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  1. It could, but the burning of weapons wouldn't be good or the environment, I just assume when Jesus returns he wants to clean up the nasty earth. Of course this could just be metaphorhical in nature. I assume they are burning Nukes, I would the ssume Jesus would just speak them into oblivion, the waste is very toxic. Yes, the world under Jesus will be unlike under Satan. Like I said, these timing issues are complicated. But we do know the Gog/Magog war of Revelation comes a 1000 years after Jesus takes over, so either its a different war than Ezekiel 38 & 39 or the Ezekiel war happens after Jesus reigns for 1000 years, IMHO.
  2. It's the Second Coming brother. The Rapture is in verses 36-51, remember, Matthew was not given the understanding so naturally he has it out of order. He thinks it all goes together at the very end. Notice, we are gathered from the Four Corners of Heaven, from one end of Heaven to the other. Rev. 19 says we come back with Jesus, which you have cited.
  3. They also miss the Trumpet Plagues being 1/3 and the Vial Plagues beng more severe in all things, thus it seems during the Vial Plagues the Kingdom of the Beast goes pitch black or total darkness. The reason for the 1/3 darkness is all the grasses burn and 1/3 of all the trees burn. The bottomless pit is opened at the 1st Woe and continual smoke arises !! It is literal darkness caused by smoke. I agree if its speaking of the Rev. 6 Sun and the Moon which I think Joel is referring to, it is saying that IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those Days [the days that Joel say starts with or is most recognized by this sun and moon event} and THEN.....After the Tribulation of those days [which last 1260 days] Jesus will return. Daniel 12 says the exact same thing, after the power of the children of Israel has been broken, there will be 1260 days until all these Wonders End {Second Coming of Jesus}. Matt. 24:31 is the Second Coming, Matt. 24:36-51 is the Rapture, they are not the same event.
  4. Hello brother, just a few questions/points to ponder. Where is Israel's immediate neighbors at in this Gog & Magog war ? Here is how they are listed. Ezekiel 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 4.......... 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. So Russia is joined by Iran, Turkey, by much of North Africa {seeing as Put was actually not only Libya but Tunisia and parts of Algeria}. None of Israel's immediate neighbors is mentioned, not even Egypt. Not one nation mentioned has a border with Israel, so there must be another war {Psalm 83 War} that comes before this War of Gog and Magog. Israel must defeat them first, after they no doubt attack Israel, but they are no doubt put in their place. 1.) The war of Israeli Extermination {Psalm 83} Psalm 83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. The Nations mentioned add up to these, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Gaza. The second part of the chapter is a Prayer for victory, we are not told specifically who wins the war. But other scriptures tells us who wins. Zechariah 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. This is why Israel can live without WALLS brother in these End Times, she defeats all of her surrounding neighbors, who no doubt try to annihilate Israel, but it backfires on them. The rest of the Muslim nations get angry and start bellyaching to Russia who then comes after them, along with Turkey, much of North Africa and Iran. God defeats them. So I don't think the Gog Magog War of Ezekiel is the same as the one in Revelation which comes after Jesus' 1000 year reign, nor is it the Armageddon War. I think this sets up the Anti-Christ to move in and make his peace, Israel are said to BURN WEAPONS for 7 Years after this Gog & Magog War....Here is where we have to think....If Jesus is in control He just cleans all the world up via the power of his Spoken Word. If it was not at least 3.5 years before the 70th Week Tribulation then the last 3.5 years of burning their weapons would be under the Ari-Christ, and I don't think that would work out in reality, he wouldn't allow them to do anything. Its convoluted no doubt, but there are enough MARKERS that we can get a general idea of what is and what is not possible. One thing we know, God is going to defeat the Wicked. Amen.
