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  1. Do You Think The Book of Revelation is Practical and Applicable

    While I understand your main point that all scriptures are meant to uplift our Faith and hope, and Revelation indeed does that, I as understand Scott'd point, though I disagree with his overall tone inasmuch as he sees you to be going against what God tells us to do do via Revelation, and hes wrong there, I understand what you are trying to say, but IMHO, you should confirm/recognize that there is a clear meaning to what Revelation says and in due time it will come out (LIKE NOW) when God sees the time as as fit. So allow me to help your point of emphasis out a wee bit then move on to why it does matter. Both can be accurate statements. The very first verse does just what you suggest Jesus is trying to do: Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Jesus is uplifting his Churches/Servants by telling them these things hes about to espouse unto them will shortly come to pass. Then he proceeds to tell them what? How Gods people are going to end up victorious. Thus must have been beautiful noise to the Seven Churches ears. 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Jesus is building up their faith because many are being persecuted and dying, but in the END !! WE WIN !! 9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,................. 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. John says am going through tribulation also, but then on verse 20 he tells them you have 7 Angels in your midst. Them he highlights their pluses and minuses to get the Churches to grown in the Spirit. Then in chapter 3 we get this below: Rev. 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. In chapter one John was told to write the things which he has saw, WHICH IS, and which will be hereafter, then in the first verse of Rev. 4 we get this: Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. (God) So we are shown the future from verse one on, and John sees God, not Jesus but Gd the Father, so we are all going to get to see God the Father one day, YIPPEE !! So yes, Revelation was meant to give the Churches HOPE and STRENGTH t overcome, I grant that, but it also has a meaning that Jesus was relaying unto us, and its not metaphorical in nature, though some of the symbols might be. As a matter of fact these end time are where we are supposed to be able to and there are some who miss the Rapture who will need to understand these things. So while get your point, these thins you mentioned really do have a finite meaning, the problem is Satan sows confusion.

