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  1. Those that fall away have a temporary kind of belief (not faith). But as James tells us “The demons believe also, and shudder” (Jam. 2:19). Belief alone is not faith. So IMO, the foolish virgins are churchgoers who think they are Christians, but are not. When does the Parable Take Place? There is a common theory associated with the Pretrib. Rapture, that the foolish and the wise virgins are those who come to faith during the Tribulation, after the Bride of Christ is already in heaven (according to their belief). Those who hold to this theory, ask why Bride isn’t present in the parable and only the virgins who they call “attendants” or “bridesmaids.” Some English Bible translations even mistranslated virgin as “bridesmaid.” This theory claims the absence of the Bride in the parable demonstrates that this is a parable about the physical Second Coming, not the Rapture. Jesus told a lot of parables. He didn’t include a Bride in any of them. There must be a reason. There is. The Bride is depicted in Rev. 21. The Bride of Christ is the New Jerusalem and all its inhabitants which descends after the Millennial Kingdom. It is not the Church as is commonly thought, but is comprised of the one New Man (Eph. 2:15) Jew and Greek. It is all of Jesus’s redeemed. So even at the Rapture, the entire Bride does not enter heaven, rather the Jewish remnant is part of that eventual Bride and they are still on earth at that point. Also, in the Parable, Jesus is depicted as a groom not a husband. If he had been married to the Bride for 7 years, he would be a husband not a groom! So why are there ten virgins waiting for one groom? Is Jesus marrying more than one? No, he is marrying the New Jerusalem! But that Bride is made up of a vast multitude of those that have placed their faith in Jesus and those who will. So in conclusion, the Parable takes place at the coming of Jesus to Rapture those made Righteous by his blood. Meaning of the Parable Now that we have settled some of the more controversial issues, that this takes place at the Rapture and that all the virgins are churchgoers, the meaning JUMPS to life. All the churchgoers are sleeping prior the darkest hour: This is a key verse. Every one is sleeping prior to the coming of Jesus. What does this mean? It means that right now, no one knows when Jesus is coming. We are all oblivious-we are asleep to the proper time. But a clamor is coming. At the darkest hour (midnight) a clamor will come. Now because our English bibles say its a “shout,” many misinterpret it to be the “shout” that accompanies Jesus descent from heave seen in 1 Thess. 4:15-17. However, these verses use different Greek words. Because this is another misunderstood part of the parable, here is what HELPS word study says about krauge – the word for clamor. HELPS Word-studies Cognate: 2906 kraugḗ (from 2896 /krázō, “cry out”) – loud crying, done with pathos (great emotion); clamorous screaming (shrieking) that is extremely boisterous, like a wounded person emitting “unearthly” (non-human) types of sounds. When will the people of the world emit sounds of unearthly screaming like a wounded person? There are two possibilities, either during the GREAT TRIBULATION or at the CELESTIAL EARTHLY DISTURBANCE when the tribes of the earth mourn. I used to favor the Great Tribulation, but lately I think it is the CELESTIAL EARTHLY DISTURBANCE that heralds the coming of Jesus. No one can sleep thru that event. Here’s why I think it’s the Celestial Earthly Disturbance: It will appear like “midnight” when the sun and moon darken The statement that follows, “Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him” implies our ability to see him Third, it is only at the Celestial Earthly Disturbance the whole world knows Jesus is coming; we are no longer asleep as to the day. It is at that moment that all the virgins, wise and foolish, “trim” or prepare and light their lamps. Now the word translated “lamp” in the English is another unfortunate word choice. The Greek word is actually lampas or torches. This is the same word used in Revelation 4:5 for the seven spirits before the throne of God. lampas is a bright, shining SALVATION, not a dinky lamp to light your own way. The Fate of the Foolish Virgins But unfortunately, the foolish virgins do not have enough “oil” to keep their torches lit. THIS IS A KEY UNDERSTANDING. What is oil but the oil of anointing of the Holy Spirit? As we have claimed from the beginning of this article, the foolish virgins are those who think they are Christians, but really aren’t. They don’t have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and their salvation torch has no flame. The Wise Virgins But the wise virgins were ready because they had the oil of the Holy Spirit. So the wise virgins are raptured and taken into the wedding