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  1. Revelation Man

    REVELATION 8: 6-7

    Babylon is the Whole World, I know its not mentioned here, but when you get to Rev. 18 and see the COMMERCE DESTROYED we need to keep this in mind. All of the Plagues are meant for the whole of mankind. Thus in Rev. 18 God tells Israel to "Come out of her my people, lest you partake in her Plagues" and we also see in Rev. 7 that the 144,000 (ALL ISRAEL) are protected (SEALED) from the coming Trumpet Judgments. This is nothing more than all Jews that turn to Christ (about 2 Million or 1/3 of 6 Million) the 144,000 is a Metaphor, 12 being Fullness thus 12 x 12 x 12 = ALL ISRAEL, not every Jew, but Israel as a nation/seed are saved, just like God promised Abraham, he would have a perpetual see forever. So the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Plagues are all meant for the WHOLE WORLD, not Israel per se.
  2. Revelation Man

    Roman verses disputed

    Romans is of course to the Church in Rome or a Gentile Church. If you follow all three chapters you cited there is a theme. Paul is basically telling the Romans not to turn from their "Faith like the Jewish people did" else they will be cut off also in like manner. In Rom. 9 he says not everyone of Abraham is of God, it takes Faith to be of God the way Abraham believed. Those of the Flesh are of the Flesh. God chooses as he wills, God has chosen the Gentiles to take His Gospel unto the world just like He chose Jacob over Esau, the Elder (Israel/Jews) shall serve the Younger (Church) just like Esau served Jacob. For God is the potter, and that which He creates as He spins is up to Him, with all knowledge, of all things, God knows exactly what Hes doing. Then Paul asks the question, should the Gentiles receive Righteousness/Salvation that sought it not, but Israel/Jews who sought after Righteousness/Law not receive it? WHY? ...Because they didn't seek it by Faith !! But by works of the Law !! Then as we get into Rom. ch. 10 we see Paul is telling the Romans why the Jews fell, they turned unto the Law over God. Paul says if you believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth, that you will be saved. Then he says there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile), but that doesn't mean there aren't Jews and Gentiles per se, its speaking as per THE WAY WE COME UNTO Salvation !! We must all come via Faith, be we Jew or Greek, then he says, but Israel knew this day was coming via the scriptures, that God would chose another peoples to provoke them unto anger. And Israel will be blinded until God so chooses to give them their sight back. As we move into Rom. ch. 11 Paul then asks, "Has God forsaken Israel?" Then he says NO....God forbid. For I am a Jew myself !! Then he says God has given them a spirit of slumber that they should not see, until the time of the Gentiles come full (RAPTURE), then Paul says this BELOW: Rom. 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: So ALL Israel is saved, not every Jew.......but every Jew during the 70th Week who REPENTS and BELIEVES on Jesus Christ, thus we know via Zechariah 13 that 1/3 of the Jews repent and turn to Jesus and 2/3 perish. But ALL Israel are those that BELIEVE !! Like Abraham Believed. Romans chapters 9-11 is an Epistle/Letter unto the Romans, juxtaposing the Jews failings and how if they do not remain in the FAITH that they will also FALL or be CUT OFF from the Olive Tree of Gods Family. So it is unto the Romans but its about the Jews failings, but it in NO WISE states the Jews & Greeks (Gentiles) are one and the same, it only states that we all must come unto Christ Jesus/God in LIKE MANNER............By Faith Alone !! Amen. Thus we are all the same as per the REQUIREMENTS to become a family member of God.......We must BELIEVE in our hearts and.......13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved........CALL UPON HIS NAME, Amen.
  3. Revelation Man

