of the 7 Trumps. Now back to Rev. 10. The 7 THUNDERS are the 7 Trumps. When the 7th Thunder is sounded, time will be no more [as we have known it under Satan] the earth at that point will be under Jesus Christs 1000 year rule on earth. John was told to eat this little book, he did so, and it was SWEET in his mouth (God's Judgment that brings us into Jesus' rule and into God's everlasting Kingdom) but very, very BITTER in his stomach (John saw billions of human beings being judged and killed, that was bitter unto John). So, likewise, the humans being judged and killed was not a joyous occasion in heaven, once the 7th Seal was opened they knew Judgment was at hand, thus the silence in heaven was meant to show this as a sad sort of sorrows, but alas, God has to judge the wicked.

Because we are Sinners who have been forgiven, God never sinned, he forgives us our sins but not Satan (Lucifer) and his 1/3 angels because they saw the Glory of God and rebelled. There is nothing they can ever learn from forgiveness, they SAW God in all his glory and perfection and still rebelled.

Because he had God given rights to be judged, like we do, our lives last in our body roughly 70 years give or take, Satan had a Glorious body, he was cast out of heaven and I am pretty sure their glorious bodies were taken away, that is why they are now in Spirit form. But, God can not just say, following Lucifer is wrong, its a sin, its evil, how is that a Just God (even if true). God had to show why following Lucifer would lead to chaos and evil. So, we are a theatre for all to see, God created mankind, gave us freewill, and Satan stole Adam's birthright (Dominion over earth) by lying unto him. So, now the stage was set for all to see, the actions of human beings following Satan's ways will be allowed for 6000 years or so. Then Jesus rules on earth for 1000 years, and these two reigns over the earth will be what condemns Satan in the end by comparing the reigns. Men under Satan's rule were greedy, hateful, murderers, liars, perverts, thieves et al. Men under Christ will not desire to sin with Satan the tempter locked up, they will be like unto Christ in all of their ways, but alas God has to allow Satan out after the 1000 years to make sure no man who harbors rebellion & hatred towards God slips through the cracks, so those who never knew a time of Satan's rule must be tempted to try their hearts, then after those people follow Satan are destroyed by fire, (I think this earth will be HELL, Satan wins his prize, LOL, and God sets this earth and universe ablaze) God brings us into a New Heaven, and a New Earth, where we who love God will live forever. Amen. I think I just answered all four at once

Satan is a great deceiver. So much so that at the very end, HUMAN BEINGS created by God try to kill their own loving Creator at Armageddon whilst being led by the great deceiver Satan and his minions, the very same one who is responsible for death, mayhem, murder, rape, lies, greed, hate et al. Anytime I hear something like this I know right away the problem is the liar is whispering to the person. It is what it is, if we put on the world, our hearts will meld into worldliness, if we put on God our hearts will meld into Godliness and hate this evil world. It comes down to CHOICES.

For starters, that forgiveness is in the Spiritual Realm, not physical per se. So why was Paul not tried for murder? Because he did it as a Roman and the Roman's saw it as the "justified, putting down opposition". Why do we have 75 million baby murders since 1973? The U.S. Gov. has justified it. Those guys, probably was only detaining him, of course you ca have one off crazy people anywhere. But if people do not ask forgiveness, you do not have to do that publicly, what that means is you forgive them in your heart, RELIZING you and I are all as filthy rags in God's eyes, you and I are no better in God's eyes than a serial rapist and murder, UNLESS we are covered by Jesus blood. Now, that may not make sense to you, but God is so holy that Jesus could not even allow Mary to touch him (John 20) before he ascended unto the Father, else his sacrifice would have been defiled and unacceptable unto God. If a person wants to harbor hate and anger, its only going to hurt them in the end. The very people who were killing Jesus, he prayed to the Father to forgive them. But that's in the spiritual realm. A just Gov. would have tried them, but they were the Gov.