feast. What follows are some of the saddest words in the Bible, “and the door was shut.” Jesus’s Explanation After the door was shut, the foolish virgins came pounding on it and crying out for Jesus to let them in, but it was too late. They thought they were Christians right up until the moment the door was closed! Then Jesus then told them one other thing that they lacked: Jesus didn’t say the foolish virgins didn’t know him, he said that he didn’t know them. A big difference. So these foolish virgins may have believed he was the Son of God. They may have believed he died for the sins of the world, but they had no faith. And one other thing: This then is the cryptic meaning behind the phrase, “I do not know you.” The foolish virgins without faith didn’t love God. They loved themselves. And when the moment of testing came, they fell away. And if Jesus knows us, he will confess us before the Father (Matt. 10:32). All who love him with agape love will enter the wedding feast. Be Vigalent Jesus concludes the parable with the same warning he gave his followers in the previous parable and throughout his applications of his teaching on the Tribulation: Why does Jesus conclude the parable this way? If the foolish virgins had been alert would they have been saved? Jesus certainly implies this. If so what does being alert mean? What are we to be alert for? How is this related to not knowing the day or hour? Somehow the unsaved foolish virgins were more likely to fall away because they weren’t alert . The Greek word translated alert is gregoreo meaning alert, watch, vigilant, such as keeping sentry watch at night. Paul presents this theme in 1 Thess. right after his famous rapture passage (1 Thess. 4:16-17). Paul is careful to show that the the Day of the Lord will come upon the unrepentant as a thief in the night and take them by complete surprise. He is just as careful to point out that it will not surprise the righteous. Pretribulationalists say this is because the righteous are raptured first, before the Day of the Lord (so that they don’t face the Day of the Lord). So does Paul say the righteous will not be taken by surprise by the Day of the Lord because they escape it, or because of something else? This says nothing about escape. It says the righteous will not be surprised because: They aren’t asleep They are alert They are sober (not drunk) Being asleep, drunk, or not watchful impairs someone’s ability to OBSERVE what is going on around them. Being awake, alert, and sober allows one to be able to SEE. True Christians will be able to SEE and identify the Antichrist when he arises. They will understand the sin of taking the Mark of the Beast. Watchfulness and the Pretrib. Rapture If you have been taught your entire life that you will be raptured to safety prior to the rise of the Antichrist, what if he does arise? Will you not recognize the sign Jesus gave us as the primary visual signal of the end times? Will you say: I’m supposed to be raptured prior the the Antichrist so this can’t be him Matt. 24 is for the Jews only, I don’t have to pay attention to the signs in it Thus it is safe to take this Mark Do you realize what a horrible brew of deception this is? How being alert to the signs Jesus has given us leads to the salvation of the unsaved who are relying on weak, human belief as opposed to faith; I don’t know. But Jesus clearly commands us to be alert for the signs of his coming . From.....Gospelintheendtimes........ by Nelson Walters The whole pos is based off a false premise, therefore it is a waste of time to have read it. The 5 foolish virgins will be those who did not have enough oil or Holy Spirit in them to hear the call of the Groom and make through the darkness to the groom. The darkness equals the world and its wicked ways. The job of the Church is finished, the Angel SPREADS THE GOSPEL in Rev. 11, we have an appointment to Marry the Lamb in Heaven. Those are just facts. No matter how many facts you are presented with you will discount them, because you have your own theories to boast about, but it's not God word, that states we will be in heaven, marry the Lamb, then return on White Horses.
  2. You are going down the wrong rabbit hole. That is the way people get taken down wrong paths. But then again it confirms your "MID TRIB THEORY". Even though its not factual. As a matter of fact I shake my head at people who come at me with that. No one ever answers my question, so where was Jesus at ? It say no man was able to open the Seals in Heaven OR ON EARTH or UNDER THE EARTH.................That is because Jesus needed to be seen as THE LAMB. It has nothing to do with Jesus being on earth when this happened. It's an easy opening for Satan to come in and confuse, but it's just not factual. Go this direction at your own peril brother. It's not the truth. Jesus Raptures us to Heaven in Rev. 4:1.