    The 7 days of Creation - the 7,000 Years with God - The Days with the Lord

    The question, which was asked in a Quora question, to which I answered, is in no way theoretical in nature. The question lays no claim, it just states what all Scientists believe in juxtaposition vs. what many Christians might believe. My beef with the question is many Christians don't believe in the Young Earth, but the question might lead people to think most Christians think this way. No one cares about old knowledge, all we need to know now is the Universe age can be measured. I am not worried about the past. We thought the world was flat once also, no one cares !! The Universe is 13.7 Billion years old. I don't take the Young art people serious at all. That would be the 6000 year old men then, because its SCI-FI. I can already tell this is going to be difficult, you quoting scriptures doesn't mean you are right about anything per se. Meanwhile I have been preaching over 30 years and since I am called unto Prophecy in general I probably know more about Revelation and Daniel than anyone you ever met and I get this via the Holy Spirit, so YES...........I understand where knowledge comes from, so we use Prayer and we STUDY........and God also wants us to use logic. Like don't cross a road when a car is coming !! You know, it still works. God doesn't have to reveal everything unto us, it SIMPLE LOGIC that if we see light from a Start billions of light years away, then the Universe has to be Billions of years old, but YOU and others try and IRREGULAR LOGIC that makes no sense, because it doesn't fit. Then you will just say but God just made it look that way so we would think its that old, but its not really that old, without offering any common sense truth !! Then you guys say, well God just changed the Laws of Nature to speed up creation........Mmmm WHY? God creates the Universe and lives in the finished product ALL AT THE SAME TIME !! Why would God need to HURRY UP CREATION ? He lives in all times at once. God doesn't need to make ANYTHING APPEAR OLD, that is a laughable argument with no sound logic behind it at all, its wishful thinking. The facts are the Universes is 13.7 billion years old and the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The Universe is the universe, God lives outside the Universe, so it not a difficult question at all. You need to study how Galaxies are created.......a Core of gases create a Galaxy, thus the Sun (ball of gas) comes first, followed by the Planets. Its MAPPED OUT.........Look at the picture I provided, that is like RADAR...Do you not understand that? I don't need to " DEFINE UNIVERSE" it is what it is. You have yet to use any reasoning, its just mumbling brother. What you are saying is based on ZERO INFORMATION. Period. Its called MEASURING VIA STUDY. Of course we know how far things are away and thus how long it takes light to travel. Just because so say different doesn't sway me in ANY WISE Brother. Most who say the Earth is 6000 years old also think the Universe is 6000 years old. Thus that is why they asked the question like that. I have no clue what you think, but I know its wrong.........Earth = 4.5 Billion years old........Universe = 13.7 Billion years old. I have been preaching 30 years, I know what it says brother. The Sun is not created after the earth nor can it be. Day 4 SET the Seasons. The Moon and Earth CLASHED and the Earth gained matter and the moon lost matter, but the closeness of the moon makes our seasons normal, without the moon our seasons and weather would be crazy wicked. No, you don't know the Word not what God relayed in the bible. You think its a 24 hour day and it was not. It can be used for MANY THINGS as I stated, but you supposedly KNOW BETTER, but you don't, because the earth is not 6000 years old. It takes the crust of a planet many, many thousands of years to cool down before plants can even grow on the surface, again, you think God changed the LAWS OF NATURE to create the universe/Earth, when God lives in all time at once, so why would he have to ? He wouldn't, its just people who can't understand what Gd says in Genesis. You are leading people down the Wrong road with the 6000 year old earth tat no one believes. But just because you are deceived, doesn't mean I am going to attack your Salvation. I will leave that to you...........its not my bag. Yea, but they couldn't explain unto you how old the Universe and Earth was could they ? Because you didn't get it !! Because I said it mattered in my Blog !! If you don't get the Juxtaposition, that's on you. Evidently not because you think the earth is 6000 years old. When you get to Heaven, then you will learn what I stated is correct and what you believed was incorrect. No proof, you just want to believe it. No it means "TO BE HOT" I am not a liar my friend, RESEARCH IT.........LOOK IT UP......I did, but yet you INSIST YOU KNOW, even though I know you are just talking, because I put the research in, you don't it seems. #3117 יוֹם yowm {yome} from an unused root meaning to be hot; TWOT - 852; n m —Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) ===================================================================================================== 1) day, time, year 1a) day (as opposed to night) 1b) day (24 hour period) 1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1 1b2) as a division of time 1b2a) a working day, a day's journey 1c) days, lifetime (pl.) 1d) time, period (general) 1e) year 1f) temporal references 1f1) today 1f2) yesterday 1f3) tomorrow —Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon) ===================================================================================================== From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially):—age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger. —Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament) ======================================================================================================== So you say it doesn't mean "TO BE HOT" but it does mean TO BE HOT. Anything I say, I can prove because I do my work, I am not just GUESSING !! Some people think that God created the first 5 Books Himself, some people think Moses wrote them as dictated by the Holy Spirit. Same thing either way. That's just wrong, as I showed above brother. I don't think you will ever understand what I stated. No use even going there, its obvious you don't get it. All this other stuff is just ramblings to me. If you don't get it, just skip it brother, it will save us both time. Look above to all YOWM can mean as CITED..........Tell me again now.........it does't say period of time? Ohhh, it does say that doesn't it ? 1d) time, period (general).......1b2) as a division of time.........So there you go FROM ABOVE from the —Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon). Well I usually put my opinion in MY BLOGS. At this point of the blog MY OPINION matters a whole lot because the FIRST DAY comes before we see and LAND (EARTH) or a SKY (FIRMAMENT). The earth was VOID and without FORM yet you think the first DAY was a 24 hour day even though the Sun and Earth were not formed yet. The Sun & Earth were formed on the 2nd Day. Thus MY OPINION needed to be stated !! Because I bet you think the Earth and Sun were created on the First Day !! And that would be in error. So MY OPINION was very important to my blog !! Just admit you don't get it, stop answering things you can't understand brother. If you study it like I did you might get it, but I have seen it before, men with preconceived ideas who have blinders on. Be that as it may. Your uttering are getting incoherent brother. You don;t even understand the BIG BANG proves God it seems do you ? Scientist were sure the Universe was ALWAYS HERE in the 1800's, thus the BIG BANG Proves God created the Universe, and you are arguing against it...............Geeeze................. Beware of such "awards". Who gives them? Beware when such men speak well of such things. Quantum Fluctuations? Filled with assumptions. They who beelive such things, assume things come into and out of existence, rather than the particles simply being undetectable or becoming simply 'invisible' (cannot be seen) in locomotion. Vanity. You clearly don't understand we use Microwave Radar bands to see planes in the sky or to MAP OUT where they are. Bats use radar, the picture is 100 percent FACTS. There are more stars than grains of sands on all the beaches in the whole world. As per Quantum Fluctuations, its an ACTION/MOVEMENT Outside of our Universe...........do you even get that? Its God before the Universe was created. Scientists can see it, but don't understand its God. God spoke the world into being...,.....BANG.......... Facts...........the only imagination I see is the people who can't see the stars that are billions of light years away. I give you the REAL CREATION, not the 6 day creation as imagined. Oh so you don't like push back on your propaganda hey? Too bad brother. You shouldn't post in an open forum. Its supposed to be about CREATION and thus anyone looking at the creation and saying Einstein is not relative to such a discussion is dodging the facts. No one is derailing your "THREAD" look at your title......The 7 days of Creation - the 7,000 Years with God - The Days with the Lord..... You don't get to think for everyone else brother. Now did you actually answer my reply coherently? No, you did not take my overall presentation and answer one thing, you had your ideas in mind and tried to make me believe those myths that I will never believe. You would have been better of not replying at all. I will leave you to your fantasy world since you are afraid of push back brother. With a bad attitude to boot. God Bless you brother........
  4. Revelation Man