  3. Will there be a per-trib rapture

    The main controversy in this passage is what the Greek words translated ” the apostasy” [ho apostasia] mean. Believers in a Pre-Tribulation rapture say it is a code word for “the rapture.” Believers in the Pre-Wrath position say it means “the rebellion from the faith.” Paul states at the beginning of this very verse that we are not to be deceived. It is incumbent on every Christian to understand this passage because there is great deception in the Church about this verse. One side of the argument is obviously correct and the other is deceiving the Church. It is the responsibility of every Christian to understand the argument of this contested passage and teach the truth. Church historians believe that Paul’s letters to the Thessalonians were the earliest letters that Paul wrote with 1 Thessalonians dating to 52 AD (about 20 years after Jesus’ resurrection) and 2 Thessalonians being written a year later. In these early letters of Paul, he discusses more end time issues than he does in all his other letters to the churches combined. It appears that after Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians, the Church at Thessaloniki received a forged letter from someone claiming to be Paul. Paul wrote 2 Thessalonians to answer the mistaken views that the forgery produced. It is in that setting that the controversial section finds itself. Before we examine the exegesis of ho apostasia, let’s examine the passage in context because meaning is always found in its surroundings. WHAT PAUL SAID BEFORE THIS Context means whatever comes before it and what comes after. The passage before this one (2 Thess. 1: 4-12) lays the groundwork for the discussion. We see in verse 4 that the Church was undergoing severe persecution. This in combination with the forged letter, led many to think the Day of the Lord (God’s Wrath) had begun. In verse five Paul makes an enormously important point: The first thing we learn is that persecution of the Church is normal and even considered a sign that believers are considered worthy of the Kingdom of God. Those who argue that the purpose of the rapture is to prevent persecution need to read this verse. Paul is teaching that persecution, even severe persecution, is normal and a sign from God that we are worthy. This passage then also states that upon the return of Jesus, He will give relief to those who are afflicted and punish the wicked who afflicted us. By this Paul is re-assuring the Thessalonians that they haven’t missed the rapture, it hadn’t happened yet because they haven’t seen their relief upon the return of Christ. He also mentions that Christ’s Holy Angels are part of His coming. This is to reassure them that it will not be a silent rapture. Paul is saying Christ will be “revealed” in flaming fire. It also shows that God begins pouring out his wrath once the Church is removed. IT WILL NOT COME UNLESS Paul then launches into the controversial passage. He begins by reassuring the Thessalonians again that Jesus has not come and raptured his Church yet. The reason he mentions the Day of the Lord (the Wrath of God) is that the rapture (the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him) must come before the Day of the Lord. God will not let his Church experience his wrath. Next comes the verses that cause all the controversy. Paul says that “it” (the Day of the Lord and the rapture that precedes it) will not come unless two things happen: “ho apostasia” (the controversial words) and the revealing of the Antichrist. Verse four proves this “man of sin” is the Antichrist because he is the one who sits in the Temple of God and declares himself to be god. Only the Antichrist does this. It is how the Church will identify him. All the “Antichrist theories” out there today are meaningless. Only by sitting in the Temple can we know for sure the man is Antichrist. WHICH COMES FIRST Some in the church teach that “ho apostasia” happens first and then the Antichrist is revealed. They teach this because of Paul’s use of the word “first” after “ho apostasia.” Paul, however, consistently uses “first then” if he means a sequence of events. He always does this. It is a consistent pattern in is writings. An example is found in the most famous rapture verse of all. Because Paul does not use the word “then” in conjunction with the word “first,” we can be assured that “ho apostasia” and the revealing of the Antichrist are two events that happen at the same time and both precede the rapture. We know that the revealing of the Antichrist is his sitting in the Temple of God. We know from MIDPOINT OF THE TRIBULATION: EARTH’S PERSPECTIVE that this occurs at the Midpoint of the Tribulation. Nearly all commentators believe this. We have already proven the rapture cannot occur until 3 1/2 years after the Tribulation has begun when the Antichrist is revealed. SO IS IT RAPTURE OR APOSTASY So now let’s finally look at the etymology of the words ho apostasia. The first word ho means “the.” This means that this apostasia is the definitive one. There may be others but this is the significant one. This is what HELP’S Word-studies and Strong’s Dictionary say about the second word: 646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, “leave, depart,” which is derived from 575 /apó, “away from” and 2476 /histémi, “stand”) – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, “a leaving, from a previous standing.” Definition: defection, apostasy, revolt. Several older 15th century English translations of the Bible claimed the word meant “the departure.” These mis-translations were based on one of the words apostasia was derived from: aphistemi. This mis-translation led those who support a Pre-Tribulation rapture to say that this word is a “code word” for rapture: “the departure.” But as can be clearly seen above, apostasia means “departure from a previous standing. ” It means a rebellion or defection from the faith in this context. This is not the only time this word is used in the new testament. The other use of this word in Acts cements its true meaning: In this passage, the elders of the Church at Jerusalem were talking to Paul. They told Paul that the faithful Jews in Jerusalem had been told that he was teaching the gentiles to apostasia Moses. By this, the elders obviously meant the Jews were told that Paul was teaching gentiles to depart from the faith imparted by Moses. This exact match of meaning proves that apostasia means rebellion from the faith or falling away from the faith. WHAT COMES AFTER THIS PASSAGE After the controversial passage, Paul supports this meaning of apostasia: Is Paul talking about those who were already opposed to Christ or is this passage about those falling away in the great apostasy? Those already opposed to Christ don’t need a deluding influence to oppose Christ, they are already fallen. In this passage Paul is is discussing the reason that former professing saints will fall away in the great apostasy . This is critical because Paul would not have included this follow-up passage explaining the great apostasy unless he had just mentioned it a few verses earlier. Otherwise Paul would have simply been entering a random thought into his letter. This contextual proof is further supports our position that a pre-tribulation rapture is absolutely without merit. SUMMARY We have learned: Apostasia means apostasy or rebellion from the faith. Persecution is normal and a sign of worthiness. The rapture is nota means of escaping persecution. The rapture won’t be silent. Jesus will come with his Holy Angels and fire. The wrath of God will begin immediately after the rapture. The rapture cannot occur until after the Antichrist is revealed at the midpoint of the Tribulation (Daniel’s 70th Week) and after the great apostasy which begins at the same time. Now that we know these things, the passage in 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-4 completely shatters two theories: the pre-tribulation rapture theory the theory that the rapture is imminent (that no other prophecies must be fulfilled prior to the rapture.) If you currently are holding either of these theories, I am sure this post has been challenging. The theory of a pre-tribulation rapture is one of the most comforting theories held by the Church, but if it is wrong it is incredibly dangerous. The Church needs to prepare itself for what is to come. Thinking we will avoid persecution and possible martyrdom is a path to potentially falling away when faced with the truth. Consider and pray about these things. (Nelson Walters....."Are we ready for Jesus") John 16:33 – Jesus Christ said to His followers, “In the world YOU shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” Acts 14:22 – Paul told Christians, “WE through much tribulation must enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 24:21,22 – Jesus said there would be “great tribulation” which His followers (the “elect”) must endure. Yet for “the elects sake, those days shall be shortened.” Romans 5:3 – True Christians are to “glory in tribulations” because “tribulation works patience” and develops Christian character. Revelation 1:9 – John was our “companion in tribulation.” Revelation 2:9 – To His church, Jesus said, “I know your works and tribulation…” Revelation 2:10 – Again to His church, Jesus said, “YOU shall have tribulation…” Revelation 7:14 – God’s final people “came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” They did not escape it, but endured through it, being purified. Its Departure of the Church.....we just had a bad translation by the KJV which everyone fell for.