  3. The Anti-Christ is going to be from Europe. That is what the bible says. So its not going to be an agreement via the USA or Donald Trump. Dan. 7 says he arises out of the head of the Fourth Beast and Dan 8 says he arises from one of the Four Generals Kingdom in the latter days. So we have to get both passages to be correct. How can he arise out of both places at once.................COMMON SENSE needs to be used here. HOW ? Via a place that matches both passages of course. Greece, it is one of the Four Generals Kingdoms and it is in the European Union. Once they Conquer the MANY NATIONS mentioned in Dan. 11:40-43, they will be the exact Kingdom that the Old Roman Empire was in landmass, all over the Mediterranean Sea Region. In Dan. 11 we were given every King of the South vs. King of the North via the Syrian Wars in great detail, I wonder why ? Because the King of the North, a Grecian who rules the European Union which looks exactly like the Old Roman Empire, goes to War with the King of the South, whatever collection of nations that is, that includes Egypt, all of North Africa, maybe Turkey, etc. etc. He Conquers the Whole Mediterranean Sea Region. Why do we always try to include the USA when all of the former Beasts are known entities of the region ? And they all resided over Israel, the Mediterranean Sea Region, and they were all powers IN THE REGION. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome. Then comeS the European Anti-Christ. Not Trump.
  4. Of course it does, like I say, you conflate the timing. We will all be ONE IN Christ, but the Jews who come to Christ after the Rapture only do so because the scales have been taken off of their eyes. Rom. 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: You are so worried about the timing you lose sight of the facts, we are all one in Christ in that Abraham BELIEVED God via the promise of the Coming SEED which was Jesus, Daniel BELIEVED God, Peter and Paul BELIEVED God/Jesus, the Church Believes on Jesus and the Jews who REPENT during the 70th week will BELIEVE on Jesus as their Messiah !! Is not that all ONE IN CHRIST ? You just don't get the timing, well Paul tells us the timing in Rom. 11, it's right there brother, Israel will BE BLIND until the Fullness of the Gentiles {Rapture} be come in, the Gentile Church is what's being spoken of here, not the ones who tread Jerusalem for 42 months in Rev. 11, that is the Gentile Beast/Governments. The Church will be in Heaven when Israel repents. The IN PART of course means there will be some Messianic Jews but MOST will be blinded until after the Rapture. Nowhere do I say anyone comes unto Christ outside of FAITH in Christ, thus we are all ONE, but we are not Israel and Israel are not Gentiles ! So I did see your highlighted passages brother. I just don't get why you guys conflate Israel and the Gentile Church as per how God is going to deal with them in HIS OWN TIMING !! P.S. There are also Gentiles that come unto Christ during the 70th Week Tribulation period, they are the Martyrs under the Altar and the Remnant of Revelation 12:17. There are likewise Jews who REPENT during the Church Age thus the IN PART, so there are both Gentiles and Jews who come unto Christ BEFORE the Rapture AND Gentiles and Jews who come unto Christ AFTER the Rapture. That = ONE in Christ via FAITH alone, but scriptures show us God deals with Israel during the 70th Week in general. God tells us this if we just listen to the passages.
  5. You guys have a problem with God's "TIMING" then you conflate it with being OF CHRIST. That's on you brother, not me. I understand perfectly that all who come to Christ comes BY FAITH. It's just done at a different time !! So you point to scripture that basically says all that comes to Christ must come by FAITH ALONE and I am screaming I AGREE, but not via your/my TIMING but via God's timing. Getting the Rapture right means you can understand what God actually does as per the timing, not getting it right means one can't understand these things. The Church is Raptured then God takes the scales off of the Jews eyes just like Rom. 11 says. Then the 1/3 of Zechariah 13 repent whilst the 2/3 perish. That means 1/3 comes to Christ in just the manner that Galatians 3 says they must come doesn't it ? BY FAITH ALONE !! I never understand those who says Jesus will save the Jews who repent at the end, well that wouldn't be by FAITH ALONE, but Malachi 4:5 says they REPENT BEFORE the Day of the Lord. So they turn to God via FAITH ALONE, just as we do, just at a different TIME !! Israel is not the Gentile Church, they come unto Christ AFTER the Rapture.