  5. The 70 Weeks was a Prophesy of Jeremiah, Gabriel explained that since Israel not only didn't repent, but kept sinning, with many Jews wanting to remain in Babylon thus their hearts were pro Babylon, so God via Gabriel explained their punishment was now 7 fold, or 70 weeks {years} times 7. Daniel reads Jeremiah Daniel 9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans; 2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. Jeremiah's Prophecy in chapter 25 11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. 12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the Lord, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations. So Daniel is reading Jeremiah's Prophecy and starts praying for his countrymen, Israel, and Gabriel comes forth to explain that Israel's punishment is not 70 years {weeks} now, but 70 x 7, or 490 years, or 70 weeks of 7 years. Gabriel explains Jeremiah's Prophecy unto Daniel Dan. 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. So its not a vision, God is explaining His Punishment on Israel because Daniel has put forth his prayer to heal and restore Israel. God was explaining the Jeremiah Prophecy and why it was now 7 times the original punishment.
  6. Good thought brother, but I think the smoke of the Trees and Grasses burning dim the light by a 1/3. The Trumpets are a warning of a certain proportion. The Vials are the climax and the Judgments are thus in full. I think its fairly obvious Jesus' original plan shortens the life that the Anti-Christ would lead under normal worldly circumstances. None of Gods plans will need to be changed.
  7. I missed nothing, this is countering your notion that he Pharisees were "WRONG" on everything, they weren't, Jesus told his disciples to listen t what they said, but not follow what they did. So they indeed missed that Christ was the Son of God, as did most of Israel, they were looking for a Political Conquering Hero, they missed the Suffering Servant. To say they were wrong on everything, would be to say Jesus misled his disciples however. You seem to go to the extreme on your understanding of that issue. They were brilliant men, as was Einstein, however there is but one way unto God, and that is by Faith. Nicodemus was close.
  8. They weren't WRONG per se about Rome being the Fourth Beast, if the Jews had not rejected Christ there would have been no inserted Church Age. So they were right about the signs pointing to 70 AD, they problem is they couldn't read the signs of the Suffering Servant, all they saw was a Conquering Hero. I have never read much about them collectively, but the fact is you yourself misread the bible as they did in some instances. The Jews were blinded because of their rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. We all see darkly, the difference is Jesus called them Devils, meaning they were of Satan in that they did not understand Righteousness only comes from God by Faith, they thought their "ACTIONS" made them worthy via the Law !! Satan thought he was more worthy than God. Its a fatal flaw.
  9. I have said my piece, I don't chew my gum twice. No use reading what you wrote so I shall not reply, you start of saying the Seals were opened 2000 years ago and we are supposed to carry on a conversation, there is no there there brother, God Bless. I don't keep going over the same non issue over and over again, it's just a waste of time for us to debate it.
  10. That is just not the case, Jesus halts the Anti-Christs NATURAL ORDER of events via his Supernatural Return. The Woman {Israel} stays in hiding for 1260 days. The Troubles thus last for 1260 days. The 7th Vial ends the Beasts reign on the 1260 day of his reign. You break the law of Ocamms Razor with every post, you make things tat are simply, convoluted. All will know when he comes, they will not know the day of the Pre Trib Rapture. Rev. 17 and 18 are Parenthetical Citations, they both start at the Mid-way point with the opening of the First Seal, chapter 17 is the Harlot getting judged by the 10 Kings & the Beast, they kill of all Religions thus All False Religions are JUDGED. Rev. 18 is Babylon {The Whole World} getting Judged by God via the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments. He comes in Rev. 16, IT IS DONE, Jesus lads on Mt. Zion. You will never get it until you get the Chronological Order of the BoR right. Rev. 6, 7, 8, 9, 15&16 is the order of ALL of the last 1260 days of the 70th Week. Rev. 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and 19 are not a part of the Chronology per se. Chapters, 12, 13, 17, and 18 all start with the First Seal/Anti-Christ being released. Rev. 14 and 19 both cover the full 7 year period. Rev. 14 shows the Rapture in verse 14, and the Wheat {Israel} and the Wicked Tares in the Winepress, growing together until the end where Jesus lands on Mt. Zion, saves the Jews {144,000 is Millions of Jews} and DESTROYS the Wicked at Armageddon. Rev. is the Pre Trib Raptured Church Marrying Jesus, the RETURNING with him to Armageddon, it covers the full 7 years. Rev. 11 is about the Two-witnesses Ministry/1260 days of witnessing. NOTHING ELSE, They show up BEFORE the Beast comes to power and thus DIE BEFORE he dies....they die at the 2nd Woe, the Beast dies at the 7th Vial. The Two-witnesses turn the Jews who repent back unto God. So you don't get the order of the BoR brother. You actually think Rev. 17 and 18 are REAL TIME EVENTS....they are not.
