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munari Posted August 14, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 444 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2003 YOD, You ARE one of them, we all are... well, at least potentially we could be. None of us knows our future, and anyone of us could reach a point in our lives where we say, "That's it God, I've had it. What have you really done for me" and then turn our back on Him. That's why daily conversion is so important. Recommitting yourself to Christ everyday so that you will finish the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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munari Posted August 14, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 444 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2003 If that means that a person could not receive repentance after turning away from God, even Peter would not be in heaven because he denied Christ. Anyone who has accepted God in their lives would be utterly rejected when they committed a sin. I think this verse, Hebrews 6:4 is speaking more about those who teach and those who reject the traditions he describes in verses 1 & 2. I think he is speaking more about those who are apostate, those who decide I don't need to do it the way the Church is teaching, but I can do it my own way. They are laying a new foundation (v. 1) and hence, are recrucifying Christ because they are reinventing the wheel. They are saying it wasn't good enough the first time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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munari Posted August 14, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 444 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2003 Yes, you are absolutely right about Peter, that is different. As far as my interpretation on those verses, where do you think it does not jibe with the Scriptures? Let me quote the section without the Chapter break, which I think in this case hurts understanding of this part of scripture. Chapter 5 really flows into 6 as if it is just one sentence after another, as the original is: Hebrews 5:11 About this we have much to say, and it is difficult to explain, for you have become sluggish in hearing. 12 Although you should be teachers by this time, you need to have someone teach you again the basic elements of the utterances of God. You need milk, (and) not solid food. 13 Everyone who lives on milk lacks experience of the word of righteousness, for he is a child. 14 But solid food is for the mature, for those whose faculties are trained by practice to discern good and evil. 6:1 Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3 And we shall do this, if only God permits. 4 For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift and shared in the holy Spirit 5 and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to bring them to repentance again, since they are recrucifying the Son of God for themselves and holding him up to contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anonymous Posted August 14, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,550 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/15/1943 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I found this article, thought maybe it might be useful to the discussion ..... WHAT IS THE UNPARDONABLE SIN? ******************************* Who is guilty of committing it...? I. ITS GENERAL CHARACTER- (1.) There is such a sin which is unpardonable. (2.) It is an open sin, not a sin merely of the heart. It is blasphemy. It requires to be uttered and carried out in act. (3.) It is directed against the Holy Ghost, specifically. It terminates on him. It consists in blaspheming him, or doing nevertheless unto him. II. ITS SPECIFIC CHARACTER- This includes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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munari Posted August 15, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 444 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2003 YOD, Yes, the Corinthians were pretty bad, but the letter I quoted was to the Hebrews. The Hebrews had known God for about 4000 years, so they should have known better... even though their history shows otherwise. The Corinthians though, being Gentiles and pagans, were used to "loose living". This was something they did and didn't really think much of it. Their culpability for those sins would not be as great yet because they were yet children, they didn't really know better. The Hebrews though, being 4000 years old, had known God for quite some time. I think you're looking for too much in there. I know my interpretation is kind of scary, but I think its pretty accurate. It throws away the notion of OSAS and tells us any of us, even those who think they're saved, can still fall from God. It tells us that there is a single visible Church. But I think those things are true, no matter how comfortable they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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