    The 7 days of Creation - the 7,000 Years with God - The Days with the Lord

    Do you believe that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old according to science, or 6000 years old according to the Bible ? My Answer below: I as a 30 year Christian try to think outside the box of normality. Is the universe 6000 years old? Is the universe 13.7 billion years old? Do these two questions clash or is there a translation barrier !! This is how I think. I try to bring both poles of thought towards each other starting with the facts. We know the universe has to be over 6000 years old because we see light from stars that are millions of light years away, so we would have to be naive to think the universe is 6000 years old. Onward to what Genesis says about creation, does it really say the universe or earth is 6000 years old? I don’t think it does, I think its a mistranslation of a primitive language that had only around 4000 words at the time Genesis was written, whereas the English language has 500,000 words. So many of the Hebrew words were used in multiple ways. For instance the original meaning of the Hebrew word YOWM (Day) means “to be hot” and there are at least 50 other meanings listed in strong’s concordance’s lexicon of Hebrew words. A year, a month, a period of time, chronicles, evening and morning (Beginning and end), age, perpetually, long, some time, whole, X required season, continually etc. etc., well you get the point. YOWM or “To be hot”, what would this mean and why was it used since God is supposed to have given Moses the first five books of the Torah. Well when the universe was spoken into existence by God, it took 400 million years for the first stars to form. So the first Day (to be hot) was the Evening (Darkness, 400 million years of darkness) and the Morning ( The stars started forming) and the first day was a “period of time” and in my opinion it lasted from 13.7 Billion BC until 4.5 Billion BC (9.2 Billion years) when the Sun & Earth were formed. So lets take a second and look at the Bible and the WMAP research and see if this matches. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Now look below at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) which launched in 2001 and won many awards, they mapped the whole universe out. Below as we see, you had Quantum Fluctuations which I contend is God, then you had Inflation, followed by Afterglow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS of Darkness !! Just like the bible says in verse 2, and there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! Gods word is perfect, it is us who are confused. DARK AGES Mapped out by the WMAP, followed by what? The first stars forming at the 400 million year mark. Verse three says what? and God said “Let there be light” God is right again. We are looking at Creation from Gods POV, no man was there of course and with God he is not subject to time, he created time for us via this universe, but He is eternal and thus was never created. Remember the verse, a thousand years is like a day and a day like unto a thousand years unto God. In other words God lives in the past, present and future all at the same time. So we had the Big Bang, followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 375,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The Universe becomes Transparent to Light. The Microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce. The first stars appear….Gas Clouds collapse, the fusion of Stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang. So, when the bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !! The more we look for the answers, the more that science and the bible will converge, if both sides with differing viewpoints would only take their blinders off. The second day (period of time) of course would be from the Earth & the Suns formation until the grasses and trees came forth on the Third day (period of time) then on the Fourth day it seems God Set the Seasons or placed the Moon in its perfect orbit where our seasons are not strange, but orderly, I know the moon and earth is supposed to have collided. Anyway, that set the seasons, times, years etc. etc. Mind you, all of these ideas are rudimentary observations. A theory of how the things God says in His Holy Word and Science can both be factual. They are not meant to imply everything went down just so and in like manner, the dates of course are guesstimates, I wasn’t there. On the Fifth day God created the Sea animals/birds and what not, were the Dinos created here or with the land animals? The fifth day lasted 300 million to 400 million years or so. On the Sixth Day around 300–350 Million BC God created the Land Animals. During this period of time the Dinosaurs became extinct about 70 Million years ago. Then during this “TIME PERIOD” (6TH DAY) God decided to create man 6000 or so years ago. Some might protest that men have been around much longer, but I offer this up, where is the data? Men are record keepers and we don’t have proof of men going back further. Now as per “MEN” being observed by scientists to have been around X Number of years, I never said Animal like men weren’t around, I stated Human Beings were created 6000 years ago, when God placed His spirit in us and thus we are immortal in that our souls can not die. We were at that point in time “Created in Gods Image”. The other fossils and bones mean nothing, because Scientists have no way of testing for God imparting His spirit into mankind and creating “Human Beings” with powerful intellects. On the Seventh Day God rested, which only means He ceased Creating the Heavens/Earth/Mankind/Animals. So when we see stars and galaxies created today, it was ordered forth 13.7 Billion years ago. So its not necessarily either or. We need to start looking at things with an open mind, be we an atheist or a Christian. P.S. Just something to think about. Einstein’s theory of relativity is in the very first verse of the bible, relatively speaking…LOL. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven(SPACE) and the earth(MATTER).
  5. Revelation Man