  6. The Jews are raised when Jesus RETURNS. The Church is not Israel.
  7. It is Two Groups, but people conflate who the Remnant is which points to a Pre trib rapture also. Rev. 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. So the serpent {Satan} sends the Anti-Christ/his army to kill the Jews {the army is the flood}, but the earth helps her {like in Egypt, a wall of fire etc.} and swallowed the flood {protects Israel}. This makes Satan ANGRY that he could not get at the Woman {Israel}, so this can't be THE REMNANT, those Jews who chose Wickedness are not Israel, they chose not to accept Jesus, thus not to Flee Judea, they chose Hellenization so to speak like Jason during Antiochus' time. They will no doubt perish, so these who Flee Judea can't be THE REMNANT !! The Remnant of HER SEED..........Who was Israel's SEED ? Well Jesus was her SEED that should come to take away the Sins of the whole world according to scriptures. Gen. 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. So THE SEED was Jesus so who was THE REMNANT in Rev. 12:17 ? Well the Dragon/Serpent could not get at THE WOMAN {Israel} who fled to Petra, so who can the Remnant be but the REMNANT CHURCH ? And why is it called a Remnant which means a small part of something that is LEFT ? Because it is the SMALL PART of the Church that is on earth, while we see the Church in Heaven in Rev. chapters 4, 5 and 7 and even in Rev. 19. You see, it can't be the Remnant Jews, there is no such thing as per this passage, the Jews being spoken of have Repented and are now ALL ISRAEL {144,000}. The Anti-Christ has no problem getting at the 2/3 of the Jews who don't repent but guess what, they don't keep the Word of Christ so it can't be them, the rejected Jesus, and it can't be the Jews who fled Judea because Satan is ANGRY he can't get at them, so it can ONLY BE the Remnant Church on earth !! Post Trib is dead with this passage, but they choose to ignore it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course, that is why they Flee Judea, Malachi 4:5-5 tells us this, that is where my Daniel 12 understanding of the 1260, 1290 and 1335 comes from. I see Israel repenting at the 1335, what a Blessing. Allow me to run it down in Zechariah................. {WE ARE HERE right now} Zechariah 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Israel then Repents during the 70th Week !! Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened {Jesus' blood} to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness. 2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land. 3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the Lord: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth. 4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive: 5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth. So, Israel REPENTS, then in that day God will start BLESSING THEM {The 1335---Blessed is he who comes to the 1335}. He cuts off the false prophets in the land of Israel who for APPEARANCES SAKE wear robes to deceive, and they will admit they are not prophets, else they will be slain. So there is a Turning back to God BEFORE the Anti-Christ shows up in Zechariah chapter 14. Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God. These above are the ones that Flee Judea for Petra/Jordan. Next comes the Anti-Christ !! Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. The above is the Anti-Christ coming against Jerusalem, sacking the city, and thus becoming THE BEAST. Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations,{Armageddon} as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. Jesus' Second Coming ABOVE: So as we see, Israel REPENTS in Zechariah 12:10, are Blessed in 13:1, 2/3 refuse to repent but 1/3 are tried and proven faithfull, they HEED Jesus/God and Flee Judea, then in Zechariah 14:1-2 the Anti-Christ and his minions Conquer Jerusalem, and thus slay the 2/3 who did not repent or FLEE Judea, then Jesus shows up on Mt. Zion and takes care of business, Amen.
  8. Thanks....Gotta catty mom to to doctor for check up or back pain, I forget which. Go read Rev. 12:15-17, and tell me who he Remnant is, read it VERY CAREFUL, LOL..........I think you will get it. The Remnant is ??????