Well of course it matters, I did not read the other posts, only yours, so if you were doing drugs that day, people imagine all sorts of things on drugs, see my point, I needed to know before I could answer. If you harbor unforgiveness on anything it will hurt you more than them because God did not harbor unforgiveness against us, he sent His only son to redeem us from our unworthy sin nature. How much more should we forgive others? When we do not forgive, it causes us separation of sorts with God. We may not see it in full, but we will not grow as close to God because of that unforgiving spirit. Selflessness by Jesus is OUR example.

I got you....thought you was referring to the 2nd coming point as seen at the 7th vial and asking where I got that understanding. For starters Jesus can not appear at the 6th Seal and the 7th Trump at the same time unless one tries to comingle the timelines of all the Seals, Trumps and Vials. But lets put that off for now and deal with your push-back question above. We know the Anti-Christ can not come forth until the Wrath of God falls, that's what 2 Thess. 2 says as well many other passages in the bible even if people do not quite get this in full. Revelation has a flow to it, we see in Rev. 1 Jesus in all his Glory, our Eternal God (the Redeemer). In Rev. 2 & 3 we see the Church Age (7 = Divine Completion) via the 7 Churches. In Rev. 4 & 5 we see the Church in Heaven with Jesus as Jesus is shown as worthy to open the Seals, every qualifier that Rev. 2 & 3 says must be met to gain heaven as a believer is met in Rev. 4:4. In Rev. 6 we see the Seals opened.....BUT, the 7 Seal is put off until Rev. 8 WHY? Then in Rev. 7, once we understand everything we can see this is nothing more that the 1/3 Jews who repented fleeing Judea. God says hold up the four winds (His Wrath) until we can seal or protect these Jews (144,000 is a CODE its 1/3 and we know 1/3 NOW is 5 million or so Jews) which means "get them saved" and "Harbor them in the Petra/Bozrah area" THEN and "only then" can God's Wrath fall at the Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments, which is what the 7 Sealed Scroll contains, its only opened via the 7th Seal which binds it. Now the Wrath of God can come forth at the middle of the week (1260) event. The Jews who repented or listened to Moses and Elijah (the 1335 blessing) flee at the 1290, not the 1260 after they are conquered, they get a 30 day notice to flee Judea, the False Prophet is the one who places the image, Rev. 13 says so right? The 2nd Beast gets the people to make an image of the first beast and thus the Anti-Christ only becomes the "Beast" over Israel 30 days later. Then we can see the Wrath in chapters 8, 9 and 16. However, we do not see anything about the Anti-Christ in Rev. 8, 9 nor 16, we can see that in Chapters 12, 13 and 17. They have the exact same timelines in those three chapters as Rev. 8, 9 and 16 in total, 1260 days in each case. Now, no one can grasp the points I am about to make without understanding the TIMELINES above, its impossible. The Chronological Order of the Book of Revelation has to be laid out first. Now THE QUESTION at hand ? as a matter of fact the 6th Seal is merely a "Prophetic Utterance" only. Notice this, its very important, we see the Anti-Christ in verses 1-5, and the Wrath of God in Seal #6, but they both cover the exact same 42 months or 1260 days as each chapter (12, 13 and 17&18) shows we see mentioned 1260 days in each one. In Rev. 17 it says the 10 kings (E.U.) rule ONE HOUR with the Beast (42 months has to = ONE HOUR then) and in Rev. 18 we see Babylon is Judged in ONE HOUR (42 months). We get they keys in all things via the 1260 days. So, how can we see God's Wrath until the 7th Seal is taken off? How can we see God's Wrath before His instrument of wrath, and asteroid, hits in Rev. 8? Its not possible, how can God hold up the wrath and protect protect the 144,000 (1/3 or 5 million) in Rev. 7 if the wrath has already fallen in Rev. 6? That is counter intuitive. Now lets look at each set introspectively by using the verses in each chapter to guide us. Rev. 8 and 16 sees the 7 Trumps and 7 Vials brought forth by Angels ACTIONS, Rev. 6 sees no such thing Rev. 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.......... 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;............. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; (Wormwood) 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. Rev. 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. Now lets look at Rev. chapter 6 Rev. 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. (It is a VISION not an ACTION that brings a plague) 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse(A.C.): and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer(1260 days ONLY). 3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another:(War) and there was given unto him a great sword. So, in each case we see a theme, in the Seals the covering Angels in Heaven as Jesus opens the Seals say COME AND SEE, which is them showing John what is soon to come, but only once the 7th seal is off. However, in Rev. 8 and Rev. 16 we see in each chapter, in each Trump or Vial, an ACTION brings God's Wrath or a a Plague in each case. We se no such thing in Rev. 6. But what we do see is the Coming Anti-Christs 42 month rule described to a tee in Seals 1-5 and the coming Wrath of God also described to a tee, but both can only start once God's Wrath falls in Rev. 8, because the Anti-Christ can not go forth conquering until the Wrath of God falls (Rev. 8) and the coming Wrath is described at the 6th Seal, and it MATCHES to a tee the First Four Trumps as seen in Rev. 8, the Fires bring smoke, the Impact in the Sea, the Fallout that poisons the fresh waters and lastly at the Fourth Trump the sun and moon dims because of all the smoke that dims the sun by 1/3. The 7th Seal is the key, its over in Rev. 8 for a reason. As per expecting scriptures that explicitly says this or that, do not expect it, God gives us these scriptures and expects those who seek the answers to dig deep and get them. No one knew Jesus was coming (basically) because God does not give us date and time, He gives us inferences. Jesus was to be born in Bethlehem AND he was to also come out of Egypt, but HOW? By fleeing to Egypt as a baby !! The Seals all need to be off before the Trumps can be brought forth. Lets say you have 7 locks on a closet door, you have a bunch of old movie posters in there worth lots of money. As you open each lock you describe a different poster to friends who are at your house, as you get to the 6th lock you describe an authentic Gone with the Wind poster. Yet, as you start to take off the 7th lock, not one of your friends have yet to see any of the posters right? however there is now no need to say anything, you just stay silent and open the 7th lock, knowing your friends will soon see it all in just a few moments. The Seals are the exact same thing, not one Trumpet Judgment can be brought forth until the Scroll is opened up and read aloud. Add in the facts that in Rev. 8 God is like HOLD UP the Four Winds (Judgments) that HURT the Earth, Sea and Trees, until we seal up the 144,000 (5 million fleeing Jews) and protect them. Thus we KNOW the Wrath only hits in Rev. 8.

Rev. 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jesus splits the Mt. of Olives), and the cities of the nations fell(Jesus defeats all the Nations who GATHERED at Armageddon...COME ON man): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. (Babylon = the Whole World under Satan's DECEPTIONS) Pstt, Rev. 11 the 7th Trump does not give the DETAILS of the coming 3rd Woe, JUST LIKE the 2nd Woe is mentioned in Rev. 11 but we also only get the DETAILS of the 2nd Woe in Rev. 9 !! Likewise we get the DETAILS of the 3rd Woe, which we know emits from the 7th Trump as (Rev. 8:13 MANDATES),only in Rev. 16, which is the real timeline, every other chapter after Rev. 9 (except 16) is a Parenthetical Citation. Rev. 11 is speaking only about the Two-witnesses 1260 day timeline, but they pray down all of the plagues, so 1335 days have to be covered by saying it ends in VICTORY, the details however are in Rev. 16. In Rev. 14 we see the End Time Harvesting of the wicked Grapes being placed in God's Wine-press just like we see in Rev. 16:19 it is the SAME EVENT. Lastly, in Rev. 19:17-20 that is also the exact same event as Rev. 16:19. Until one grasps the Chronological Order of the book of Revelation, its easy to get turned around in, like a maze, but the verses I quoted show the 7th Vial is Armageddon. It matches Joel chapter 2 and Zechariah 14.