    Explaining the 1335, 1290 and 1260 of Daniel 12

    I am that I am...the one and only Revelation Man....Revealing Times. I don't think anyone can understand this yet, to be honest. Its that deep.
  6. Revelation Man

    The Four Horsemen of Rev 6

    The Anti-Christ/Beast will destroy/WIPE OUT Islam. Its so simplistic, its everywhere in the bible, if we just choose not to listen to Joel Richardson and Shoebatt. We actually have to close our eyes to multiple clues/truths not to see it. False Clues about the coming Anti-Christ being a Muslim 1. The Little Horn comes out of the Fourth Beast.......hes from Syria because hes Assyrian and or many reasons like some of the Army that destroyed Jerusalem they say were Syrian peoples, which doesn't mean he has to be from Assyria to be of that heritage. 2. Hes born in Pergamum, which is in Turkey........that has ZERO to do with the coming Anti-Christ, its Jesus telling the Church at Pergamum that he understands their plight. There was a Temple to Zeus in Pergamum, and Zeus was Belios, he later became Jupiter to the Romans, he was Bel of Babylon, and he was BA'AL of the Canaanites, thus he was Satan. So the Throne of Satan was in Pergamum, and its been dug up in a Tel and moved to Berlin as we speak, Hitler held many of his crazed speeches from Nuremberg on an exact replica, go figure. No use going on. The Harlot is all false religion, basically Islam gets wiped out by the Beast.
  7. Please Google what the 1260, 1290 and 1335 mean, you will get all kind of answers. Many think its an EXTENSION of days into the 1000 year reign of Christ. And that the 1290 extends 30 days into the new millennium and the 1335 extends 75 days into the new millennium, that is just one of hundreds of ideas that I have com across. Try YOUTUBE also, it has multiple ideas on the subject also. The holy Spirit gave this to me out of the blue when I was studying Daniel 11 & 12 (I researched and explained every King in Daniel 11 on a blog and in a thread here). While studying in Daniel 12, I saw that the 1290 had to happen before the 1260 and it was like a ton of bricks hit me, everything is REVERSED from what we think it is, the 1290 has to come before the 1260 thus the 1335 also has to come before the 1290. Then I set about trying to confirming all of this. Now I need to slow down and fill everyone in on these scriptural process of my studies here. In Daniel 10, 11 and 12 we have one long, continual vision, In Daniel 11 we get all of the Syrian Wars and all of the Kings of the North vs. the Kings of the South. Then in Daniel 12 we are told Micheal will stand up and fight for the Jews in a times of trouble like never seen before, then Daniel is told to go his way, the secrets are sealed until the end when Knowledge is increased (NOW) and people travel to and fro. But then Jesus jumps in and adds more, Daniel said I looked and there were TWO OTHER Men, then we get this below: Dan.12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen (JESUS), which was upon the waters of the river, HOW LONG shall it be to the END of these WONDERS? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (1260 DAYS); and when he shall have accomplished to SCATTER the POWER (CONQUER Jerusalem) of the holy people, all THESE THINGS shall be FINISHED. So Jesus says this (PLAIN ENGLISH). From the time the holy people (Jews) are Conquered until all of these WONDERS END (Meaning the Second Coming ends all of these wonderous things) there will be 1260 days. (Its the Second Coming). Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the END of THESE THINGS? (KEY PHRASE HERE) 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Daniel is told to go his way, these things will be revealed during the END TIMES to those that follow God, the wise. But Jesus adds a couple of more secrets at the end BELOW: 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION that maketh DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days........(1290 DAYS) 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (1335 DAYS) Now as I pointed out above, the Holy Spirit showed me the 1290, which is, as we see above the Abomination of Desolation (AoD), and this has to be set up BEFORE the 1260 Event which is when Jerusalem is Conquered (power of the holy peoples scattered) by the Anti-Christ and thus Israel Flees Judea and thus are protected for 1260 days in the Wilderness in Rev. ch. 12 (Petra). The Holy spirit (GET THIS NOW) was like, how can Israel SCATTER or be conquered at the 1260 if the AoD is set up at the 1290 ? HOW Ron !! It was like a shout !! How can the AoD be set up if Israel/Jerusalem are Conquered 30 days before? That is when it hit me like a ton of bricks. In verse 8 the question was WHEN SHALL THE END OF THESE THINGS BE, so Jesus answers with the same answer as he did in verses 6 and 7 when he told Daniel it will be 1260 days until ALL OF THESE WONDERS END (Second Coming). Thus EACH NUMBER is a set number of days until the Second Coming, thus everything is REVERSED from how people are thinking, and God wanted it that way, because he SEALED it up until the end, thus the hard riddle. But revelation unto us makes it known, in these end times, Amen. So, the 1290 has to be 1290 days until the Second Coming, and thus 30 days before the 1260, so the AoD happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, but does that FIT ? I always test the spirits and facts, does it fit ? Yes, it surely does brothers and sisters In Mathew 24:15, Jesus tells the Jews to Flee Judea when they see the AoD Daniel spoke of, he says Flee, don't look back. So the AoD is before the 1260, we know the Anti-Christ would never allow the Jews to Flee Judea once Jesus opens the First Seal and allows him to go forth Conquering at the 1260 Event (Middle of the week), so that also fits, its just common sense right guys ? So the AoD is set up by the False Prophet, in the Temple, he places an IMAGE of the European President in the Temple, but why ? Well Israel repents BEFORE the Day of the Lord (the 1260 Event starts the DOTL a 3.5 year period of Gods Wrath). So its my guess the False Prophet despises Jesus as many Jews do today, and the 1/3 who repent and worship Jesus as their Messiah really angers and perturbs this man to no end. So what then is the 1335 Event ? Blessed is he that comes unto the 1335, what is a Blessing unto Israel that happens 1335 days before the Second Coming, 45 days before the AoD happens and 75 days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260 Event ? What could it possibly be ? Well of course, its the Two-witnesses showing up to turn Israel back unto God, but does that FIT ? Well yes, it does. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will SEND YOU Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the GREAT and DREADFUL DAY of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. Jesus tells the Disciples the same thing when they ask him if its true that Elijah will show up to RESTORE ALL THINGS before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Matthew 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias (Elijah) TRULY SHALL first come, and RESTORE all things. So Elijah comes and preaches Christ Crucified to the Jewish peoples, and at least 1/3 repent BEFORE the DOTL, which starts at the 1260 Event (Middle of the week), thus the Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the Second Coming. The 1335 Event is 30 days before the AoD (1290 Event) . The Jews have to repent before the AoD or they would not know they should Flee Judea !! They don't read Matthew ch. 24 currently !! So the Two-witnesses have to show up BEFORE the AoD happens. They thus show up 75 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, where he thus become the Beast. And you know how this also fits the RIDDLE of God? The Beast rules for 1260 days right? And the Two-witnesses have a Ministry for 1260 days on earth right? The Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe, the Beast DIES at the 7th Vial, so the Two-witnesses HAVE TO SHOW UP BEFORE THE BEAST because they also die before the Beast dies !! Its just basic math !! Amen, Glory to God. So not only did I ponder this revelation, I TRIED THE SPIRITS by trying the logic and veracity of the understanding and every piece of the puzzle fit like a glove. The 1335 is the Two-witnesses showing up (Blessing). The 1290 us the Abomination of Desolation. The 1260 is the Anti-Christ going forth to Conquer when Jesus opens the First Seal.
  8. Revelation Man