  9. I was supposed to be editing my above post but instead I quoted it..........So Mispost was correct in that instance.
  10. Well for starters, you might want to reread my post, I say I hear from the Holy Spirit, but all my guidance comes from the Word of God as being my road map. I stated that on purpose, because God is not giving NEW DIRECTIONS via "written word" that comes to people. He nudges us in the Spirit forward via His Written Word. He doesn't dictate new things unto us that are exclusive unto "US ONLY" whenever you see that be very weary. Now things that have been locked up, have to start being revealed, thus some of those things of course are coming out fresh, but they must have a foundation in the word of God, which is why anything I do I lay the foundation via the word, not via revelation from God, because God only nudges us towards the truths that are in His word already. Whenever people like Joseph Smith {Mormons} start adding to the bible you know they are, IMHO, off the deep end. Any man who isn't hearing from the Holy Spirit doesn't understand the concept of Christianity, it's not an audible voice. As per one says this and another says this, that is what the Holy Spirit is for, to guide us into all truth. I can hear a person for 5 minutes and know if they are of the Holy Spirit or not, most of the times. I can read posts and tell if someone understands the things of God or are confused by Satan. It is what it is, I don't call them out, but I just wont reply much to them. But that is on us, to be able to understand the difference via the Spirit. I only lay my foundation via the Written Word, just like the 1260, 1290 and 1335. I didn't just guess on that, I laid it out via the bible, just because people can't see that, well I can't change and won't change where God leads me because others don't see things, it's obvious to me what it is, because its a rational path, nothing else I have ever seen on those numbers in Daniel 12 are even rational, they speak about going into the 1000 year reign, and that never made one bit of sense at all. Everything is finished when Jesus returns. Nope......................The Anti-Christ is RELEASED onto the world for 3.5 years. The Seal Judgments OVERLAP the Trumpet and Vial Judgments in that the Anti-Christ kills/conquers for 3.5 years, and God's Trumpet Judgments and Vial Judgments have SPECIFIC TARGETS and timetables. For instance the 1st Woe lasts for 5 months etc. etc. etc. The Seal Judgments are the Anti-Christ being given free reign, and God pelting mankind with supernatural Judgments, Jesus opens them all, thus they are all Gods Wrath, and the Seals are all opened in close proximity. The 1/4 of mankind represents how any people he kills, that is why it speaks of THE GRAVE, it's not about Land. Likewise during the Sixth Seal the Angelic Army slays 1/3 of all mankind. It's obvious what it means in spite of some peoples obfuscation. I don't buy into anything Joel Richardson says, Islam will be wiped off the face of the Map. She is the Largest part of the Harlot {ALL FALSE RELIGION} of Rev. 17 and the Kings on league with the Beast kill her off !! This coming Anti-Christ demands to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD, so the Islamic hordes will of course resist, they BOMB for their god now, what do you think they will do if they are mandated to worship a man ? The Anti-Christ is going to be WISE {Understanding DARK SENTENCES means he understands riddles/conundrums} and thus he knows the Muslims will never kowtow to these demands, so what is he going to do ? He is going to destroy them from the get go. Islam, one way or another is wiped off the face of the earth, there is no room for Allah anymore via the Anti-Christ. All Six of the Seals are basically opened at once, RELEASING the Anti-Christ to Go forth and Announcing God's Wrath is upon mankind. The 7th Seal is delayed to give the Jews time to get to their sage zone on Petra. I don't even worry about this, Jesus went to Heaven and offered the Sacrifice, came back for 40 days, then ascended to the throne where he resides today. The Seals will be opened at the Midway point of the Tribulation. We are shown about the Rapture in the bible, some get it, some don't or can't. The Christians all die, that is the Rapture. We are in Heaven for 7 years. That is why there is ONE WEEK left..............that is why the bible says Israel will be blind until the Gentiles time is fulfilled. God dealt with Israel, there was NO CHURCH, God then stops Israel's Judgment at 69 weeks and inserts the Church Age. Israel {Jacob's Troubles} has ONE WEEK left, and we don't understand the Church is TAKEN OUT with one week left ? Well, I see it, others seeing it or not is on them. But if I see fresh Crocodile droppings and a croc slide leading behind a rock, no one has to tell me where the Croc is at !! God thus shows the Church in Heaven on BOTH SIDES of the Seals.............telling us they are there for all 7 years !! That's the whole point. They are seen in Rev. 4, 5 and 7, IN HEAVEN, on each side of the Midway point or on each side of the Seals being opened.