Well, for starters you are in error, I stated I know more bout End Time Eschatology than anyone I have ever met, seen, read et al. That is not all prophecy, that is not my calling per se. All this has been given unto me in the last 8 or so years since I had my heart attack. I see things others do not see, and as a guy who never has been one to say things I do not know, for 30 years I did not know these things, God has chosen to reveal them now, too many people have their own agenda. But I have always been able to hear the voice of the Lord, I can tell if something is of God or not in 5 minutes, but God was not ready to unlock everything until the very end, so I did not speak on that which I did not know for 30 years, thats not my style. Here is what gets me, you expect me to pretend I do not know what I do know I guess and say I do not understand what I do understand, that is so very amusing. All because you can not understand the things I put forth, well maybe that is on you brother, because when you get to heaven and find out everything I put forth was factual, then you will understand my calling is my calling, not your calling. I wonder why God told me in a 1986 Vision "The Man of Sin is Here" or am I just a loud talking fibber type? I put out things not everyone can grasp because many are not willing to step back from things they learned previously. Well, I learned things for 30 years, and when I prayed unto God and asked why we as a church are not all in one accord and getting the end time blessings and UNDERSTANDINGS God promised in Daniel, that's when I got this......"Ron, you guys already know it all" So, unlike others, I understood I had to do one thing, throw all my 100 percent beliefs in the trash unless they were concrete pillars imbedded in Gods truths. The 144,000 Super Preachers came from men, not God. So, do I know more about end time Eschatology than anyone I have ever read, met, heard or talked unto? Yes, I can not fib and tell you differently. So, I know what country the A.C. is born in (Dan. 8:9) I know where he arises to power (E.U. Dan . 7:7-8) I know he has to have Assyrian Blood (Isaiah 10) I know ALL THREE have to mesh and he's an old Turk/Iraqi, born in Greece which qualifies him to be the Anti-Christ running the E.U. I know that the False Prophet has to be a Jewish High Priest, because I studied Dan. 11 & 12 via an Exegesis. I discovered a man named Jason (Its HARD WORK and I get REWARDED !! With knowledge, yes) who bribed Antiochus to become the High Priest, his real name was Yeshua, his brother was a pious high priest named Onias III hes the one spoken of in Dan. 11:22-23 who gets killed. So, Antiochus was the archetype A.C. and he has a Jewish SIDEKICK archetype False Prophet who welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus (which caused Hanukkah, the cleansing of the temple) Jason then mandated that all Jews become Hellenized, leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. So, we know the End Time Anti-Christ will be a Greek born President of the E.U. and he will have a Jewish High Priest SIDEKICK whom he pressures from afar to stop Jesus Worship not to take away some PROFANE MEAT SACRIFICE. How do I know? Because Israel repents BEFORE the DOTL arrives, as both Malachi 4:5 where Elijah is sent back before the DOTL says and Zech. 13:8-9 agrees, which says the 1/3 repent, and then in Zech. 14:1 the DOTL arrives, in the very next verse. So, if Israel repents before God's Wrath falls (it does) then those Jews who repented are not sacrificing a profane MEAT SACRIICE, they are worshiping Jesus their Messiah in the temple. Of course when one doesn't grasp the obvious, that the 1335 comes 1335 days before the 2nd coming of Jesus and that it is the coming Two-witnesses, or doesn't understand that the 1290 CAN NOT BE......the Anti-Christ, it can only be the False Prophet, the A.C. only Conquers Israel 30 days later at the 1260, then they get all bound up in their own false notions. So, when people refuse to heed these deep truths, of course they are not going to grasp other things which align themselves either. But I am correct on Eschatology, the scriptures bear this out. Everything I say about the 1335, 1290 and 1260 is confirmed, and gets dodged by others who can not even begin to comprehend this it seems. You see, only what I just stated above makes any sense at all as per unto the 1290 not being the A.C. because the Beast would not allow the Jews to flee Judea if he had already conquered them AND............why would God give them a sign AFTER they had been conquered? That makes no sense at all. BUT...........the 1290 being the False Prophet makes perfect sense, the Jews have 30 days to flee Judea........BUT............Like me for 30 years people 'just know the 1290 has to be the A.C." like most others think also, so