    What time is it?

    True brother, tons and tons... I think you are reading a little to much int where this takes places and not taking in hey symbolism of what the 7 Lamps Burning mean. The Seven Eyes mean God is ALL SEEING and likewise the Seven Lamps Burning represents that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent. The Church leaves the earth or Departs. But the Holy Spirit can't leave the earth and still protect Israel in Petra, still brig forth the Plagues of God. That is why I say that which restrains is the Holy Spirit working through the Church. Once the Church is taken to Heaven, and the timing is perfect, Jesus will open the Seals and the Beast will come forth. The Holy Spirit is EVERYWHERE just like Gods Eyes are EVERYWHERE. We did receive the Holy Spirit's infilling at the Pentecost, but only because Jesus had paid the price once and for all, before that Prophets still ha the Holy Spirit upon them, but they had to place themselves in situations where they were not around other peoples, hence they sought places of solitude, in the Desert or in a Wilderness, thus they could get close to God. But the Spirit was always on earth.
  9. Revelation Man

    The Four Horsemen of Rev 6

    We are all supposed to know the bible, so my point by point thesis was pretty evident, its about the Four Horsemen. I gave Scriptures for the MANY in Daniel 8:25, 9:27 and 11:40-43, people just have to look them up, that saves space and time right ? I just thought everyone knew those passages anyway. Firstly, the White Horse is a METAPHOR for CONQUERING, secondly if we actually ride White Horses that is what will be happening in Matthew 24:29-31 because the ELECT are Gathered from the Four Corners of Heaven (where we are at, marrying the Lamb). The differences in the Rapture and the Second Coming are listed below: Jesus wraps up the Bible with a promise that one day He will return: “Surely I am coming quickly” (Revelation 22). The fulfillment of this promise stands out as one of the most prolifically talked about events in the whole Bible. Nearly 500 prophecies in the Old Testament and one out of 25 verses in the New Testament concern Jesus’ Second Coming. There are so many verses about this topic, it’s enough to make one’s head spin! Second Coming Verses John 14:1-3; Romans 8:19; 1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 15:51-53; 16:22; Philippians 3:20-21; 4:5; Colossians 3:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:19; 4:13-18; 5:9,23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,3; 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1,8; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 9:28; James 5:7-9; 1 Peter 1:7,13; 5:4; 1 John 2:28-3:2; Jude 21; Revelation 2:25; 3:10; Daniel 2:44-45; 7:9-14; 12:1-3; Zechariah 12:10; 14:1-15; Matthew 13:41; 24:15-31; 26:64; Mark 13:14-27; 14:62; Luke 21:25-28; Acts 1:9-11; 3:19-21; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10; 2:8; 1 Peter 4:12-13; 2 Peter 3:1-14; Jude 14-15; Revelation 1:7; 19:11-20:6; 22:7,12,20 But, when you start reading all these verses about Jesus’ return, you’ll notice something very peculiar. They appear to tell two very different stories. It’s as if these verses could be divided into two camps. Rapture Second Coming John 14:1-3; Romans 8:19; 1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 15:51-53; 16:22; Philippians 3:20-21; 4:5; Colossians 3:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:19; 4:13-18; 5:9,23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,3; 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1,8; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 9:28; James 5:7-9; 1 Peter 1:7,13; 5:4; 1 John 2:28-3:2; Jude 21; Revelation 2:25; 3:10 Daniel 2:44-45; 7:9-14; 12:1-3; Zechariah 12:10; 14:1-15; Matthew 13:41; 24:15-31; 26:64; Mark 13:14-27; 14:62; Luke 21:25-28; Acts 1:9-11; 3:19-21; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10; 2:8; 1 Peter 4:12-13; 2 Peter 3:1-14; Jude 14-15; Revelation 1:7; 19:11-20:6; Let’s title the first column “Rapture” after 1 Thessalonians 4:17’s use of the Latin word “rapio” which means “to catch up, to snatch away, or to take out.” And, let’s also thin the list out a little to concentrate on the most descriptive passages. Rapture Second Coming John 14; 1 Corinthians 15; 1 Thessalonians 4 Zechariah 14; Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; Revelation 19 What does this mean then? Is the Rapture and Second Coming the same event? To answer this question, let’s look at 20 ways in which the Rapture and the Second Coming verses differ. Rapture Second Coming 1 Jesus appears in the sky and then ascends up to Heaven. Jesus appears in the sky and then descends down to the earth. 