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  1. I don't believe in Evolution but I believe the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old and the First Day lasted 9.2 Billion years. God created the Animals over 100's of millions of years, which were His days. The Whole Earth probably meant a Region, just like Nebuchadnezzar was said to have conquered the WHOLE (Greek KOL) EARTH (Greek word ARA). Likewise the He Goat (Alexander the Great was said to have conquered all the Earth, and the Fourth Beast Rome was said to have conquered the Whole Earth. We all know that could not have happened. The Whole Earth means ALL THE KNOWN LAND..........
  2. THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED ME ONCE.........Can a person be a child of God just because they are a direct descendant of Abraham, but have rejected Christ? Isn't Israel and the church one and the same? MY ANSWER & EXEGESIS ON THE CHURCH AND ISRAEL No, but you can be a child of Abraham and. There is a Spiritual Abraham and Physical Abraham, both can be spoken of in various ways. So when Paul speaks of BLIND ISRAEL.........Is he speaking of Abraham's descendants or not ? HELLO.....You just inferred they aren't Israel, but Paul says they are Israel, they are JUST BLIND. Paul is trying to point something out by using a demonstration, and its not being picked up on by you guys. He is pointing out ISRAEL HAS BEEN BLINDED for an appointed time. Then he speaks about Israels true seed being of the BELIEVERS LIKENED UNTO ABRAHAM..............Well, OK, we understand this. But where does it say that Israel are not descendants of Abraham, the chosen people of God ? Oh, I get it, you think because Paul said not all Israel is Israel that they are not Gods chosen people....... BUT....... you missed something right in front of your eyes. Romans 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: (You see, they are still ISRAEL IN THE FLESH....This seems to not be understood.) 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises...We have always understood that NOT ALL JEWS GO TO HEAVEN. Why do you not understand that this is a forgone conclusion? Many of Israels Kings were wicked and are in hell or will be in hell shortly, SO....EL CORRECTO, not all who are born unto the SEED of Abraham are GODS PEOPLE, but those who live by FAITH and OBEY God are His true SEED. That has always been understood, BUT...........Israel is still the chosen people of God, and He will call them to repentance before the Day of the Lord, thus ALL ISRAEL will be Saved. This is EASILY PROVED. Follow me here for a brief time:As a matter of fact, there is an inference here in Romans 9 that seems to be missed by many. Paul is speaking of Issac, he says the ELDER shall serve the YOUNGER. Do you not get that in this very chapter that Paul is telling Israel that God is taking the mantle away from the ELDER (Israel) and making him sever the YOUNGER (GENTILE CHURCH)?Paul talks to the Romans, trying to tell them not to get the big head, thinking that they are special in comparison with the Jewish peoples, for it is Gods will being done, not that the GENTILES ARE SPECIAL. Then he points out what Hosea says in verse 25.....Romans 9:25 As he saith also in Osee (Hosea), I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her (Gentiles/Church) beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. DO YOU SEE THE ERROR OF YOUR THINKING BROTHER? Paul is calling the UNBELIEVING nation of Israel....ISRAEL in verse 31 !! It seems you are confused as to what Paul is speaking about here, he is speaking about the ELDER (Israel) serving the YOUNGER (Gentile/Church) because God elected them to serve Him, just like he elected Issac instead of Esau !! Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. (AGAIN, Paul calls them ISRAEL.) Then the next 10 or so verses speaks about Faith in Christ, then Paul says this in verse 12:Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.NO WHERE is Paul saying that the Jews and the Gentiles/Greeks are the same, only that they ALL COME TO GOD/CHRIST VIA FAITH in like manner, Paul still called Israel ISRAEL in verse one in this very Chapter. In the previous chapter Paul is pointing out that the ELDER will serve the YOUNGER. Israel's mantel is given to the Gentiles. The next few verses, Paul speaks about how hearing the word creates faith, and we have to have preachers sent to preach to hear, and that whosoever shall call upon the name of Jesus will be saved etc. etc. THEN Paul says this:Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. 20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.This is Paul, saying the MANTLE has been passed from Israel, to the Gentiles, the ELDER is serving the YOUNGER because God chose it that way, because He saw unbelief in the ELDER, and the YOUNGER BELIEVED God. Thus God will use them to PROVOKE ISRAEL....There it is again, Paul is differentiating the TWO right here. He is saying that God will use the Gentiles to provoke ISRAEL TO JEALOUSY !! There is a Gentile Church and an Israeli Nation. Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. { Not talking about the CHURCH HERE !! }2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot (know) ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. {God isn't speaking about the CHURCH HERE}5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. { Paul is speaking about TWO ENTITIES, the Gentile Church and ISRAEL !! }12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? (ISRAEL'S)13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? { Paul is still speaking about ISRAEL in a SINGULAR MANNER vs the Gentile World or Gentile Church (With a few Messianic Jews). Israel as a Nation, not Israel as the Church and the JEWS !!! You have to read man, and quit listening to MEN WHO DECEIVE, it is right here in scriptures, dig it out. }17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, IF THEY abide not still in unbelief, shall be GRAFTED IN: for God is able to graft them in again. {THEY = Israel}24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? {Paul is speaking of TWO ENTITIES again, the Church and Israel, the Olive Tree is their own Olive tree, the Gentiles are the Wild Olive tree that has been GRAFTED IN.}25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL THE fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Paul is saying here, hey Gentile/Roman Church, do not get the BIG HEAD thinking you are better than my Brother Jews, blindness IN PART has come upon them, only until the fullness of the GENTILES IS COME IN, or until the time of the YOUNGER (Gentile Church) is finished. There are some Messianic Jews and there will always be a few, thus Israel is blinded IN PART, but there will come a time, when the Gentile Church's mission is finished (RAPTURE), Then God WILL LIFT Israels blindness, and Elijah will turn Israel BACK TO GOD, Before the Day of the LORD !!! Amen. And ALL ISRAEL will be Saved. Meaning Israel as a Country comes back to God, and God blesses them and protects them, because they accept Jesus as THEIR MESSIAH !! 26 And so ALL ISRAEL shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: .....Jacob !!! NOT CHURCH.27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. { Notice the TWO ENTITIES AGAIN ? Its a trend man..............If you just take notice, its there. They are/ISRAEL/JACOB and FOR YOUR SAKE/The Gentile Church of Rome, its a plain as day man.}29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.Via the Gentile Churches MERCY, God will thus ultimately have Mercy upon Israel. They will remember the Church's sayings, and they will remember that Jesus was THE CHURCHES GOD, and that they said all of these things will come to pass, and when Paul's writings start coming to pass, and Revelation comes to pass, and when the Church is Raptured via 100's of millions of CHRISTIAN'S DYING AT ONCE, Israel/Jews will understand, and when Elijah comes back preaching this SAME GOSPEL, Israel will understand fully the error of their ways, it will HIT THEM LIKE A BRICK........BOOM, Jesus is our Messiah, the scales will be lifted off, and ALL ISRAEL (As a Nation) will be Saved. Or turn to God.We can't take verses out of context like There is no Gentile or Jew, that only means both come to God in the EXACT SAME WAY, Via Jesus Christs Blood............We see Paul speaking throughout Romans chapters 9-11 about the Gentile Church and Israel as SEPARATE ENTITIES continually, yet some try to force THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL false doctrine onto the world. It is a documented FALSEHOOD, and anyone that studies it will understand that, I call it Christians being lazy and not researching the subject in depth. The Church is not ISRAEL..........And Paul never says this, he is ONLY SHOWING how all men must come to God via FAITH ALONE, after all, it is by Faith in Christ Jesus that we are SAVED, not by Works, lest any man should boast. AMEN.
  3. 1. Rev. 16 says IT IS DONE meaning its over. like I have stated many times. 2. Rev. 17 happens beginning in the 6th Chapter, the Harlot or False Religion is killed off. (Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, {CHRISTIANITY Not False of course} will all be outlawed) and it happens when the Anti-Christ goes forth to conquer. 3. Rev. 18 is Babylon, the "Statue", the Governments of the world, the Nations that come against God and Israel, RECEIVING her richly deserved plagues. So Rev. 18 is happening from the Seals to the Seventh Vial. 4. Revelation 19 is predating Rev. 16 but ends when Rev. 16 ends. You agree that the Rapture is Pre-tribulation, so this is the Church in Heaven for the full Seven Years. We Marry the Lamb, then return and the Battle of Armageddon happens. Jesus gave us a clue about this in Matthew 24:28 when he said this: 28 "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." The Eagles are the Church in Rev. 19, we will be where the carcass is at, and that will be the Marriage Feast. Amen. The Supper happens after the Return. Rev. 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the FOWLS (Eagles) that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. I agree with your 2 Thess. 2 is a bad translation. Its rather obvious when studied in depth.