they get tunnel vision which they can not get past. Also, is the 1335 Blessing really the Two-witnesses, does it fit? Lets test it. Of course it does, I don't just tell, people something is of God without knowing, without testing the spirits my man. BOTH the A.C. and Two-witnesses have 1260 day Ordained Offices by God, and the Two-witnesses DIE FIRST, I have told you this before, and or others here, of course its not what we learned as youths so it can not be correct right? But, it is correct, they die at the end of the 2nd Woe, the A.C. dies at the 7th Vial, the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the DOTL (1260) they are the 1335 Blessing. There is basically NO WAY of understanding all the end time Eschatological goings on until one grasps the 1335, 1290 and 1260 are in that order, the Two-witnesses show, the False Prophet then stops Jesus worship an d places the European Union Presidents Image up in the Temple, then LASTLY comes the Anti-Christ onto the scene as The Beast who Conquers Israel. Until anyone can fully grasp this understanding they CAN NOT understand end time eschatology in full. PERIOD. But, people cling to things we all "KNEW" before God was ready to "REVEAL" His deep truths, and thus it blocks us from hearing those deep truths. How can God tell the Church who the 144,000 are when the Church insists its 144,000 Jewish Mega Preachers? I can see who they are because I understand the Seals are not real events, they are Jesus pointing unto Gods coming Wrath via the 7 Trumps. Then we can understand they are a code, just like the 10 Virgins, it amuses me people admit the 10 Virgins can stand for the COMPETE Church, but God can not then use 12 x 12 (Fulness x Fulness) x 10 x 10 x 10 (Completeness) and see that is God saying the 144,000 is ALL Israel (Fulness x Completeness) who repent and then flee Judea, but alas, many will never give in to the obvious. These are the Jews who repent and Flee Judea...........It FITS THE NARRATIVE..........the Seals are Jesus saying what is about to hit, when the 7th Seal (WHY is it over in Rev. 8 ? WHY) is finally taken off the Scroll. So, in Rev. 7 God is like HOLD UP the four winds (Judgments) and HURT NOT the Trees, Seas and Earth until these (Jews who repent) have been SEALED (Saved) and PROTECTED !! Well, what Hurts the Earth, Seas and Trees? The Rev. 8 Trumps.........Its obvious that the 144.000 are about 5 Million Jews who are fleeing Judea. How can you HOLD UP Gods Wrath in Rev. 7 if it begins in Rev. 6? Only if one can see ALL THIS........Does the Covenant in Dan. 9:27 become very, very clear as per unto what it is. The False Prophet is the Anti-Christs right hand man, and from FROM AFAR he follows the dictates of the E.U. President, BUT WHY? Well, that makes no sense unless Israel joins the E.U. after the Gog and Magog scare, Satan is intelligent, he's going to feint one way, and the E.U. will help, but Satan knows the word of God, He knows God is going to wipe out the armies of Russia, Turkey and Iran, leaving a void in the region, so he's going to BUDDY UP to Israel to get her to join the E.U. and convince them to give up their Nukes. Read the European Neighborhood Policy(EPN), Israel and every nation in North Africa and Lebanon, Syria & Jordan have signed onto the ENP. When Israel joins the E.U. that sets off God's ANGER and the 70th week, the Time of the Gentiles [SERVICE to God] is come full, the Rapture happens at the same point in time. Which is you repeating my points towards anyone who is not Pre Trib. via Eschatology. This is not even hard tbh. I can poke holes in everything but pre 70th week easily. All this is true, anyone who can't understand the pre 70th week rapture, I do not buy into much they say about Prophecy, its my creed. No, you are in error. NOTICE what you always do, you DODGE every point I make because 1.) You don't read or 2.) You can not overcome my points. So, have you tried to debate any point I made above? No, and its the same way every time. Any point you make I do not agree with I can show in scriptures why I disagree, you just dodge every time. Anyone who dodges admits defeat on a debate brother. Revelation is ENCODED with the Old Testament, Daniel is a set of riddles, not codes so much. But that leaves you not understanding Modern Armies can CROSS RIVERS. That leaves your opening questions still in the lurch when its pretty easy stuff to me. How is God going to get the cowards to come unto Jerusalem? By STOPPING HIS PLAGUES. Whether you can grasp the obvious or not is on you. You asked the question, and seemingly have no answer, I have had this answer for a while now. You think like men brother. A man thinking like men can not see the riddles of God via Eschatology, then again its been my calling for 40 years. It will all come unto you soon in heaven my friend.