2 Jesus gathers those who are saved, called the Church, from the earth. Jesus gathers those who are saved, called the Church, from Heaven. 3 Jesus leaves behind those on the earth who are not saved, the Unrighteous, to begin enduring the wrath of God. Jesus returns and confronts those on the earth who are not saved, the Unrighteous, to finish enduring the wrath of God. 4 The resurrected Church meets Jesus up in the clouds. Mortal believers, called the Tribulation Saints, meet Jesus down on the earth. 5 The destination of the Church is Heaven. The destination of the Church is Jesus’ Millennial Kingdom on earth. 6 Only the Church, not the Unrighteous, will see Jesus. Every eye, both Church and Unrighteous alike, will see Jesus. 7 The Rapture takes place as fast as a blink of an eye. The Second Coming is drawn out over a number of days. 8 The Church instantly obtains glorified bodies which last forever before Christ’s Millennial Kingdom is instituted. Tribulation Saints remain in their same earthly bodies and await their glorified bodies at the end of Christ’s Millennial Kingdom. 9 The Church is gathered to receive their rewards while the Unrighteous are left behind to face their punishment. The Unrighteous are gathered to receive judgment and be sentenced to Torments while the Tribulation Saints are left behind on earth to enter into Christ’s rewards. 10 Jesus appears as a Bridegroom ready to receive His Bride the Church. Jesus appears as a warrior ready to execute judgment against His enemies. 11 Jesus appears as a Deliverer, rescuing spiritual refugees. Jesus returns as King, installing subjects to rule over His Kingdom. 12 The Rapture depicts the deliverance of the Church from God’s wrath. The Second Coming depicts the deliverance of Tribulation Saints who have endured many years of God’s wrath. 13 The world remains left unjudged and still living in the horrible condition of sin. The world receives final judgment and righteousness is established. 14 The Mount of Olives in Jerusalem remains unchanged. The impact of Jesus landing on the earth splits the Mount of Olives in two, forming a whole new valley. 15 Satan remains free to cause havoc and slaughter billions. God’s angels capture Satan, bind him, and throw the Devil into a bottomless pit. 16 Revealed clearly in the New Testament. Revealed clearly in both the Old and New Testaments. 17 An imminent event in that no signs or events need to precede in order for it to happen. Over seven years’ worth of signs and events must precede in order for it to happen. 18 Deals only with the Church. Deals both with the Church and the Unrighteous. 19 The end purpose is to bring God’s judgment on this world. The end purpose is to install Jesus’ Kingdom over this world. 20 The Rapture is an idyllic scene of God’s love, mercy, and grace to His Church. The Second Coming is a terrifying scene of God’s wrath and judgment against the Unrighteous. So, the answer is no, the Rapture and the Second Coming clearly are not the exact same event. But, the answer could also technically be yes, but only in the respect that the Rapture and Second Coming are two separate stages of the same event — the final return of Jesus Christ.
  10. Revelation Man

    What time is it?

    Because they are not supposed to be men per se, but in essence represents specific occurrences that are going to come to pass. They are modeled after the Horse riders in Zechariah. As per the Chronology, it is what it is, if you have any particular thoughts or doubts let me know, I have been given this most recently so I am glad to yak about it. For starters, Putin is never going to be the President of the E.U. so we can discount him. Secondly, in Ezekiel 38 we see that God destroys Gog and Magog and their princes when they come against Israel. So Russia and his Muslim buddies will be wiped out by fire from God. Ezekiel 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord. So God wipes out the Russian prince before the Armageddon War. Thus you could say God clears the path for the E.U. Beast to come forth by destroying the Russian forces and probably Turkey......A NEW THOUGHT for me to ponder !! The Beasts has to come to power in Europe (Fourth Beast) as per Dan. ch. 7. He has to be born in Greece as per Dan. ch. 8. He also has to be an Assyrian per Isaiah ch. 10 (born of Turkish parents or Grandparents). All three of the prophecies have to INTERSECT into ONE MAN.
  11. Revelation Man