  11. There is only so much one can say on an issue, then it just gets to be a repetitive sort of butting heads. I hear the Holy Spirit also, but the bible is the Word of God or God's ESSENCE, He gives us our roadmap via the bible. We are told plainly that the 70th week starts and that in the middle of the week is when all the action starts. It's pretty simple really, people tend to overthink and over complicate the timing because they think that Revelation has to be in order, well go read Daniel, it is not in Chronological Order either. There is no need for further "INSTRUCTION" when we already have instruction. Its clear everything starts in the Middle of the Week, God's Wrath starts in the Middle of the Week. Not at the Sixth Seal. It goes against everything God stands for to start something out of sync. The mistake that is made is not understanding the Seals RELEASE the Judgments, it's not like the First Seal is opened and everything the Anti-Christ does happens in an instant, the First Four Seals are a RELEASE POINT of what he is going to do, its like me opening the Gates for the Horses at the Kentucky Derby, its not telling us anything about the Race, only about what is being RELEASED. The Race has to happen to get the story In full. So the First Seal releases a Conquering Warrior, then he goes forth Conquering for 3.5 years until Jesus arrives !! It's not like the First Seal happens and we have to wait for it to end, then the Second Seal is opened. You see, that is why the Seals are different from the Trumpet Judgments, the Seal Judgments RELEASE the Anti-Christ to go forth sowing his wicked ways without a WITHHOLDER vIa the Holy Spirit stopping him. First Seal....................The Anti-Christ goes forth Conquering for 3.5 years until Jesus Returns. Second Seal.................The Anti-Christ takes peace from the earth for 3.5 years until Jesus Returns Third Seal...................The Anti-Christs wars bring starvation/famine to the earth, no doubt until Jesus Returns. Fourth Seal.................The Anti-Christ of course kills many, so Death and Hades/Grave are in abundance until Jesus Returns. Fifth Seal.....................The Deaths that result from the Anti-Christ tyrannical rule. Sixth Seal....................The Lord God Announces His Wrath is open mankind. I still think no one gets the facts here, all of the Seals are basically opened simultaneously, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing............No one has to wait on each one to come to pass, thus the Sixth Seal is basically at the Midway Point, as are the other 5 Seals that are opened. So the whole argument about the Sixth Seal is a moot point to start with. They are all opened at basically the same time on earth. Then the 7th Seal is opened only after the Jews have reached the safety of the Petra/Bozrah area. The Anti-Christ then goes Forth for 3.5 years...............God's Judgment on earth lasts 3.5 years. God gives mankind the ruler their hearts desired. Then God starts pelting the Earth with more Judgments.
  12. He's not on earth, Rev. 4 is about God the Father, Rev. 5 is about the Redeemer Jesus. Rev. 4 has the Four Covering Cherubim Angels, called Beasts. They praise God who is eternal. Then in Rev. 5 they sing Worthy is the Lamb. There wee no chapters and verses man put that together. Chapters 4 and 5 IMHO, go together, God the Father is praised and Jesus the Redeemer is praised. Jesus according to the PASSAGE is not in Heaven, NOE ON EARTH nor UNDER THE EARTH, thus hes a NOWHERE MAN. The facts are Jesus has been in Heaven before the Church Age ended, and chapter 3 ends the Church Age. Who ever is saying Jesus is not in Heaven during the Church Age is just way off kilter. Paul tells us Jesus is in Heaven offering a once and for all sacrifice for us. Rev. 2 and 3 represent the Church Age, so we know Jesus is in Heaven at that time, the Scriptures tell is he is.
  13. The Judgments are the Order of the Book of Revelation {BoR}. S after the Church Age {Rev. 2-3} we get the 70th week. In Rev. 4 and 5 we have the Church in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are opened, thus everything after Rev. 5 is the last half of the 70th week. Dan. 9:27 tells us the Little Horn comes forth at this exact time in the Middle of the Week !! So that is pretty much settled scriptures in my mind. Rev. 6 thus is the First Seal that releases the Anti-Christ who goes forth as a WHITE HORSE because he's a Conqueror. The Red Horse means he takes Peace the Black Horse means he brings Famine which wars tend to do, and of course the Pale Green horse stands for Death and the Grave. and seeing he kills 1.5 to 2 billion people that is an apt description. So the Seals Trumpets and Via are the order of the BoR. So chapter 6, 7, 8, 9, 15&16 is the order. Then comes chapters 20, 21 and 22, the Judgment Seat, the hereafter and the New Jerusalem. Rev. 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and 19 are all Parenthetical Chapters, or set-a-side chapters where things going on in hose chapters happen in chapters 6, 7, 8, 9, 15&16. Rev. 12, 13, 17 and 18 all start during Rev. ch. 6, Rev. 12 is the Anti-Christ doing the dragons dirty work chasing Israel into the Wilderness where they reside for 1260 days, just like Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. That is why Rev. 12:1-5 is mentioned, it gives up the PLAYERS, Rev. 12:1-5 has nothing to do with the End Time Prophecy. There is no such thing as a SIGN of the Stars, Rev. 15 also says there is a SIGN, it is not about some Evil Astrology sign, that is asinine thinking. Rev. 13 is a Beast ruling for 42 months or 1260 days. Rev. 17 is the Beast killing off ALL FALSE RELIGION via his 10 Kings {see Rev. 17:16}. E=Rev. 18 is the WHOLE WORLD {Babylon} being destroyed by the Seal Trumpet and Vial Judgments. Rev. 19 is about the Church in Heaven for 7 years and Rev. 14 is about the Three Harvests, or TWO, the Church is Harvested, the Israel and the Wicked are Harvested at the same time, at the end, via Armageddon/Second Coming. As per the Chart, the Beast comes forth after 3.5 years, the only thing going on in the first 3.5 years ON EARTH in Revelation is the Two-witnesses who show up 75 days before the Beast comes to power and DIE 75 days before the Beast dies.