  4. Since Jesus is opening the Seals I see it as Sealed Up Decrees (Prophecies) that come to pass when Jesus opens each Seal. Its more like a predetermined story line that God/Jesus knows is going to happen, but they only come to pass when God/Jesus allows them to come to pass. In other words we understand the Anti-Christ is going to come forth/be released and destroy many, but only God knows when this will begin. Many will not understand they are in Gods Wrath until the 6th Seal opens and it finally hits them, because the 6th Seal is supernatural, and seals 1-4 are brought forth by War/men. (Even though Jesus allows it.) So Jesus opens Seal one and the Anti-Christ comes forth, 3 1/2 years after the Rapture. He conquers through peace. The Second Seal opens and Peace is TAKEN AWAY (Catch that?).....WAR. Then the 3rd Seal is opened and Famine/Judgment comes forth. The Fourth Seal comes forth and Death & Disease, which is the by product of war/famine/pestilence etc. So in essence all the Seals are basically a by product of the Anti-Christ coming forth and conquering. The 5th Seal is Jesus attesting to the Deaths by the Anti-Christ at this time, the Martyrs of the Tribulation, then the Six Seal kicks in, the Lambs Wrath grows in progression from here to the Seventh Vial.
  5. Not in my honest opinion. Apollyon is the 8th Beast who was over the yes he was over the 5 but also the Dreadful Rome Beast, so he was over the SIX...........Will be over the Seventh (Anti-Christ) and he is the 8th or the "General" so to speak over the Earthly Kingdoms. I do think he was locked in the pit when Israel ceased being a Nation, they were as Ezekiel said as "Dead Men's Bones" thus Apollyon the Destroyer was cast into the pit, and will be released when the LAST BEAST comes forth, to guide and assuage him at that time. Islam will be Destroyed by the Anti-Christ.
  6. Matthew 24 Revealed: Understanding The Timeline { Matthew 24:1-6 is about the Destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem } Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? The first question was about what Jesus had just said, the Temple being DESTROYED (When shall these things be?) The second question was what will be the Sign of your Coming. These are dealt with in order. Also Remember that false prophets and/or false chirsts are mentioned three times, in verse 5, 11 and 24 and they are THREE SEPARATE EVENTS. If Jesus is going to give them a sign/understanding of these events, wouldn't he walk them through the whole 2000 year period? I think he would, and clearly does. Lets go through a few of the verses to see why I believe as I do. And we know its a 2000 year period, its 2017 SMILE. Well Almost 2000. Onward...... Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. {{ Jesus here is warning the Disciples not to be deceived, it is well known that the Rabbis/Pharisees in order to put down the "Jesus movement" and because they thought the Roman occupation was the END TIMES or the Fourth Beast and thus they were expecting the "Little Horn" at any moment to come forth. Thus they were "Looking" for the Messiah to come forth and save them, so they put forth various Messiahs just before the Temple and Jerusalem's destruction, which was caused by their rebellion against Rome. Jesus is telling his Disciples not to fall for lies, many will come in my name, saying I am the Messiah, but they will not be me Returning, it is not that time he tells them, do not fall for the lies for the End is not yet. The end will be by and by. He was basically warning his Disciples not to come back to Jerusalem when he heard of these things, thinking it was him come again, like in Zechariah 14, because if they heard the rumors and came back to Jerusalem, no doubt they would be in the line of fire and probably killed, so his warning was to STAY AWAY. Don't buy the false stories of Christ is in Jerusalem Jesus here is informing his Disciples that they will hear of Wars and Rumors of wars, no doubt Jesus knew many of the Disciples would venture afar taking the Gospel unto all the world, thus they would not see this destruction of the Temple, some would, but many would just HEAR OF IT, Jesus tells them, THIS IS NOT THE END !! Meaning that even though the Pharisees and Rabbis were looking for the Messiah to Save them, (from Rome) this was not the time of Jesus' Second Coming, thus he says, the END IS NOT YET !! }} 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. {{ Then Jesus seems to shift past the lives of the Disciples and into a futuristic, 2000 year period of time. He speaks about Nations against Nations, Kingdoms against Kingdoms, famines, pestilences and earthquakes, and he says these are the Beginnings of Sorrows !! The Greek word used for sorrows implies BIRTH PANGS, this is Jesus telling the Disciples that all of these things Must happen first, and that will be the Sign (BIRTH PANG) that the end is Near. The next few verses are also covering the full 2000 year period, speaking at times about the Disciples, and at other times about the whole 2000 year period, until the Rapture. }} Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. {{ I think this is mainly Jesus telling his Disciples