    They confuse the Wrath of God with the Wrath of Satan, just because Satan is angry when he is cast down and has GREAT WRATH. But they do not understand Jesus is OPENING THE SEALS thus he is in control via his Wrath, that is why its called the Lambs Wrath in Rev. ch. 6, all Seven Seals are the Lambs Wrath. Hes angry at the world thus he allows them to have their hearts desire, a King who has evil in his heart, since they all have LOVED EVIL over God. Its still Gods Wrath, Jesus is God. I think the Trumpets are the Holy Spirits Wrath (Still Gods wrath) because its the prayers of the Saints, taken unto the alter of God then cast back down on earth as fire. Lastly the Seven Vials are the Fathers Wrath. Each get progressively worse. Its never Satan's wrath, hes always been seeking to kill, steal and destroy. Hes just angrier than usual when cast out of Heaven, but if God did not allow him he could not kill mankind, else we would all be dead now.

    TIP #1 Give your life to Jesus Christ and you will be in Heaven Marrying the Lamb as Jacobs Troubles happens here on earth. The other Seven Tips are thus irrelevant to Christians.
  6. What are the events that will take place in the end times ?

    The 30 day difference is from the 1260 to the 1290 which happens in the Middle of the week, when the Jews power is taken away and they are scattered to and fro. "Scatter the power of the holy people". It doesn't happen at the end. The question is asked "How long til the end of these wonders" then the Angel or Jesus gives the answer, it will be 1260 Days after the power of the Holy people is scattered or after Israel Flees Judea. We know they are protected for 1260 days, so after they are scattered these "WONDERS" will last for 1260 days, OF COURSE !! Each number represents an event and thus the amount of time from said event until the Second Coming. Thus the question, HOW LONG TIL THE END OF THESE WONDERS? An event happens, there is 1260 days left until the second coming from said event. An event happens, there is 1290 days left until the second coming from said event. An event happens, there is 1335 days left until the second coming until from events. To believe any other way you would have to believe that the first one is speaking about 1260 days until the Second Coming, then we are speaking about events 45 days and 75 days into the 1000 year reign, which makes zero sense. Its about events until these WONDERS CEASE, or until Jesus returns. The bible is phrased in odd ways, just like I pointed out to him about Rev. 20:5, which he refused to acknowledge because he thinks posting a bunch of men's names would impress me, MEN NEVER IMPRESS ME. God is no respecter of men, and neither am I per se.
  7. What are the events that will take place in the end times ?

    And that proves what? Wisdom and revelation of from God not men, I am Revealing Times from another Message board so I know you quite well. While we agree a lot, when the Holy Spirit reveals truth to me I don't go asking others for permission to believe what I have been given. You not being able to see it is on you, not me. Maybe its not given unto you to see. The math can't be disputed. Again, men do not impress me, so all of that post is irrelevant to me.
  8. What is the meaning of 666 in Rev.13:18?