  11. What's amazing is you don't grasp the word of God. The translation or the KJV seems to trip you up. Then you also fail to use logic. You thinking God has to change His original plans boggles my mind brother. God DESIGNS EVERYTHING in Revelation, WITH REASON, around two 1260 Day Periods, and you think God Shortens it, thereby throwing out of whack all his signals unto us. It obvious what was meant, Jesus by returning will SHORTEN the Troubles that the Anti-Christ is bringing upon all mankind, by killing him, and delivering the Jews in Petra/Bozrah. If what you were saying is true, why didn't God just plan the timing right to start with ? He knows all things ? It make no sense that God would make plans then SHORTEN THEM !! God Shortens the troubles by killing the Anti-Christ before he would die if God/Jesus didn't intervene. You are kind of like Douggg who used to be on this site, once he gets something in his head, it is not ever going to change. Well, that stops God from correcting us, and we all need His guidance. The Troubles don't stop, the Jews are in Petra hiding from the Beast for 1260 Days. Nothing you put forth ever fits the rest of the bible brother, everything has to fit together. God Bless.
  12. Let's add in Matt. 24's version to better get the gist of the timing. Matt. 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. So it's the Coming of the Son of man {Jesus}, the only question is what's the timing right ? Right all ? Well as my brother hints, there will be no partying, drinking or normalcy going on during the Seals, Trumpets or especially the Vials which happen just before the Second Coming of Jesus, so all of these things must happen at the Rapture, one is taken and one is left. Those left will indeed go through hell on earth, no matter who you are, your plight is determined at that very moment, whether you know it or not those left will be killed or cower in fear at the hands of the Anti-Christ in about 3.5 years time, and many will take the Mark of the Beast. So when the Rapture happens, though they don't know it, the "rains" have started. Those Children of the Light {Church} will not go through the Darkness because we are of the Light {Christ} not of Darkness {Satan}. We will be Raptured to Heaven to Marry the Lamb. That is the only moment in time it could be talking about, it can't be talking about the Second Coming. It's either the Rapture {Pre trib} or nothing.
  13. For starters. God SHORTENS NOTHING He has decreed the Days of Trouble as being 1260 days by my take, or half of the 70th week. Jesus stated those days will be shortened, which only means Jesus/God has predetermined the number of days BEFORE they made their original plans, they are all knowing, they don't have to change their plans !! This drives me batty that people go down this rabbit hole. Jesus' 2nd Coming will SHORTEN the Days of Troubles to 1260 days, IF Jesus decided to return 3 or 4 years later, no man/men would be left on earth. He is not going to SHORTEN His plan. His PLAN is going to shorten the TROUBLES. By not understanding the timing of the Seals you have no shot brother at getting the timing of the Abomination of Desolation correct in juxtaposition to the book of Revelation {BoR}. The first Six Seals are all opened instantaneously one after the other, the first four seals are the Anti-Christ and his 42 months of terror on mankind, the 5th seal shows the barbaric results of those 42 months on the Faithful, and the Sixth Seal is God's Supernatural Announcement that Judgment is on the way, all Six Seals are opened at once basically, because the First 5 are showing what the reign of the Anti-Christ will bring forth, the Sixth Seal thus is opened at on the 1260, just like the other 5 are opened on the 1260, when the Children of Israel are DEFEATED/Conquered or lose their Power. Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. So from the time the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel, there will be a time, times and half and Rev. 12 says this time, times and half once like that and once via the number 1260, so we know it is 1260 days from the time Israel/Jerusalem is conquered until the Second Coming of Jesus ends all these things/wonders. The Fleeing begins 30 days before the First Seal is opened, the Abomination of Desolation is a SIGN to the Jews who have Repented to Flee Judea, because the Beast will Conquer Jerusalem in 30 days. Thus you have 30 days to make it to the Petra/Bozrah area of protection before the Anti-Christ is RELEASED by my {God's} First Seal. It always bugged me to think God would allow the Anti-Christ to Conquer Jerusalem, then tell them to Flee, God's planing is much better than ours of course, and thus why wait until Jerusalem/Jews are Conquered to give a sign. That is when I saw in Daniel 12 it was us humans misreading the timing of the signs, God's plan was perfect, it gave the Jews who REPENTED, thus believed Jesus' words/warning, 30 days to Flee Judea. Just like the 1260 days is a set number of days from the day the Jews are Conquered until the Second Coming ends these wonders, verse 11 says the same thing about the AoD, but Jesus {Man in Linen} says it will be 1290 days until all these wonders cease {Second Coming}, we know this because in verse 8 Daniel asks when will these things end ? Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. So if the Daily is taken away 30 Days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem, and the Abomination is placed in the Temple at the same time, who allows this ? Well the High Priest {False Prophet} does, hes incensed that 1/3 of the Jews have accepted Jesus Christ {like Malachi 4:5 says will happen BEFORE the DOTL/Midway point} and thus he stops the Worshiping of Jesus in the Temple of God, REMEMBER, Daniel sees the Daily as a PRAYER unto God, an Oblation or Tribute unto God, if a Meat Sacrifice can be offered that's all good, but the tribute or acknowledgment of God is the main thing to God, He desires obedience OVER sacrifice. Well Daniel is just giving us what Gabriel is relaying unto him, the DAILY that will be taken away is/was a Sacrifice, it will be the False Prophet barring the worshipping of Jesus Christ in the Temple of God !! Amen, if the Jews have repented, they will be serving Jesus Christ, at least 1/3 will, the 2/3 who refuse are probably atheistic anyway, worldly people or some intrinsic {in the Law} Jews like the False Prophet. Dan. 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God; 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. We know the False Prophet places the Image of the Beast in the Temple of God. Rev. 13:13 And he {False Prophet} doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. The False Prophet defiles the Temple, by stopping the worship of Jesus and by placing an Image of the E.U. President in the Temple. The False Prophet is like unto Jason who under Antiochus Epiphanes tried to get the Jews to Hellenize themselves or become like unto the Greeks/THE WORLD in other words. So the Jews REPENT BEFORE the Day of the Lord {First Seal is opened}, and thus it matches Malachi 4:5 that says Elijah will be sent to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the Great and TERRIBLE Day of the Lord !! Thus the 1335 is the Two-witnesses, a BLESSING, Amen. It happens 45 days before the 1290 and 75 days before the 1260.
  14. I learned to not hold on to my understandings, it's the death knell for a guy called unto Prophecy to get too dialed in on points of view, especially from single or few verses. Everything has to fit the big mosaic overall. The most important number in all of Prophecy is the 126o, God designed everything in the End Time around the Middle of the Week {MoW}. The Little Horn reneges in the MoW, the Seals are opened in the MoW, Gods Wrath is released in the MoW, the Day of the Lord starts in the MoW, it lasts for 126o days PLUS 1000 years. The DOTL is the Day Jesus Christ starts taking back the earth's deed from Satan, its the Day of Gods Wrath that leads to the 1000 year reign. The Two Witnesses Ministry is 126o days, not because it parallels with the Beasts timeline, but so we can juxtapose it against the Beasts timeline. Malachi 4:5 tells us that Elijah {2 witnesses} show up BEFORE the DOTL, and we know the 2 Witnesses die BEFORE the Beast, so God therefore has provided us with all the answers via a 126o timeline !! The 2 Witnesses show up BEFORE the Beast and Die BEFORE the Beast dies also. The Woman Flees for 126o days also, Satan chases after her for 126o days. Which is why designing ones eschatology around one verse is bad hermeneutical principles, it just not the way God shows us things.
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