    The Four Horsemen of Rev 6

    We are not speaking of Satan's deed to rule over this World per se, but Satan's building of his Beast System to its ZENITH. Notice, we went from Babylon, to Persia, to Greece to Rome and Satan was building his masterpiece, then Jesus came along and died for our sins and the Church took Satan's "Roman Beast" and eventually turned it into a conveyor belt of the Gospel thus...The Mortal Wound...and a 2000 year gap of no Beast Government that dominates the known world. Once the Church Departs, that which restrains the Beast System from regrouping to full capacity, the Holy Spirit WORKING through the Church, is taken out of the way. So we have blocked the Anti-Christ from coming forth, Satan doesn't know the future, God does, so he has to CONTINUALLY have a man ready to go, when God allows him to go forth, but Satan's thinking isn't like that, hes actually trying to rally people together to conquer the whole world all the time, Hitler was just one of his many failures. Since he hates the Jews, Satan didn't have much to worry about until 1948, but he still tried to wipe them out through Hitler. Thus he will raise up a man, in Europe, where they have close ties with the Mediterranean Sea Region, and thus feign some sort of PEACE, then he will break that peace in the middle of the week as seen in Daniel 11:40-43. The agreement is with MANY [NATIONS] not just Israel, the E.U. already have agreements with Israel and MANY OTHERS via the European Neighborhood Policy: The European Neighborhood Policy governs the EU's relations with 16 of the its closest Eastern and Southern Neighbors. To the South: Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine*, Syria** and Tunisia....... STAY TUNED !! These are the MANY spoken of in Dan. 8:25, Dan. 9:27 and as I stated in Dan. 11:40-43. The Church is taken out of the way before the 70th week starts (a 7 year period) but the Beast rules for only 42 Months, thus the First Seal allows the Beast to go forth Conquering, but as soon as the Church is Raptured he starts making his plans, he has to gain these Nations trust first. He builds a rapport with these MANY NATIONS, then he reneges on his (Covenant) promises/agreements in the Middle of the Week or at the 3.5 year mark, when Jesus opens the First Seal. So Jesus raptures the Church, then the Anti-Christ via the Red Dragons encouragement sets the wheels in motion, but he has to build relationships and trust first. THEN.....Jesus releases him to go forth in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.....so why would you think there is a whole week left when the Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer ? There is 3.5 years left, this is called the Day of the Lord, it begets Gods Wrath. The First seal is the White Horse (Anti-Christ) who conquers thus becoming the Beast. The SAME MAN takes away his fake peace and is thus also the Red Horse, the same man causes Famine via his wars but God also can hold back the rain via the Two-witnesses prayers. Lastly the Pale Green Horse is a result of all this mans actions, Death & the Grave. Well he will try to deceive everyone on earth, but the Church of course is in Heaven at this time. The Believers in Christ who have given their hearts to Christ after the Rapture no doubt are AWARE of what's going on, after all, close to a Billion Christians or more, all died at one time (Rapture). Satan will try to force them to Worship him or die, thus they are the BEHEADED MARTYRS under the Alter at the 5th Seal (some will probably be weak and serve the Beast). The Jews will be targeted, both the 1/3 who repented and are protected in Petra by God AND the 2/3 who do not repent, and are thus killed by the Anti-Christ. Jesus OPENED the Seals and cast Satan out of Heaven onto the World ON PURPOSE. So if God/Jesus/Holy Spirit, through the Church, has been holding back the coming of the LAST BEAST for 2000 some odd years, but then allows him to COME FORTH, it would seem that Jesus/God is fed up with mankind on earth, thus he Raptures His Church out before he is set to begin His Wrath. AGAIN......Jesus opens the Seals..... Jesus OPENS THE SEALS BROTHER !! These Horsemen just represent EVENTS/Circumstances brought forth by the Anti-Christ/Beast. Jesus Opens the Seven Seals and the 7 Trumpets come forth from the 7th Seal and the 7 Vials come forth from the 7th Trumpet. So all of Gods Wrath comes forth from the Seven Seals. Jesus releases it all because its Gods Wrath. The Dead in Christ and the Living in Christ are Raptured pre 70th Week. The Wrath of God begins with the opening of the Seven Seals. Matthew 24:29-31 is the Second Coming, not the Rapture brother.
  12. Revelation Man

    What time is it?