their coming fate. Many people would betray them, and most all of the Disciples would become Martyrs, save John and a couple of others. They don't kill you if they don't hate you right? And no doubt, many betrayed them, like Judas betrayed Jesus. }} 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. {{ I think this is speaking of the overall period from Jesus or 70 AD, until the Rapture. Jesus throws this in to let everyone know, there will be many false prophets (Jonestown, and cults like it have risen over the 2000 year period since Jesus' death) and because of Sin or the acceptance thereof, (at the End Times or Birth Pangs) the love of Many shall wax Cold.....Abortion, Murder, Homosexuality being pushed as normal etc. Then Jesus says, BUT..... out of all of these things I have described unto you all, (Matthew 24:7-13) he that endures all things that might come upon him, he that KEEPS THE FAITH until the End (of his life) the same shall be SAVED. In other words if we turn from God/Jesus and return unto the world, we will be Cast out of Jesus' mouth as Lukewarm. We must overcome Satan by the Blood of the Lamb, we can not turn back to living a sinful life, we must endure all of our temptations. It doesn't mean we will not Sin..........It just means we can not turn back unto a sinful lifestyle. WE MUST ENDURE IN CHRIST until the end. We are to run the Marathon. Amen }} This above is Jesus answering their questions, "When shall these things be"? He walks them through the full 2000 year period between when he was alive, until he calls the Church home at the Rapture. The destruction of the Temple is spoken of but Jesus says, the end is not yet !! Then Jesus finishes the 2000 panoramic view. The Rapture scriptures of Matthew 24:36-51 should actually be next, verses 36-51 should come after verse 13 or 14. But Mathew did not have a clue about the Rapture, so he (correctly) placed it with the Second Coming verses 27-31, at least in his thinking it was correct. On to the 70th Week of Daniel now. The 3 1/2 years of Peace/Security followed by the 3 1/2 years of Gods Wrath. The Rapture happens after verse 13 or 14. In my honest opinion Matthew 24:36-51, belongs right here. Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, {whoso readeth, let him understand} 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: {{ Verse 14 kind of belongs with verses 7-13, but it can also go on this side of the 2000 year divide. It straddles the gap so to speak. The Gospel must be preached unto all the World, then the END WILL COME !! This is very clear, once the Church has preached the Gospel unto all the world for a witness to Jesus' saving Grace, then and only then can the End Times come upon us. Jesus then goes on to tell us/disciples about this End Time Period. He warns the Jewish peoples that when they see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, they should Flee Jerusalem. THIS IS AN END TIME EVENT.........There is no doubt about that at all. Now Jesus must answer the next questions, what will be the Sign of thy coming, and what will be the end (of the age) of time. }} Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, (THE Anti-Christ and False Prophet here) and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. {{ Jesus is telling his Disciples, and thus warning the Jewish peoples of the coming Tribulation Period what to look for. He is warning them not to fall for the Anti-Christ and False Prophets tricks when they try to entice Israel to come out of their safe space, where God says in Revelation 12 that he will protect them for 1260 days, from the Anti-Christ/Dragon (Satan). Israel have accepted Jesus as their Messiah by this time. (Malachi 4:5-6) So of course the Anti-Christ and False Prophet wants to deceive them into thinking Jesus has RETURNED (because they want to kill them, of course) and is in the Desert or Secret Chambers !! But Jesus says do not fall for their lies, for I will not be in the Desert or in a Secret Chambers.... for I will be coming from the Eastern Skies for all to see. Amen }} Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn (Vials 6 & 7), and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. {{ So, Jesus tells the Jewish peoples the Signs of his Coming and when the end shall be. This is the End of the Age, no doubt. IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days (Troubles/Jacobs Trouble), these signs will be in the sky and then you will see me coming in the clouds from the East, and all the tribes and nations will see the Glory of my Coming. And the Angels will gather THE ELECT from the Four Corners of Heaven, [where the Church has been for SEVEN YEARS, Marrying the Lamb] and we will Return on White Horses with Jesus Christ just as Rev. 19 says. Amen. }} Now Jesus has covered the largest base of the Jewish peoples because 85-95 percent of them will not receive the Lord Jesus Christ before the Rapture that Paul has spoken about in many places, including 1 Corinthians 15. So now Jesus must cover the few Messianic Jews plight. What will happen to them at the End Times? Well they will be Raptured, along with all the dead in Christ, and those of us who are alive when Jesus calls us home