  14. From the table, we can assume these passages are discussing the same spiritual deception that is initiated with the opening of the first seal. However, in English, the first seal (in Revelation) doesn’t appear to be a spiritual deception at all. One reason is there is a misconception about the translated words “conquering and to conquer.” The poor English translation leads one to imagine military action, but the actual Greek word that “conquering and to conquer” is based on is NIKAO which means to overcome as in “overcome evil with good,” or “I have overcome the world.” In the New Testament it always refers to a spiritual overcoming not a military one. Proper translation changes everything. The one who rides the white horse is attempting to overcome partly by “looking like Jesus.” That is why in Luke, Jesus says directly that this deceiver claims “I am He.” In Revelation, symbols are used to convey this thought. Both Jesus and this rider ride white horses (Jesus in Rev. 19:11). Both wear crowns, but Jesus’s crown is a kingly crown, this one is a victors crown. And, as we see, both are overcomers; one for good and one for evil. Who is it who attempts to look like Jesus and spiritually deceive his followers? The Antichrist and False Prophet, of course. That leaves the symbol of the “bow.” Many have theorized what this bow without arrows is all about. Some have claimed it might be missiles without warheads as in an illusion to Saddam Hussein-in other words symbolizing weapons that aren’t there. Most, however, claim it is an illusion to a false peace treaty. This later theory can actually be substantiated biblically. As we perform exegisis on a biblical symbol, the first use of that symbol in the bible is what the symbol means from that point on. This is called the law of primacy. The first use of “bow” is shocking: Genesis tells us that “bow” without arrows signifies a covenant. God’s covenant in Genesis 9:13 was a world wide peace covenant between our Lord and the inhabitants of the earth in that he would no longer flood the earth. In Rev. 6:2, the “bow” symbolizes a covenant that most likely will be the Covenant with the many- the peace treaty that initiates the 70th Week of Daniel! This is fairly direct evidence that the seals most likely opening during the 70th Week (upon the Covenant with the Many) not before. Going down the wrong road always leads one off course. The Rev. 6 events have nothing to do with Matthew 24, at least not until one gets to Matt. 24:15, anything before that is not about the End Times, and the clues tell us this, but it's hard to unregister things registered in the recesses of our minds. The clues tell us this, but people ignore what they don't want to see. For instance, Jesus tells the Disciples in verse 9 that they will be delivered up to be killed, yet you guys who believe these are the "LAST DAYS/Sorrows of Tribulation" have to discount that fact altogether because it doesn't jibe with the timing you are putting forth. "SORROWS/Birth pangs" birth something, they are not the "BABY" so the Sorrows are the start of the pangs, not the end result. So verse 8 can never be in the "End Times" either !! Thus verses 6 and 7 can't be end time, and especially when we understand verse 9 is about the Disciples, so nothing FITS except some old belief we refuse to examine thoroughly. The "False Prophets" in verse 11 are not THE FALSE PROPHET & FALSE CHRIST of Matt. 24:24, just like the fake christs of verse 5 is not about verse 24. They are mentioning three distinct time periods. Understanding these time periods is essential to understanding Matt. 24. This is why we get the false assumptions the Sals have been opened, people just can't get the facts straight, IMHO, this is how Satan attacks, via half truths. He loves to divide via deception. Matt. 24:23–26 indeed is the Rev. 13 Beast and False Prophet, but verses 4-5 ARE NOT, thus you are leading the masses {masses who believe this} down a wrong by mixing these two as one event, they ARE NOT, the Disciples get Martyred in verse 9 !! Why try to make verses 4 and 5 the end times when you know this fact ? Again, verses 6 and 7 have nothing to do with Rev. 6, or verses 3-4, its about "BIRTH PANGS" which