    Yes, these supposed to be 2 Billion Christians on earth, so if a Billion are Raptured that would leave 7 billion, maybe 8 Billion on earth at that point in time in the near future, if it was later it might be more of course. Yes, the Rapture has to happen before Jesus opens the Seals, the Bride is even seen in Rev. 4:4 and 5:9 with White Robes already on, meaning the Marriage has already happened before the Seals are opened. Rev. 19 is a Parenthetical Citation (Set-a-side) chapter, just like Rev. 11, 12, 13, 14, 17 and 18 are also. The Real Chronological Order of the book of Revelation is the is Rev. 1-3, Church Age, Revelation 4-5, the Church in Heaven before the Seals are opened. Revelation 6, 7, 8, 9 and 15&16 are the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments !! IT IS DONE says the Angel in Rev. 16, Babylon has fallen. Rev. 20 is the Judgment seat for those Martyrs under the 5th Seal, THEY will live and reign with Christ ON EARTH 1000 years. Then Rev. 21-22 is the Hereafter and New Jerusalem. Rev. 19 covers all of or the full 7 Years.....Marriage....Return.....Defeat of the Beast......Marriage Supper which is Armageddon......Beast is cast into Hell. Rev. 12 starts in the Middle of the week (MoW) when the Ant-Christ Conquers Jerusalem in the MoW, Israel Flee to Petra for 1260 Days. Rev. 13 starts in the MoW also (Rev. 6), it is the Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem and thus becoming THE BEAST out of the [Mediterranean] Sea. Rev. 11 is the Two-witnesses 1260 Day Ministry, but it starts BEFORE the Beast comes to power, thus they also DIE before the Beast dies. Rev. 14 is the Harvest of those in Christ (vs. 14 on Cloud) and those WICKED TARES who are placed in the Wine-press. Rev. 17 is the Harlot (All False Religion) that the 10 Kings in league with the Beast DESTROYS (Think Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc.) in order to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! False Religion is JUDGED once and for all, Jesus will take care of the Beast himself. ( Happens during Rev. ch. 6 also ) Rev. 18 is Babylon, or Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth. Rev. 18 shows her COMMERCE is destroyed by the Seal, Trumpet and Vials. This starts in the MoW via Rev. 6, but runs all the way to Rev. 16, where Jesus shows up and SPEAKS VICTORY over the Beast and his Armies (WITHOUT HAND means by the Sword of the Spirit or by his MOUTH !! Amen) But they are all 4 EVENTS are brought about by the Anti-Christ, as is Seal #5, the DEATHS of the Martyrs are a testimony against the Beast and his Minions.
  13. Revelation Man

    What time is it?

    In Rev. 19 the White Horse of Jesus and those white horses of his bride represents Conquering. In Rev. ch. 6, when Jesus opens the First Seal a Man goes forth Conquering and to Conquer. He destroys MANY by PEACE. Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Hes given a Crown of TWINE (A Prize for winning), the Crowns Jesus receives in Rev. 19 are the Crowns of a King, they are not TWINE Crowns. The Anti-Christ is shown with a BOW and not a Sword [of the Spirit). The White Horse represents that he is Conquering. The Red Horse represents the same man taking PEACE FROM THE EARTH, just like Dan. 8:25 says will happen. Dan. 9:27 states the Anti-Christ makes an AGREEMENT (Covenant) with MANY (meaning Israel and most all of the Mediterranean Sea Region Nations) for one week. Then Daniel 11:40-43 show these Nations, most of North Africa, NATIONS the Little Horn overruns to get to Israel and Israel. It also says this man Conquers MANY Nations. In Rev. 6 the fourth Horse shows the DEATH TOLL. We see 1/4 of all Mankind dies, or 1.5 to 2 Billion people. Rev. 13 is the Same Man (Beast) coming to power, it happens at the same time thus as Rev. ch. 6. Rev. 12 happens at the same time as Rev. 6 as well, its Satan (Red Dragon) chasing Israel into the Wilderness. Rev. 17 is a Scarlet Colored Beast, he is Apollyon. In Rev. 13 the False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest. (He will appear to be of God (Lamb) but will be of Satan (Dragon). No one but the Anti-Christ Beast will be allowed to go Forth and kill 1/4 of all MANKIND, because Jesus clearly stated, these will be the GREATEST TROUBLES EVER SEEN, or that ever will be seen. All Four horses are the Anti-Christ.
  14. Revelation Man

    What time is it?

    Jesus will only open the First Seal after the Rapture of the Church. Thus the Anti-Christ goes forth Conquering and to Conquer. The Anti-Christ must be born in Greece, of Turkish descent (The Assyrian) via parents or grandparents, and he has to come to power via the European Union. The TIME is nigh, he is alive and 40-50 years old at least.
  15. Revelation Man

    The Four Horsemen of Rev 6

    Satan understands he is defeated, the only chance he had was to seduce Jesus in the Desert, then he tried to kill him thinking that would end his earthly rule, not understanding Jesus had to be sacrificed to break Satan's hold over mankind via sin. Now all who chose, can be washed in his blood. Satan knows he is a defeated foe, Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. The Church blocks the Anti-Christ from coming forth, the gates of hell can not prevail against the Church. When Jesus releases the Anti-Christ to come forth, the Beast System will (only) come back together as its been trying to do for 2000 years. Jesus just stops blocking it, he Raptures the Church, and stops blocking the Beast from reconstituting. By the time Satan realizes he can overthrow the World again via this Man, he will get cast out of Heaven and have great anger, but he knows he can't defeat God, now he will seek to deceive and kill as many people as he can and take them to hell with him. He especially hates the Jews and will try to kill everyone of them that he can, because without the Jews, there would have been no SEED (Jesus). So the Seals are opened, The anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer and Satan is cast out of Heaven all at about the same time. This is the Lambs Wrath or Gods Wrath. Jesus releasing a BEAST SYSTEM onto the world where he kills 1.5 to 2 Billion people, mostly Muslims, is Gods Wrath at Mankind. (He gives the world their JUST DUE and their HEARTS DESIRE, self rule.) The Anti-Christ causes all the events in the first four horses. He Conquers, he takes away the PEACE he came to power under false pretenses of peace. His wars, etc. etc. causes famine along with God not giving rain (the Two-witnesses can pray THAT IT NOT RAIN), and of Course DEATH and the GRAVE are a result of all this.