    The 70th week is a seven year period, of course, its called Jacobs Troubles. You see the Peace/Security Agreement is a forced deal it seems. So the Seven years are Jacobs Troubles and the 3.5 years are Gods Wrath on mankind in which Israel is "PROTECTED" for the 3.5 years or 1260 days in the Wilderness. So its from Israel's perspective, thus its called Jacobs Troubles, but if God is protecting Israel for 1260 days who is the TROUBLES actually upon? OTHERS not Israel per se, though some Jews do not make it either, 2./3 die because they did not heed Jesus' words or couldn't make it to the Wilderness in time. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: ( to "Safe zone" on wilderness) 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.25 Behold, I have told you before.26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. The GREAT TROUBLES are harming the whole world an no flesh would be saved of not for God stopping the Wrath.
  9. What are the events that will take place in the end times ?

    Just because you do not grasp my point in no wise makes my understanding null and void. I have been in the Prophecy Ministry for over 30 years, I don't need a C&P Histrionics on Prophecy brother. I know exactly what I am speaking of, you seemingly can't grasp what I am speaking of at this time, that's OK, everything is not given it everyone at all time. The Woman (Israel) can't Flee Judea before the Abomination can she? But if the 1290 is the Abomination then the Midway point 1260 can't come 30 days after the 1290 because the Woman Flees at 1260. Therefore the numbers are speaking of how many days from THREE EVENTS, one unamed, until the end of these Wonders (second coming). Maybe the Holman will help. Daniel 12:6 One of them said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long until the end of these extraordinary things?” 7 Then I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river. He raised both his hands toward heaven and swore by Him who lives eternally that (Z1) it would be for a time, times, and half a time. (Z2) When the power of the holy people is shattered (z3), all these things will be completed. Z1 should be where Z2 is placed, Ill show it later. Like many old writings their phrasing etc. etc. are kind of weird to us. Take Rev. 20:4-5, we will only use verse 5, but it confuses many people. Rev. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. The last part of verse 5 goes with VERSE 4, because its speaking about the FIRST RESURRECTION whereas verse 5, except for the highlighted part above is actually speaking about the Second Resurrection and that confuses many people. Now I will place Z1, Z2 and Z3 in their proper places. Daniel 12:6 One of them said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long until the end of these extraordinary things?” 7 Then I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river. He raised both his hands toward heaven and swore by Him who lives eternally that (Z2) When the power of the holy people is shattered (Z1) it would be for a time, times, and half a time.(z3), all these things will be completed. Or When Israel Flees Judea (Shattered = Flee) after a time period 1260 days in the wilderness all of these things will be completed. (Jesus shows up). Daniel 12:8 I heard but did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these things?” 9 He said, “Go on your way, Daniel, for the words are secret and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, cleansed, and refined,but the wicked will act wickedly; none of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand. 11 From the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 The one who waits for and reaches 1,335 days is blessed. 13 But as for you, go on your way to the end; you will rest, then rise to your destiny at the end of the days.” From the time of the Abomination until the END there will be 1290 days.....the original POINT OF EMPHASIS was verse 6, "How long until the END" !! I know exactly what I am doing via prophecy, and I take years sometimes to arrive at opinions, this was given out of nowhere. You might disagree, but that changes nothing to my understanding, when I get a word from the Holy Spirit no man can sway me.
  10. What are the events that will take place in the end times ?