come BEFORE THE BABY !! Verse 8 tells us that, yet you guys have verses 6 and 7 as end times. It just doesn't add up. Event 3 also doesn't add up, it is not verse 7, again, the BIRTH PANGS deliver the BABY. The AoD is not ONE EVENT per se, it's about the False Prophet placing an Image of the Beast in the Temple, that happens in Rev. 13, which happens before the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel at the 1260 the AoD happens 30 days before at the 1290. Matt. 24:9-14 have nothing to do with the 5th Seal. Event 6 is the only part of the chart that is 100 percent correct, The rest is just not true, all because it takes similar events and tries to force a timing that does not match. In Matt. 24 Jesus tells about a Temple that will be destroyed and a city that will be sacked. Thus when they ask Jesus the question of when will these things be, the first question he answers is about the Temple !! Thus the FALSE CHRISTS of verse 4 and 5 have ZERO to do with Matt. 24:24, it is a totally different time frame. This fulfills John 5:43, where Jesus told the Pharisees they would not accept him when he came in God's name, but they would accept another who came in their own name !! The Pharisees rightly saw the Scriptures pointed to Rome a the Fourth Beast, thus they tried to FORCE Messiah onto the scene, who they to this day see as a Political figure, they never saw the coming Messiah as the Son of God !! Do you guys realize that aspect ? That is why Judas wanted Jesus to FIGHT !! It is why Peter wanted to Fight, they were misinformed, Jesus had to reprogram them, my Kingdom is not of this world !! So the Pharisees put forth different "political messiahs" whom they thought would SAVE THEM as a great leader. So the verses 4 and 5 have nothing to do with Matt. 24:24, its about the fake christs put forth before the Temple is destroyed, then Jesus tells them, HEY, YOU {DISCIPLES} will hear of wars and rumours of war, but don't be TROUBLED {DISCIPLES} for these things have to come to pass, but the END IS NOT YET or is BY AND BY. He is telling the Disciples, this IS NOT the Zechariah 14 events, even though 70 AD will look like it, the END is by and by. So he just explained the Temples DESTRUCTION TIMING unto the Disciples !! Jesus then goes into the 2000 some odd year Church Age Period and gives an OVERALL PICTURE of this time period, it will be like BIRTH PANGS, things will get worse and worse until the Times of Troubles is upon the world. So their will be Wars via Nations vs. Nations and Kings vs. Kings, this REAFFIRMED to the Disciples that the 70 AD event WAS NOT THE END !! Right ? That was Jesus' reasoning here, here the ed will be BY AND BY.....See here, there will be more wars, many more wars before the end !! But you guys that believe this stuff is end times, just skop over all the real clues. Jesus give us a litany of clues then about the things that lead up to the End Times Troubles, the Wars, Pestilences, Famines, that get worse and worse. He then explains to the Disciples they will be murdered/MARTYRED, during this Church Age Period, MANY FALSE PROPHETS/TEACHERS/PREACHERS shall arise and we know many of these men, Robert Tilton, David Koresh, Jim Jones etc. etc. etc. AGAIN, this has nothing to do with Matt. 24:24, this is all about the Church Age Tribulation leading up to the "BABY/Time of Troubles like never before". Verses 12 and 13 are misconstrued. The Love of many will indeed wax cold, and colder, and colder. and colder, but we had bloodthirsty tyrant 1500 years ago, 1000 years ago and 500 years ago also, and those who ENDURE TILL THE END in verse 13 means unto the end of one's life !! Not until the End of time per se. Jesus is speaking about the Church Age that BIRTHS the Times of Troubles. Then in verse 14, Jesus then tells us, the Gospel must be Preached unto all the world, then the end will come, as in the Times of Troubles.............THEN we see the AoD spoken of in verse 15. So we have verses 4-6 about the Temple TIME PERIOD.............We have verses 7-14 about the Church Age Time Period..........then we have verses 15-31 about the 70th Week Time Period. But that chart is not a factual chart at all.
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