to Heaven, so we can Marry the Lamb (Rev. 19) and then return with him to destroy the Anti-Christ and his Minions. So Matthew 36-51 tells about the coming Rapture of the Church, but I will only post verses 38-42, for it emphasizes everything that needs to be said, Jesus tells the Messianic Jews about their destiny : (This should come just after Matthew 24:13-14) Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. {{ This of course happens right before the Tribulation, or Jacobs Troubles. If this actually happened during the Tribulation period would they be Drinking/Marrying and having a grand ole time? No, of course not, that makes no sense, the Jewish nation will be in hiding in the Wilderness, (Rev. 12) and the wicked men of earth will be dodging the plagues of Gods Wrath, there will be no one who will be having fun just before Jesus' SECOND COMING, that I can assure you !! So this is the Rapture here, we are expectant, but Surprised when Jesus Returns. The World during Gods Wrath will not be surprised, the 6th Seal is the Gathering of nations unto Meggido for Armageddon, so does anyone really think that Jesus showing up on The Mt. of Olives at Vial number 7 is going to be a surprise? NO.....The Anti-Christ has exactly 42 Months to rule. }} Jesus then illustrates what can only be the Rapture, it can not be the Second Coming. He says Two will be in the field and One will be taken and the other shall be left [Behind]. The same thing is spoken about with the women grinding at the mill, One will be taken and One left. Then Jesus says WATCH, for you know not what hour when your Lord comes. Just like the Bride knew not what hour the Bridegroom was to come !! We know when Jesus' Second Coming will be. Exactly 42 Months after the Anti-Christ commits the Abomination of Desolation, AND.......everyone on earth will all see Jesus (with us at his side) splitting the Eastern skies, no one will be left behind, believe me, the Wicked will be DESTROYED, not left behind. Amen. Matthew 24:1-6 is the Destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Matthew 24:7-13 is the 2000 year period from 70 AD to the Rapture. Matthew 24:36-51 is the Rapture/Matthew thought it should be with the Second Coming. Matthew 24:15-28 is the Abomination/Time of Troubles/False Prophet and Anti-Christ time. Matthew 24:29-31 is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The Church will come back from Heaven with Jesus Christ on White Horses (Rev. 19) Amen, Glory to God. Matthew 24:32-35 is the Parable of the "FIG TREE". It basically is saying when the Fig Tree is ripe you know that Summer is NEAR and Likewise, when you SEE ALL OF THESE SIGNS, My Coming will be Near. The Sign of Jesus Second Coming will.......NOT be when you see the Temples/Jerusalem's Destruction, NOT when you see the Kingdoms vs. Kingdoms or pestilences, NOT be when the Gospel is Preached unto all the World, NOT be when the Abomination of Desolation happens, NOT be when you see the TROUBLES OF JACOB, it will NOT be when you see the false christ and false prophet, it will NOT be when you see the Sun turn dark, the moon turn red or the stars falling from the skies. But the Second Coming will only happen when you see ALL OF THESE SIGNS COME TO PASS !! Basically this is a multi faceted prophecy, that takes deep thinking and revelation from God to understand via much prayer.
  7. ; A Semi colon is used.........; AND it it ten horns. the punctuation mark (;) used to indicate a major division in a sentence where a more distinct separation is felt between clauses or items on a list than is indicated by a comma, as between the two clauses of a compound sentence. The 2000 year gap happens AT THE SEMI COLON. The 10 Horns arise with the Little Horn, 2000 years later. Clearly the Fourth Beast and the Little Horn are two different Beats. Daniel 2 = Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and he 10 Toes mixed with Demonic Beings (Clay) Anti-Christ arises with them. The Beasts of Daniel are the Same Five. Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the Little Horn and 10 Kings 2000 years later. The Clay represents the WEAK BASE of Men building their Kingdoms upon Satan and his ways. Jesus is the Rock of our Foundation. The rock in Daniel 2 is cut out of the Mountain and SMASHES the Statue (World Governance under Satan) and the Base is weak and can not stand....Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Building a Kingdom on Satan's rule is like building a house on sand, it will not stand. Rome is the Kingdom that's different from all the rest, as I showed in verse 23, the Beast in 24, the Little Horn is different from THE FIRST..............Not all the rest. People way over-complicate that which God has made simple unto us, IMHO. The Scriptures don'y say that, they just REVEAL A VISION of Four Great Beasts coming out of the Sea. The Four Beasts are Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome. Overthinking it is not going to change it, God is not trying to confuse is. These FOUR MAJOR BEASTS Conquered Israel. Its the Fourth Beast AND 10 Horns. Here is you 2000 year gap. Rome didn't arise via Greece. The Little Horn is born in Greece and comes to power via the E.U.
