Who is the Little Horn of Daniel 8? Can this be linked with the Little Horn in Daniel 7?

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi Light,

Yes, I do agree. The Antichrist is a man, ie: human.

I think you have already stated that the Beast, the Little Horn and the Antichrist are all the same person. I also agree. 

The Antichrist is a man, but he is also a DEMON:

"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come out of the abyss and go to destruction"...Rev 17:8

Here we see that the beast comes up out of the abyss..... which is a holding area for demons. 

From the same passage, we see that the beast is also an earthly king:

" I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having 7 heads and 10 horns....the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, and they are 7 kings"...Rev 17:3, 9-10

This proves the multi-plex nature of the beast; its heads are 2 things at once: "the 7 heads are 7 mountains and 7 kings"

I know... someone is going to say..." Why does the beast exhibit the same exact 7 heads as Satan if the beast itself is only one of the heads? Simple: The beast incorporates all of Satan's previous kingdoms (heads) into one.

So....the beast is a human ruler: the antichrist

And a political empire.... a king with a kingdom

And a spiritual demonic being...an Archon

It would take quite a few pages to unpack this, but I think if you look at Dan and Rev... you will see this 3-part nature.

 

Joe, if you do not mind, would you respond to my questions recently posed to Light above ASSUMING Revelation has yet to be written?

Just reading Daniel. Thank you, Charlie 

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Oh, that is right! I went back maybe 8pages and re-read your post... 

So you are saying the beast, the little horn and the AC are all the same person? 

Please stay with me here and if you will, do not leave Daniel (consider you are sitting next to Paul during one of his teachings). Revelation is still some time later -not written. 

Who is the beast in Daniel 7?

Who is the little horn in Daniel 7 & 8? (this guy comes OUT of the beast).

Remember, no mention of the AC in the OT...

Thanks, Charlie 

Scripture is very clear, Daniel describes the horn thats speaking as the beast, simple, clear, easy to understand

Daniel 7:11AKJV

7 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by truth7t7

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Oh, that is right! I went back maybe 8pages and re-read your post... 

So you are saying the beast, the little horn and the AC are all the same person? 

Hi Charlie, Yes, they are the same person.

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Please stay with me here and if you will, do not leave Daniel (consider you are sitting next to Paul during one of his teachings). Revelation is still some time later -not written. 

Who is the beast in Daniel 7?

If I'm following you correctly, it is a ten king, world empire, which is ruled by Antichrist.

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Who is the little horn in Daniel 7 & 8? (this guy comes OUT of the beast).

The little horn in Daniel 7 and 8 is the Antichrist.

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Remember, no mention of the AC in the OT...

Thanks, Charlie 

The word Antichrist may not be in the Old Testament, but he is certainly there, identified as the king of Babylon and the Assyrian.

Scripture clearly tells us EXACTLY who the Antichrist is. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by The Light

[truth7t7]

12 minutes ago, The Light said:

Hi Charlie, Yes, they are the same person.

If I'm following you correctly, it is a ten king, world empire, which is ruled by Antichrist.

The little horn in Daniel 7 and 8 is the Antichrist.

The word Antichrist may not be in the Old Testament, but he is certainly there, identified as the king of Babylon and the Assyrian.

Scripture clearly tells us EXACTLY who the Antichrist is. 

Do you believe the little horn of Daniel has been historically fulfilled, please explain?

Daniel 7:9-11 fulfilled?

Daniel 9:27 fulfilled?

Edited December 22, 2021 by truth7t7

[The Light]

42 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Do you believe the little horn of Daniel has been historically fulfilled, please explain?

Daniel 7:9-11 fulfilled?

Daniel 9:27 fulfilled?

Not even the slightest chance that either are fulfilled.

[truth7t7]

8 minutes ago, The Light said:

Not even the slightest chance that either are fulfilled.

We Agree!

[adamjedgar]

14 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

We Agree

 antichrist could not possibly have come yet as Antiochus Epiphanes?

The antichrist is not yet revealed in Daniel...he doesn't reveal himself until near the end of time.

You all believe he already exists...he is a sentient being...how then can he be human?

Clearly he is not human because if he is, the he is almost 3000 years old!

It is impossible for the A/C to be a man (or women).

Can a human be a representative or the way in which he manifests himself...absolutely. 

Could he posses a human to achieve that goal...I suppose he could...but one would have to also ask, does he need to?

Edited December 22, 2021 by adamjedgar

[truth7t7]

5 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

Then how can the antichrist have come yet?

The antichrist is not yet revealed in Daniel...he doesn't reveal himself until near the end of time.

You all believe he already exists...he is a sentient being...how then can he be human?

Clearly he is not human because if he is, the he is almost 3000 years old!

It is impossible for the A/C to be a man (or women).

Can a human be a representative or the way in which he manifests himself...absolutely. 

Could he posses a human to achieve that goal...I suppose he could...but one would have to also ask, does he need to?

Thanks for the response and dialogue

Adam, I believe scripture clearly teaches Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) are all the very same "Future" human man, I believe scripture teaches he will be revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God returned

Scripture clearly teaches in Daniel 7:9-11 that this figure has a body and will be present at the second coming and final judgement, as does 2 Thessalonians 2:3-11, as does Revelation 19:19-20

Revelation chapter 13 describes this man with personal pronouns He, His, Him, a human man

Jesus Is The Lord

[Charlie744]

24 minutes ago, The Light said:

Not even the slightest chance that either are fulfilled.

The beast is the same as the 4th kingdom in chapter 2. Just as with the other kingdoms each kingdom in 2 is the same kingdom in 7 & 8.

In 7 there is a:

1) beast, 

2) out of this beast comes 10 horns,

3) then another little horn comes out of the beast but has eyes like a man.

Three separate entities- can not possibly be the same.

The little horn is the little horn- no mention he is the AC (which is why I asked to consider Daniel ONLY), and not bring in this AC figure that is mentioned in Revelation. 

Regarding 9:27- the ‘he’ is ‘He’, the Messiah- this misinterpretation was the work of the same little horn (RCC). 

[adamjedgar]

6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Thanks for the response and dialogue

Adam, I believe scripture clearly teaches Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) are all the very same "Future" human man, I believe scripture teaches he will be revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God returned

Scripture clearly teaches in Daniel 7:9-11 that this figure has a body and will be present at the second coming and final judgement, as does 2 Thessalonians 2:3-11, as does Revelation 19:19-20

Revelation chapter 13 describes this man with personal pronouns He, His, Him, a human man

Jesus Is The Lord

Yes good thoughts, however, there is a fundamental problem with your interpretation that needs clarifying...God is described using those same words throughout the Bible (He, Him, I Am, etc) and yet there is strong debate over whether or not he has a body like ours ( most claim he is spirit).

So that is not an argument in favour of the A/C being human. What it does describe is the way he manifests or reveals himself.

The bottom line...the A/C is Satan himself. This is the Bible teaching...I think we are arguing over scraps here. I think we all agree Satan is top dog of the future A/C narrative.

Edited December 22, 2021 by adamjedgar