God's voice is The Word, but also the Holy Spirit, but being as God is a Spirit He speaks to us in the Spirit, the problem is most people do not understand how to TUNE God in. For starters, prayer, and (very important) WAITING ON the Lord as you are praying, there comes a point where you just sit still and WAIT upon the habitation of the Lord. The Lord inhabits the Prayers of His people. Expect God to show up and commune with you and He will but if you do not have time to WAIT He may not show up. Then you will hear His small still voice clearly. Atheists can never understand this concept, if the atheist is a "Smoker" I can usually demonstrate this in basic terms they can grasp. I simply ask them, when you want a cigarette do you (lets say his name is Mike) say Mike, take out a Cig, and light it up or do you just "TAKE OUT THE CIG.......and light it up?" And they say, well, of course I just take it out and light it up. So, I am like, "well your spirit sent that message unto your brain, because YOUR WILL was to smoke". God as a Spirit talks unto you in the same manner, He is not a human nor an Angel with a body, He is a Spirit. Nothing God has ever been or is now has ever changed, He is constant in all of His ways. So, we can only hear God by learning to "tune Him in". IF.........we listen to a Talk Show on our drive in to work, and lets say Rock Music on our drive home from work, and if we watch Sports or Movies on Nights and Weekends, and if we go to a Bar or a Movie, or Bowling, and spend ONE HOUR a week with God on Sunday, who are we going to hear in our spirit? Satan will be whispering unto us 24/7/365 pretty much.

Here is why I don't think it was God who gave you strength to throw these people off, God knows they did nothing wrong unto you, they had you in there to test you then take you to a mental health type place, not to harm you, and you might harm others (in their mind IF you had a mental problem). So, at that point in time they have to restrain you, and are not trying to harm you at all. Now, here comes the gist of the matter. You said you did drugs, well Remember Rodney King he was on Cocaine and threw off many cops. You need said, was you on drugs that night? If so, men become awful strong on certain drugs, and even though we "BELIVE God exists" that does not mean we are of God per se. So, if doing drugs, we are probably not walking with God. Pharmika (Drugs) was a part of old religions and the serving of false gods, Demons use the drugs to take you over. I know, at like 19 I took like 20-25 Valium one night while drinking, did not seem to do anything so I kept popping, well I sat on this guys hood, he was like get of my car dude, I could NO MOVE.......Seriously, they came and set me on the porch, then I could move again and sat right back on his car (LOL) then as they said something else I ran into the woods, and git arrested that night, I should have died, but of course God had a plan for my life a couple of years later. So, on drugs Satan and Demons can indeed have a sway over us, so were you doing drugs that night? If so, then there is you "SUPER POWERS ANSWERS" Gid answers no such prayer IMHO, to become violent to people trying to help you. ALSO..........that would also e an answer to was the "COP TRYING TO CHOKE YOU" of course he was in your mind, IF you were on drugs. No one can answer your question until you relay IF you were on drugs that day. It really has a bearing on what went down.