  8. Its the Second Coming. Jesus is everywhere all the time, wherever two or more are gathered in my name I will be in midst of them. Jesus comes and calls us home to be with him. Rev. 19 tells us this, all we have to do is read it, we marry the lamb, then come back with him, while the Anti-Christ is on earth. The Second Coming is a misnomer anyway. Jesus came back may time to greet the Disciples after he went to be with the Father in Heaven. Well we do go to Heaven and marry the Lamb at this time. We wouldn't do that if we were not Judged as Righteous in the Blood of the Lamb. The point is the Trumpet Judgments in Revelation has nothing to do with the Church but is Wrath designed against the World and its inhabitants. Once again, the Rapture has already happened. The Trumpet in Revelation has nothing to do with the Rapture or the Second coming, Jesus returns at the Seventh Vial. The Saints who died will be rewarded and Judged right away, they the Rev. 20:4 Judgment seats to Judge the Beheaded. The rest have t wait a 1000 years. Rev. is not in chronological order.The Seventh Trump only brings forth the Seven Vials of Gods Judgment. In my other post I placed all three passages together, its clear that the Tribulation Saints are what is being spoken of, at least to me. The Two Witnesses die at the end of the 2nd Woe, which is the 6th Trumpet, the the Seventh Trumpet sounds which is the 3rd Woe.
  9. (a) is the Rapture and has nothing to do with the Second Coming. (b) Is a Trumpet of Wrath. Its not the Trumpet we are called home to, that is basically Jesus' voice being described as a Trumpet. John wrote Revelation well after Paul wrote that. Also the LAST TRUMP is speaking of the Feast of Trumps, which announces Pentecost has Ended and the Feast of Atonement is near....Thus the Church is Raptured (Church Age/Pentecost) and Israel REPENTS or ATONES like the 70th Week prophecy says they must do before the 70th Week is fulfilled. (c) I covered this.......
  10. There's a big gap between the First Four Beasts and the Little Horn that arises 2000 years later. It seems you just don't accept the Little Horn as a Beast or the End Time Beast, but you are pretty spot on on everything else, besides the Babylon is not the Lion part. Medo-Persia is described twice as ONE Animal, a Bear and as a Ram. I don't know/understand why you think one of the Kingdoms is a Lion, if you could fill me in I might could see your logic, even if we are right or wrong on any subject we have to have logic. But there is a big Gap, and there is also 5 Beasts Mentioned in Daniel 7, ones a MAN. As per him saying that the Fourth Beast was different from the others.....It seems he missed the Daniel 7:3 verse that says they were all different from each other.....Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. So that goes without saying, all of the Beasts were different from each other, naturally. If you want to know why people believe these are all End Time Beasts look no further then their misunderstanding of who the Fourth Beast is. They think it is an End Time Beast because they do not understand the End Time Beast is the Little Horn that arises out of the Fourth Beast 2000 years later. This error makes them believe the Fourth Beast is End Time, and thus the others must be also. This is why its very important to understand that the Fourth Beast (Rome) and the Little Horn (Anti-Christ) are two separate Beasts and I will give a clue on that later on. Your overall thinking/hunch on this seems to be correct, if they all arose together how could they be different !! Why do you think Rome came out of the Leopard when Rome Conquered the Leopard or Greece? Is it because you see the Fourth Beast as an End Time Beast? It isn't, the Little Horn is the End Time Beast spoken of here. That's why we are given clues a few times here in Daniel 7 and in Rev. 13 that this Beast has Eyes, speaks like a MAN, his number is that of a MAN an he blasphemes God and demands to be worshiped as God. The Seven Headed Beast is described as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and of course the Little Horn/Beast or Anti-Christ. The Leopard, Bear and Lion were added here to show us this is a list of Kingdom Beasts that have come against Israels people to try and destroy them throughout the ages. Israel was no more after Rome destroyed and dispersed her around the world, thus Ezekiel's prophecy came true, Israel was as Dead Men's Bones until 1948, then those Bones of course came alive again, and now that Israel is alive, we can have a Beast. This is why the British Empire or the Ottoman Empires are not BEASTS, Israel was as Dead Mn's Bones, they were not a Nation. The Leopard was indeed Greece/Alexander the Great. Now I think I see why you want to say Media was the Lion, you seem to want Medo-Persia to be modern day Islam, but all of the other BEASTS are powerless and have lost their Dominion forever. The Last Beast is the Little Horn that arises out of Europe and is born in Greece, he is an Atheist. HERE'S THE HUGE CLUE...... Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth (ROME), which shall be diverse from all kingdoms (1st, 2nd and 3rd), and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER (Little Horn) shall rise after them; and he shall be DIVERSE FROM THE FIRST (Meaning Different from the First Beast of Rome/Europe), and he shall subdue three kings. Notice verse 23 says the Fourth Beast shall be Diverse from ALL THE BEASTS, the Lion, Bear and Leopard. Then in Verse 24 we see that it says the Little Horn shall be DIVERSE FROM THE FIRST !!!! Huge Clue there..........the Fourth Kingdom and the Little Horn are different Beasts and the Little Horn will be different from the Rome Beast. THE FIRST, the Second comes out of his Head 2000 years later, or out of Europe. Another mistake the people who believe in Four End Time Beasts make is they misconstrue these two verses in Daniel chapter 7. Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. They see all the BEASTS as End Time because of verse 12, which doesn't mean what they think it means. They think since the (FOURTH BEAST AS THEY SEE IT is destroyed here and the other Beasts lives were prolonged, that they all must be End Time Beasts).......When in reality It's really the Little Horn and he is cast into hell, just like in Rev. 19:20. The point Daniel is making is this Last Beast will be cast straight into hell, because he is a MAN........................BUT, the other Four Beasts (Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome) will have their Dominions taken away, but will still be around for a while after they lose their powers. Babylon was the home of Alexander the Great when he died. Persia is still around (Iran) and of course Rome and Greece are around, but pretty much toothless tigers so to speak. But when the Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horn is destroyed, he will be cast straight into hell. So this is not saying the other Four Beasts lives are prolonged after the Anti-Christ dies, its just them misconstruing/misunderstanding the scriptures.
  11. Like minds think alike.....
  12. Rev. 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. WHO ARE THE DEAD SPOKEN OF IN REVELATION 11:18? Look Below !! Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Notice in Rev. 11:18 that the DEAD that will be judged is only the Martyrs who died during the Tribulation period. NOT ALL THE DEAD. (See Rev. 20:4) And the wicked that is spoken of will be Destroyed or killed. The Second Resurrection will be in 1000 years, when the Wicked will be Judged. Amen. The First Resurrection is the Rapture of the dead Saints, those Alive when he calls us home, and those who came to Christ after the Rapture or Resisted unto death the Mark of the Beast ( Which means they chose Christ over Satan/Beast/Anti-Christ OF COURSE. ) Now in Rev. 20:4 we see that the BEHEADED (Martyrs) are the ones being JUDGED, the ones that did not take the Mark of the Beast. They (the Martyrs of Tribulation) shall reign with Christ a 1000 years. They were not in Heaven (Rev. 19) marrying the Lamb, of course. So they need to be Judged now. The Second Resurrection or the Judgment of the Evil will be brought to pass in 1000 years. Revelation 6:9 of course is the Martyred Saints under the Alter, they are murdered during the Tribulation, they want vengeance on those people ON EARTH !! As in present tense, at that time, and are told by Jesus they MUST WAIT until their fellow brothers are killed also, or basically until the Anti-Christs 42 Month reign is over. Notice the 5th Seal comes after the Four Horses or the First Four Seals where the Anti-Christ comes forth and kills 1.5 to 2 Billion people. Most are Muslims/Hindus etc. etc. because the Church has been Raptured, but many are those that resist and except Christ after the Rapture, they are the REMNANT (Rev. 12:17) of the Church. Israel is protected in the Wilderness, at least the ones who heeded Jesus' words to Flee are. I explained it as best I can. God Bless
  13. I see the Judgment Seat set up to judge those Martyred during the Tribulation for Christ's name, these are the Saints under the Alter in the 5th Seal,not the Church who married the Lamb in Rev. 19 and came back with Jesus just as the Scriptures say. These will reign with Christ for a 1000 years. The FIRST RESURRECTION is all that are in Christ Jesus, the Dead that arise at the Rapture, those who were alive that got Raptured, and the Martyrs of the Tribulation. This is about some Warrior that that went to Edom/ the city of Bozrah and conquered it it seems to me. If It was a type then it signifies a DEEP FACT that is shown throughout scriptures that no one disputes. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord. We understand that Jesus destroys the Beast/Anti-Christ, his kings and all the Wicked "WITHOUT HAND" which means by the Holy Spirit. None helps the Lord, he doesn't need it. Over and over we are told the Wicked are destroyed Without Hand, by the Glory of His coming, by the Sword of his Mouth. (Holy Spirit). We know whose vengeance it is and who destroys the Wicked. He will come with his angels at the Rapture I assume, and with the Church and his Angels at the Second Coming. The Marriage Feast in Revelation 19 suggest the culmination of the Wedding. What do you think Matthew 24::27 really means? 