    Yes it does identify when they are and thus what events they are brother, you totally missed the clue I gave you that proves it can be nothing but what I stated, I understand you probably are thinking in old ways as I was until Thur. so its easy to overlook new revelation from the Holy Spirit when we have old thoughts ingrained. I'll try to be more clear. Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (SACRIFICE is not in Hebrew text) Until we understand the KEY we can't understand that the 1335 can not be the END but has to be BEFORE the Midway point. Now I am going to show you the KEY again, it can not be wrong if you will just think. The 1290 is the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel 12. Thus it has to be BEFORE the 1260 thus EVERY NUMBER is Reversed engineered so to speak in this chapter. Its really the 1230 or 1290 days until Jesus returns. Because the Abomination can't come 30 days after the holy people are scattered thus the 1335 must also come BEFORE the 1260 and the 1290. Since the 1290 CAN NOT come before the 1260 it is not days into the future, its days from a certain point until the END TIME. The 1260 is the Midway point, the 1290 is a AOD so it has to be BEFORE !! The 1260 NOT AFTER. Thus the 1335 is also before. Imagine it like this, we have a 7 year contract to work in Oil fields, and I am a quirky boss. On day 1335 most bosses would be talking about 1335 days into a 2520 day time period, but I am speaking about a day 1335 days from the END of our contract. I am not speaking about the LAST DAY, but about a specific day/Event 1335 days from the end. All three days are described as such. The first day is 1260, it can be confusing because its exactly in the MIDDLE, but the Abomination CAN NOT come after the SCATTERING of the holy people, so how can 1290 be AFTER 1260? It cant, which means the 1290 is ACTUALLY 1290 days from the END !! Which would make it 30 days before the Holy people are scattered. Here's where its SIMPLE. Israel CAN NOT FLEE (1260 event) 30 days before the ABOMINATION (1290 event) even happens. The NUMBERS ARE ALL REVERSED !! Now that we know that we can understand the 1335 is the Two-Witnesses, they show up 1335 days before the Second Coming.
  11. What are the events that will take place in the end times ?

    Pretty spot on except for this small paragraph. People get the 1260, 1290 and 1335 confused. We can understand when the 1290 happens by juxtaposing it against the 1260 (time, times and half time) in Daniel ch. 12. Since we know the holy people are scattered (Dan.12:7) for 1260 days (Rev. 12:6) then we know the 1290 event can not....CAN NOT....come after the 1260 (time, times and half) event, because the 1290 event is the taking away of the Daily and the Abomination of Desolation being SET UP. Thus how can Israel/Jews be scattered (Flee Judea Matthew 24:15-16) 30 days before the AOD is set up? It doesn't match the scriptures so what is wrong? Any time Scriptures conflict we are confused, not God. So we then have to only understand the 1290 event must come before the 1260 event. Then when we look at the question (Dan. 12:6) the Angel/Jesus poses we understand hes inferring how many days will there be until the END OF THESE WONDERS. (Jesus Returns/Second Coming). Its just common sense. The Jews can't flee after the Abomination of Desolation is set up if its set up 30 days after they scatter or Flee to the Wilderness. (Lord gave me this Thur.) So EUREKA !! The 1335 has to be an Event also, and it has to be 1335 days until the End/Jesus Returns !! But what could that possibly be? Well who dies just before the Beast dies at the 2nd Woe? The Two-witnesses, then of course the Beast dies at the 7th Vial, so their 1260 Day Timelines do not parallel perfectly. Thus the Two-witnesses have to show up before the Beast shows up on the scene. Thus the 1335 Event. Israel is turned back to God at the 1335 event, or 75 Days before the Beast shows up and 45 days before the False Prophet, a Religious Jewish Leader who hates that Israel has accepted Jesus as their Messiah, takes away the Daily [Oblation/Tribute to Jesus/God) and sets up the AOD. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. Blessed is he that comes to the 1335 Days basically means blessed is he who Repented and who made it to the Second Coming of Jesus. (Protected in the Wilderness for 1260 days) The days are days from EVENTS UNTIL THE SECOND COMING !!
  12. The 1335 Days