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. The Carcase scripture in Matthew 28 is in reference to where the Marriage supper will be when Jesus and the Church comes back, and the Holy Spirit destroys the Wicked. Of course we get rewarded after the Judgment Seats are set up and the FIRST RESURRECTION is fully over, why would Jesus Reward anyone before the First Resurrection was fully over? Again, no one denies the Angels come with Christ. We see that in Scriptures, and we see the Church comes back with Jesus also in Rev. 19 and the Elect are gathered from the Four Corners of HEAVEN in Matthew 24:31. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive. If you read an article that tells you all of the Players of an NBA team are going to be at a parade on July 2nd in downtown San Francisco in one Newspaper, then read that the Team Management, Coaches and owners will be at the parade in another Newspaper, neither Newspaper is saying the other group is not coming, but by putting both Newspapers together we can understand that BOTH the Players and the Management/Owners/Coaches are going to show up. LIKEWISE, both the Angels and the Church is coming with Jesus Christ SEE REVELATION 19..........By the way the Angels coming with Jesus seems to Contradict the Isaiah chapter 63 passage !! Of course if we put this together, we understand the Thessalonians had been told they were In the Day of the Lords Vengeance, see chapter 2. Paul is telling them you are not in Gods Wrath, the Tribulation you face will be repaid by God and his Angels will be with Him. Of Course the Church will be with Jesus also, but the Thessalonians was thinking they were in the Tribulation/Day of the Lord, so Paul telling them that wasn't exactly something that would reassure them, what hey needed to hear Paul told them in 2 Thessalonians 2, that they would not go through the Day of the Lord, that instead they would be Gathered unto Christ, they would DEPART then the Anti-Christ would be revealed.
  14. They hear these people preach these theories of all kind of off centered doctrine, it sounds good. Then they try to fit scriptures to their beliefs. You have to go in to all of your research/SEARCHING GOD OUT, by having a heart and mind that says, show me God, your ways, your ideas, your understandings. And God will teach you. Too many people nowadays get seduced by doctrines of men, and then all of scriptures they read they have to twist and mold to their beliefs. When a Christian of over 30 years tries to warn them, that's not the way, their pride kicks in, they can't accept any advice it seems, at least that's what I discover on the Message boards and on Disqus. At Church they want to soak up the information. They get taught that the Rapture had its origins in the 1800's, which is nonsense of course, and no matter how many facts you lay out they aren't hearing it. "We have to be tested and earn our way to Heaven they say." Then they say but your "MENTORS" are the Left Behind Guys.......I never read one of their books or watched a movie, I never worried about when the Rapture was for 25 years, I decided one day to investigate, with a blank mind because it seemed the Church had a great divide (a least 20 percent) and the post side had many valid points. So I went forth with no preference, and the Scripture pointed me to a Rapture in MULTIPLE WAYS, but the #1 Clincher was Rev. 19. We can not be in Heaven, Marry the Lamb, and Return with Jesus Christ where the Anti-Christ, his Kings and their Armies await us, without a Rapture. Its just impossible. From that point on I then proceeded to find out why the jargon the post-tribbers had seemed so correct to many was in fact off-centered or just plain WRONG. What I found out was pretty much everyone of their arguments either twisted or misconstrued a verse/passage or they just misunderstood the passage, which had been passed down by the "TEACHERS" of this doctrines. Things like IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION, had been looked at wrong, see Rev. 19, of course Jesus comes back Immediately after the Tribulation, BUT with the Church in tow, just like Rev. 19 says. But they are not going to look at Rev. 19 like I did and see that God has given us the proper tools to understand what happens, they already have their answers. 1 Corinthians 15.......2 Thess. 2.........Matthew 24 and we have many other clues. But we have to go into anything with God with a blank mind, He will lead us the in the right direction.
  15. He's actually praising an Atheist. I just find that odd. I seem to be running into a lot of young Christians who just refuse to hear anything that is being spoken to them. I have been down that road many years ago, trying to fit scriptures to preconceived ideas just doesn't work. Also many that I meet nowadays seem change to whatever bible helps their argument at that given moment in time, I call it wordsmithing or bible shopping. They place way to much emphasis on singular words and don't seem to understand the "Here a little, there a little" principle of bible study. 100's of years of research and study is null and void because....................