    Now read the passage. The Holy Spirit gave me Daniel 12 this weekend, and you just so happen to make a thread, though I must says its kind of put there. What we need to know is the Abomination of Desolation has to come before the Jews Flee, some thinks its the same time, I did, but that passage give us a VERY IMPORTANT CLUE that changes the thought process, if we catch it, its there. The Numbers are REVERSED from what most think, they are not counting days into the Tribulation, but days until the end/Jesyus returns grom specific events. This can be proved by yours truly. Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus/Angel?), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? (NOTICE THE QUESTION HERE....) 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (1260 Days); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. {{{ This is saying that from the time the Holy people are "SCATTERED" (Israel Flees Judea) there will be 1260 Days (time, times and half time) until all of these wonders are finished. So the 1260 is how many days from the time the Anti-Christ comes forth, Conquers Jerusalem and becomes the Beast for 42 Months, until Jesus Christs Second coming. It can be nothing else. }}} Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. {{{ So what does this mean? Everyone seems to have problems with these numbers, but when we get they are all REVERSED, and are Events then days from vents until the END TIME it kind of clears up for us. Since we know the 1260 (rime, times and half time) is in the Middle of the Week, and it says the holy people are scattered at this time, the Abomination of Desolation mentioned in verse 11 can not be set up 30 days after the holy people have scattered or fled, because Jesus prophesied that when you see the Abomination of Desolation that Jews should FLEE JUDEA in Matthew 24:16-17, so the 1290 event can not be 30 days after the 1260 event, thus it has to be 30 days before the 1260 event, and that makes sense when we understand the 1260 days was Days until the END/Jesus' Return. Thus the 1335 is also and Event that is 1335 Days until the End/Jesus Returns. Everyone is looking at it wrong. 1. 1335 Days until Jesus Returns the Two-Witnesses show up, blessed is he that makes it from this day of Repentance all the way to Jesus' return. 2. 1290 Days before Jesus Returns the Daily (Oblation/Worshiping of Jesus) is taken away, and the Abomination is set up. (Jews should FLEE JUDEA.) 3. The Anti-Christ comes forth to Conquer in the Middle of the Week (Day of the Lord/Gods Wrath) and the Jews/Israel has thus been SCATTERED !! This timeline fits scriptures. The Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the Beast and die BEFORE the Beast (2nd Woe vs. 7th Vial). And Malachi 4:5-6 says that the two-witnesses show up BEFORE the Day of the Lord. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
  13. What is the meaning of 666 in Rev.13:18?

    LIKE MISSMUFFET SAYS: The Church is not going to be here anyway, so its kind of irrelevant to us who he is. I also think that 666 is a duplicate: God the Father, The Holy Spirit and Jesus the Son or the 777 Trinity. Anti-Christ Spirit Satan who rebelled against God, The False Prophet/Man Beast over Religion, the Anti-Christ Beast/Man over Governance pt 666. I know where hes born via Daniel 7 and 8, it clearly tells us, he cones from the Fourth Beast and the Greece, the only one of the Four Generals Territories that's in the European Union. So it can't be the other three. Hes Assyrian or Turkish and born in Greece. Who is he? I never go there, because it doesn't matter to us, but he is an avowed Atheist.
  14. Will The " Holy Place " Really Be Holy ?

    We crossed wires. But yes, God has a dwelling place because he is not Jesus even though Jesus is God, its Jesus the Son, The Holy Spirit and God the Father. Jesus was seen by Moses, the Burning bush, he was I am that I am. Remember Jesus told the Pharisees that Abraham has seen him the I Am that I Am. But God could not be looked upon by Moses. God dwelling in the temple is still the holy of hollies. But god forsook Israel, he will of course come back when they repent and dwell with them. I think you just look at the relationship between God and Israel and only see Jesus, but Jesus will be in Heaven marrying the Lamb. God Himself shows up to protect Israel, hes the Eagles Wings of Rev. chapter 12. Its semantics, and you really have to do an in depth study on the differences. No bigee.
  15. Will The " Holy Place " Really Be Holy ?

    Yes you can still have a Temple of God, Jesus isn't lying. Neither is Paul who says he will stand in the most Holy Place. You seem to confuse the Church and Israel like a lot of people do. The Church will be in Heaven, the Temple of God will be built again before Israel repents, once Israel repent the Temple is cleansed. The Little Horn defiling the Temple is shown in Daniel ch. 8. Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation (Abomination of Desolation), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Verse 14 is wrong, the word should not be day, in the Hebrew text there are TWO WORDS there hence we get two numbers in STRONG'S when checking it. The Hebrew word EREB (6153) means DUSK and the Hebrew word BOQER (1242) means MORNING so we have 1150 Days or 2300 Evenings and Mornings. Not 2300 Days !! This fits into Gods time frame of 1260 Days that the Beast troddens under foot the holy place just as Rev. ch. 11 says. God deals with Israel in a whole different manner than with us. God Himself is the Husband of Israel, Jesus is married to the Church. You do understand that God still can not be looked on lest men would die. Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God bit the Father has the FULLNESS OF THE GLORY !!